Claudio Ranieri (54 Viewers)

[Snoop]

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Ranieri is the coach for Juve or that we should not think about another coach for next season. All what I am saying is people here are talking shit about him and about his formations. I do agree he chickens in many conditions. He is not very creative. But lets think about it, who should he play as a LB when we don't have CBs and even our LB who was playing as a CB got injured? I know Molinaro SUCK, but who could he play instead? Nocerino, he is a proper fighter. He wins balls. But he is a terrible passer. Who should we play instead of him? Taigo? Who chocked in almost every match he played? or Almiron who played more than Tiago just to prove he is not any better? Then we were hit by the injury of both camoranesi and Marcchioni who will play as a RM? he tried Nocerino but he sucked there so he kept him in the middle and put Brazzo there, who wasn't brilliant but was the best possible solution. Then he opt to play Palladino there.
And its not also like we can play with different formations alot. There are many times where Iaquinta was not ready to play or Del Piero is tired, or Nedved is suspended. I beleive Ranieri had to do alot of tough deicions this season.

I do agree he is enjoying the press attention very much, too much to be precise. But besides that, I think he was cut short due to injuries. I personally had high hopes on Almiron, who really disappointed me.

I raise the question, do you think if Capello was coaching us this season with this formation we would have done much better than under the Ranieri command? Because the last time I checked we weren't really that impressive techincally under his command with a much better squad (+ age of common players).

So you are saying we don't have a squad depth? Why he didn't ask to buy other players? why did he ask the board to spend another 13 Million euros on another defensive midfielder? Why he didn't ask to sign a replacement for Molinaro?? why he doesn't play Chiellini at left? will he play Chiellini at left? why he refused to sign Van der vaart or Diego? why did he asked Almiron out, or to go on loan? Why did he asked Tiago to stay if he won't play him? Why did he let Criscito and De Ceglie to go out on loan if we lack squad depth? Why he didn't buy a defender?

Ask yourself these questions before you claim something like "people talk shit when they criticize Ranieri"..

You don't want him to stay for another season, yet you are arguing with members who are criticizing him, this is the thing I can't understand..

 

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[Amaurisimo]

I have a question for you Lampard. Do you enjoy doing well in the league but not ever winning anything? I mean, taking into consideration your history and all, I was just wondering.

Of course that i would not enjoy , what a question , but not relevant at the moment. If we get 2-3 great players this summer, we must win the league not only do well, otherwise heads must go...

 

[Amaurisimo]

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Ranieri is the coach for Juve or that we should not think about another coach for next season. All what I am saying is people here are talking shit about him and about his formations. I do agree he chickens in many conditions. He is not very creative. But lets think about it, who should he play as a LB when we don't have CBs and even our LB who was playing as a CB got injured? I know Molinaro SUCK, but who could he play instead? Nocerino, he is a proper fighter. He wins balls. But he is a terrible passer. Who should we play instead of him? Taigo? Who chocked in almost every match he played? or Almiron who played more than Tiago just to prove he is not any better? Then we were hit by the injury of both camoranesi and Marcchioni who will play as a RM? he tried Nocerino but he sucked there so he kept him in the middle and put Brazzo there, who wasn't brilliant but was the best possible solution. Then he opt to play Palladino there.
And its not also like we can play with different formations alot. There are many times where Iaquinta was not ready to play or Del Piero is tired, or Nedved is suspended. I beleive Ranieri had to do alot of tough deicions this season.

I do agree he is enjoying the press attention very much, too much to be precise. But besides that, I think he was cut short due to injuries. I personally had high hopes on Almiron, who really disappointed me.

I raise the question, do you think if Capello was coaching us this season with this formation we would have done much better than under the Ranieri command? Because the last time I checked we weren't really that impressive techincally under his command with a much better squad (+ age of common players).

there are the reasons why you are star + Rep :scarf:

 

[Amaurisimo]

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Ranieri is the coach for Juve or that we should not think about another coach for next season. All what I am saying is people here are talking shit about him and about his formations. I do agree he chickens in many conditions. He is not very creative. But lets think about it, who should he play as a LB when we don't have CBs and even our LB who was playing as a CB got injured? I know Molinaro SUCK, but who could he play instead? Nocerino, he is a proper fighter. He wins balls. But he is a terrible passer. Who should we play instead of him? Taigo? Who chocked in almost every match he played? or Almiron who played more than Tiago just to prove he is not any better? Then we were hit by the injury of both camoranesi and Marcchioni who will play as a RM? he tried Nocerino but he sucked there so he kept him in the middle and put Brazzo there, who wasn't brilliant but was the best possible solution. Then he opt to play Palladino there.
And its not also like we can play with different formations alot. There are many times where Iaquinta was not ready to play or Del Piero is tired, or Nedved is suspended. I beleive Ranieri had to do alot of tough deicions this season.

I do agree he is enjoying the press attention very much, too much to be precise. But besides that, I think he was cut short due to injuries. I personally had high hopes on Almiron, who really disappointed me.

I raise the question, do you think if Capello was coaching us this season with this formation we would have done much better than under the Ranieri command? Because the last time I checked we weren't really that impressive techincally under his command with a much better squad (+ age of common players).

So you are saying we don't have a squad depth? Why he didn't ask to buy other players? why did he ask the board to spend another 13 Million euros on another defensive midfielder? Why he didn't ask to sign a replacement for Molinaro?? why he doesn't play Chiellini at left? will he play Chiellini at left? why he refused to sign Van der vaart or Diego? why did he asked Almiron out, or to go on loan? Why did he asked Tiago to stay if he won't play him? Why did he let Criscito and De Ceglie to go out on loan if we lack squad depth? Why he didn't buy a defender?

Ask yourself these questions before you claim something like "people talk shit when they criticize Ranieri"..

You don't want him to stay for another season, yet you are arguing with members who are criticizing him, this is the thing I can't understand..

vSnoop, I think for the first time ever we have full squad and depth as we can call it. And for the first time , coach has option of playing Chiellini at the left. Maybe de Ceglie is set for his return from Siena and that could be likely the reason why we did not get anyone as LB. Maybe Chiellini was set before to play as LB but due to injury of Andrade, coach set him as CB instead. Also in regards to VDV or Diego, i don't think that anyone would gave up so easily on them , but most probably reason for this, its money. And yes, he bought defender from epl , and u know whom and for how much..Its a shame about it, but, it points to our board and luck of funds. That is all.
As they say more money - more music , or something along those lines..
including the coach thing

 

[jukazem]

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Ranieri is the coach for Juve or that we should not think about another coach for next season. All what I am saying is people here are talking shit about him and about his formations. I do agree he chickens in many conditions. He is not very creative. But lets think about it, who should he play as a LB when we don't have CBs and even our LB who was playing as a CB got injured? I know Molinaro SUCK, but who could he play instead? Nocerino, he is a proper fighter. He wins balls. But he is a terrible passer. Who should we play instead of him? Taigo? Who chocked in almost every match he played? or Almiron who played more than Tiago just to prove he is not any better? Then we were hit by the injury of both camoranesi and Marcchioni who will play as a RM? he tried Nocerino but he sucked there so he kept him in the middle and put Brazzo there, who wasn't brilliant but was the best possible solution. Then he opt to play Palladino there.
And its not also like we can play with different formations alot. There are many times where Iaquinta was not ready to play or Del Piero is tired, or Nedved is suspended. I beleive Ranieri had to do alot of tough deicions this season.

I do agree he is enjoying the press attention very much, too much to be precise. But besides that, I think he was cut short due to injuries. I personally had high hopes on Almiron, who really disappointed me.

I raise the question, do you think if Capello was coaching us this season with this formation we would have done much better than under the Ranieri command? Because the last time I checked we weren't really that impressive techincally under his command with a much better squad (+ age of common players).

Nocerino is wins balls but can't pass? so ranieri replaced him with sissoko. are you telling me sissoko is a great passer?
Molinaro sucks? he could bring de cegli in the winter or buy someone with the fund he wasted on sissucko.
To solve the RM proble during the injury crisis, first he played nocerino, then brazzo and then paladino. he is doing trial and error. why not play palladino at first?
and then he buys mellberg. well mellberg is free but i wonder why no other english club wanted him for free, even as a reserve. first sissoko and then mellberg. his knowledge is limited to epl clubs. i wonder if he is making a point to the epl clubs that he wants to go there next summer.
I personally would take capello any day over ranieri.

 

[Salvo]

can i ask a question. what kind of fucking coach only plays one fucking formation and doesnt buy players coz they dont fit into his one formation. what a fucking retard!

 

[Franky4Fingers]

Don't wanna ne a bitch, bur Ranieri isn't the one doing te buying and loaning of players. He might have a say in it but he definately isn't the one calling the shots.

So our transfer campaign should not reflect on Ranieri. We never called Lippi a transfer guru did we?

Besides that, I don't we think we have a much better squad then Milan or Fiorentina, so he is actually performing above standard. And yes, I know Milan and Fiore are performing below standard...

 

[Amaurisimo]

can i ask a question. what kind of fucking coach only plays one fucking formation and doesnt buy players coz they dont fit into his one formation. what a fucking retard!

that fucking coach plays formation depending on available players, of other team probable formation, and also depending on our substitutes/next game etc.

last game against Roma he played 433 but mainly cos he did not have much choice. He plays with lest risk aiming at top 3-4 positions. That's all.

I want us to play more attacking football as well, but defensively incl. midfield we have to improve. This week he has full squad, maybe today is the day..

 

[Salvo]

well i am saying this coz all he seems to wanna do is play 4-4-2, which is clearly not doing us any favours, we all say he is buyin CDM coz of the defence but dont we have enough? next year the only way we will buy any 1 is if ranieri is gone!

 

[Dostoevsky]

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Ranieri is the coach for Juve or that we should not think about another coach for next season. All what I am saying is people here are talking shit about him and about his formations. I do agree he chickens in many conditions. He is not very creative. But lets think about it, who should he play as a LB when we don't have CBs and even our LB who was playing as a CB got injured? I know Molinaro SUCK, but who could he play instead? Nocerino, he is a proper fighter. He wins balls. But he is a terrible passer. Who should we play instead of him? Taigo? Who chocked in almost every match he played? or Almiron who played more than Tiago just to prove he is not any better? Then we were hit by the injury of both camoranesi and Marcchioni who will play as a RM? he tried Nocerino but he sucked there so he kept him in the middle and put Brazzo there, who wasn't brilliant but was the best possible solution. Then he opt to play Palladino there.
And its not also like we can play with different formations alot. There are many times where Iaquinta was not ready to play or Del Piero is tired, or Nedved is suspended. I beleive Ranieri had to do alot of tough deicions this season.

I do agree he is enjoying the press attention very much, too much to be precise. But besides that, I think he was cut short due to injuries. I personally had high hopes on Almiron, who really disappointed me.

I raise the question, do you think if Capello was coaching us this season with this formation we would have done much better than under the Ranieri command? Because the last time I checked we weren't really that impressive techincally under his command with a much better squad (+ age of common players).

Nocerino was very good DM at the start of the season but he chocked later.Its true we didn`t have many choices who to play instead of him but few times Tiago did play good and he didn`t give him a chance.Almiron didn`t get as much chances as Tiago tho.I don`t know what happed to Almiron since he was fuc*ing great at those pre-season matches.My guess is that Ranieri don`t know how to use him.He was one of the best players in Serie A when he played in Empoi.Ranieri still prefers to have 2 DMs there so he probably didn`t give him a lot of freedom there and creativity.

Again the question is,why does he keeps using 4-4-2?
Back then when we had Boumsong we were still using Molinaro as LB.I am not saying Boumsong is WC defender but it would work a lot better this way

Chiellini-Boumsong-Legro-RB(who ever)

Still as I said I do prefer Chiellini as CB since I think he`s much better at that position but he could do much better job then Molinaro there.
Yet again with our injured AMRs he still used 4-4-2.Camo and Marchionni were injured and he didn`t change formation.He used freaking Nocerino on that side.He can`t pass he can`t cross so can you tell me why did he use him there?If you say we had no other choice he could have tried 4-2-3-1 formation

Nedved-Del Piero-Iaquinta

----Nocerino-Zanetti

I know DP do much better as striker this would work better as we would attack through middle and not use many crosses.Iaquinta plays very good on that palce.He also played there for Italy and he was good.

 

[Ahmed]

can i ask a question. what kind of fucking coach only plays one fucking formation and doesnt buy players coz they dont fit into his one formation. what a fucking retard!

well he hasn't been quoted as saying that so i will reserve my judgement on that for the time being...he did try 4 3 3 against Roma the last time though

 

[Salvo]

thats the only time he has done it, but when he needed to do it he didnt have the balls to do it!

 

[sateeh]

One of the main reasons that i agree with ranieri on the 442 is that we play to Trezi's and Alex's strength. The same would go for camo and Neddy has enough freedom to roam around anyway and is not as "restricted" as the capello days. IMO we lose a lot of our main strikers' strength if we play with the three upfront.

Also another factor to consider is consistency. Many of the goals we have conceded are individual mistakes and not structurally wrong. Constant changing of the formation is not beneficial.

But on the other hand being that rigid especially during games is a big point against him.Variations is important and it something we only saw conservatively from him this season, which was really annoying at times.

 

[Amaurisimo]

One of the main reasons that i agree with ranieri on the 442 is that we play to Trezi's and Alex's strength. The same would go for camo and Neddy has enough freedom to roam around anyway and is not as "restricted" as the capello days. IMO we lose a lot of our main strikers' strength if we play with the three upfront.

Also another factor to consider is consistency. Many of the goals we have conceded are individual mistakes and not structurally wrong. Constant changing of the formation is not beneficial.

But on the other hand being that rigid especially during games is a big point against him.Variations is important and it something we only saw conservatively from him this season, which was really annoying at times.

very true

 

[Bjerknes]

One of the main reasons that i agree with ranieri on the 442 is that we play to Trezi's and Alex's strength.

NOT TRUE. Maybe we play to Trezeguet's strength with long balls up top, but we DO NOT play to Del Piero's strengths with shooting long balls forward all the time.

And besides, we don't play to our strengths when Camoranesi is out and don't have any real wingers left in the side. Just like we don't play to our strengths when we field a player such as Nocerino over Sissoko or Molinaro or De Ceglie.

 

[Bjerknes]

Of course that i would not enjoy , what a question , but not relevant at the moment. If we get 2-3 great players this summer, we must win the league not only do well, otherwise heads must go...

So let me get this straight. You once supported Chelsea during the time of Ranieri, defending him like a god, then become a Juve fan and do the same thing. Sorry, but I just can't take you seriously. You're supporting a loser. Perhaps that's your sort of thing.

 

[Bjerknes]

So you are saying we don't have a squad depth? Why he didn't ask to buy other players? why did he ask the board to spend another 13 Million euros on another defensive midfielder? Why he didn't ask to sign a replacement for Molinaro?? why he doesn't play Chiellini at left? will he play Chiellini at left? why he refused to sign Van der vaart or Diego? why did he asked Almiron out, or to go on loan? Why did he asked Tiago to stay if he won't play him? Why did he let Criscito and De Ceglie to go out on loan if we lack squad depth? Why he didn't buy a defender?

Ask yourself these questions before you claim something like "people talk shit when they criticize Ranieri"..

You don't want him to stay for another season, yet you are arguing with members who are criticizing him, this is the thing I can't understand..

Snoop, don't bother with these people. They probably don't even watch the fucking matches.

 

[Bjerknes]

There is one thing Chelskianieri cannot do: win titles. Get rid of him ASAP.

Good posts by dule and snoop in the past few pages.

 

[Dostoevsky]

vSnoop, I think for the first time ever we have full squad and depth as we can call it. And for the first time , coach has option of playing Chiellini at the left. Maybe de Ceglie is set for his return from Siena and that could be likely the reason why we did not get anyone as LB. Maybe Chiellini was set before to play as LB but due to injury of Andrade, coach set him as CB instead. Also in regards to VDV or Diego, i don't think that anyone would gave up so easily on them , but most probably reason for this, its money. And yes, he bought defender from epl , and u know whom and for how much..Its a shame about it, but, it points to our board and luck of funds. That is all.
As they say more money - more music , or something along those lines..
including the coach thing

Like or not signing Sissoko was the worst move since we`ll ruin some player yet again.At the end of the season if those stupid words are not true and we DO end up with Diego or VDV then what are we going to do?Some players must be sacrificed because Ranieri wanted to sign Sissoko.
Zanetti is so far our best player so will be starter next year probably.So it will be

Zanetti-Diego

Sissoko will be bench.Nocerino will not even get a chance and not to mention Marchisio.I am not saying Sissoko is crap but we could`ve signed some LB for that money don`t you think?

 

[ZAF3000]

So you are saying we don't have a squad depth? Why he didn't ask to buy other players? why did he ask the board to spend another 13 Million euros on another defensive midfielder? Why he didn't ask to sign a replacement for Molinaro?? why he doesn't play Chiellini at left? will he play Chiellini at left? why he refused to sign Van der vaart or Diego? why did he asked Almiron out, or to go on loan? Why did he asked Tiago to stay if he won't play him? Why did he let Criscito and De Ceglie to go out on loan if we lack squad depth? Why he didn't buy a defender?

Ask yourself these questions before you claim something like "people talk shit when they criticize Ranieri"..

You don't want him to stay for another season, yet you are arguing with members who are criticizing him, this is the thing I can't understand..

To tell you the truth I do agree with alot of what you have to say. I never said he is excellent or that he is JUVE level of a coach. But getting him the boat in the middle of the season is the worst call we could even do. Let him finish the season then if you want replace him. I am not a fan of replacing coaches in the middle of the season especially if there is no crisis happening. That is my whole argument.

About buying and selling players, in my opinion 70% of the decision is from the management no Ranieri. I do agree that I didn't like the purchase of Sissoko that much since we need an OM. I also did not fancy the loan of Criscito while we are having a defensive crisis. How much of that was a "Ranieri decision" is somewhat beyond our knowledge.

If indeed he is the main decider in our transfer campaign I would say thank you for your effort but please leave us at the end of the season.

What I respect ALOT about Ranieri is that he is keeping a really positive mentality in the squad, something a sucessful coach like Capello failed to do. He is a coach that is respected by all our players, and this is alone is something good. I am sure that a good deal of keeping a positive mentality in the squad is due to players like Del Piero, Buffon and Nedved, never the less the coach holds a big share himself.

I remember during the Capello periods, there were times when Trezeguet and Del Piero did not celebrate together when scoring a goal, now its back to normal.

I might be wrong, but this is what I think.