Its the same as with pirlo
With inferior players in inferior forms its easyer to stand out
With inferior players in inferior forms its easyer to stand out
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Lol at anyone choosing regista Marchisio over 2011-12 Pirlo. You're either talented at trolling or brain dead, no in-between lol
To be honest though seeing Marchisio holding the ball and passing it around so nonchalantly yesterday really brought me back 5 years to our squad with Pirlo. Cheesio is a different player there sure, but he holds the ball in similar fashion and directs play well, albeit not in such a direct way as Pirlo used to do. Hopefully he only betters with age aswell.
To be honest though seeing Marchisio holding the ball and passing it around so nonchalantly yesterday really brought me back 5 years to our squad with Pirlo. Cheesio is a different player there sure, but he holds the ball in similar fashion and directs play well, albeit not in such a direct way as Pirlo used to do. Hopefully he only betters with age aswell.
I'll stick with Marchisio
Pirlo had freekicks, incredible passing and the ability to introduce 'calm'
Pirlo's snappy turns and twists were neccecary cause he wasnt as quick anymore. Its not like verratti who deliberately does this to break through a layer of defence.
Marchisio also has goddamn great passing and distribution, but not at pirlo's long keypass level
He is an incredibly boost to the players around him
knows how to position to avoid beeing ganged up upon
defensively stallward
The complete package of marchisio is so incredibly good, and the effect he has on the players around him is so gigantic, he'll get my vote.
03-08 Pirlo however. Thats was something else. Best cm since Paul scholes. 'scholes ? Yeah, allmost every star midfielder from his era and after considers him the best cm of the past decades'
Pirlo had freekicks, incredible passing and the ability to introduce 'calm'
Pirlo's snappy turns and twists were neccecary cause he wasnt as quick anymore. Its not like verratti who deliberately does this to break through a layer of defence.
Marchisio also has goddamn great passing and distribution, but not at pirlo's long keypass level
He is an incredibly boost to the players around him
knows how to position to avoid beeing ganged up upon
defensively stallward
The complete package of marchisio is so incredibly good, and the effect he has on the players around him is so gigantic, he'll get my vote.
03-08 Pirlo however. Thats was something else. Best cm since Paul scholes. 'scholes ? Yeah, allmost every star midfielder from his era and after considers him the best cm of the past decades'
MArchisio anyday of the week. at least compared to Juventus ´pirlo?
WHy? because he never needed babysitting. Pirlo depends a whole tactic focused around him and that a big "lets fuck pirlo and proceed to fuck them" sign...which we were pray in the games that mattered the most.
Marchisio doesnt have the passing, free kicks range and vision of Pirlo.. but gets the job done and is defensively reliable, unlike Pirlo.
With marchisio on the field...we can focus more on taking the bulk of the attack and attack to more attacking players around him...instead of havng to have Vidal and Pogba around Pirlo 24/7.
WHy? because he never needed babysitting. Pirlo depends a whole tactic focused around him and that a big "lets fuck pirlo and proceed to fuck them" sign...which we were pray in the games that mattered the most.
Marchisio doesnt have the passing, free kicks range and vision of Pirlo.. but gets the job done and is defensively reliable, unlike Pirlo.
With marchisio on the field...we can focus more on taking the bulk of the attack and attack to more attacking players around him...instead of havng to have Vidal and Pogba around Pirlo 24/7.
Pirlo in his first couple of years was amazing. We shouldn't sell him short. Honestly, I think the issue was when Vidal was his best, the team was very one dimensional (ie: create through Pirlo). Then revenues grew and we could buy players (but Pirlo was in 2014 form, and Vidal was a drunk/injured). Pirlo in 2012 form with today's spending power would be immense.
Imagine....
--------------Higuain---Dybala-----------(I'll say Tevez over Dybala, because I feel like Tevez disappeared less, but Dybala is a whole of a lot younger and will get there.
Sandro-----Marchisio----Vidal------Cuadrado----
-------------------Pirlo--------------------------
--------------C----B-----B---------------------
Imagine....
--------------Higuain---Dybala-----------(I'll say Tevez over Dybala, because I feel like Tevez disappeared less, but Dybala is a whole of a lot younger and will get there.
Sandro-----Marchisio----Vidal------Cuadrado----
-------------------Pirlo--------------------------
--------------C----B-----B---------------------
Hydde with one of the dumbest posts written in this shit hole yet.
It was litterally just few years ago and it's already forgotten how amazing Pirlo was.
Marchisio is a sound and very good player, but any comparison with Pirlo at his best is flat out dumb. It really is, just dishonest.
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It was litterally just few years ago and it's already forgotten how amazing Pirlo was.
Marchisio is a sound and very good player, but any comparison with Pirlo at his best is flat out dumb. It really is, just dishonest.
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Don't get how anyone could rate Marchisio of the last 2 years all that close to 11-12 Pirlo. Pirlo was the clear best midfielder in football that year between undefeated Serie A season and Euro 2012.
Marchisio is a massively underrated player, one of the best CMs in football right now, and was our best CM in 14-15, and through the middle part of last season... but all the same, Pirlo 11-12 was a clear cut above. I don't know that I have seen a regista able to pull the strings of an entire team the way he did.
Passing, playmaking and output wise, there's no comparisons, two different worlds and that's even without considering free kicks. But I don't think those would take Marchisio over Pirlo are saying the former edges out the latter in those aspects, they simply value what Marchisio brings defensively more.
Herpaderp Pirlo was a helpless little old man in 2011-12 and needed the whole team to babysit him since he was so weak and frail. You gotta remember that this is not 2014-15, in the 2012 Euros it was every teams tactic to man mark the shet out of Pirlo and he cucked them all. Kroos' only job in that Euro game was to hold Pirlo and he failed miserably. Besides, his defensive stats were pretty much identical with Marchisio's that season so he held his own perfectly well. And even if he wasn't a defensive starwalt, I'd still take him over regista Marchisio any day of the week purely due to his absolutely insane passing, chance creation, set-pieces and dribbling skills.
Brb arguably the best player of the league in 11-12
Brb without a shred of doubt, the best player of the Juve squad in 11-12
Brb like 13 assists and 3 goals
Brb 3-4 clear goal scoring chances created per match on average
Brb best player of the Euros, carried Italy to the finals
Brb most consistent performer of the whole team
Brb trusted with all set-pieces
Pirlo was an absolute game changer, the whole squad would've crumbled if we didn't have him that season. Marchisio is a silent operator that is dynamic and makes others look good, but isn't one that wins you games directly. If the rest of the team plays a bad game and Marchisio plays well, we lose. If 11-12 Pirlo plays a good game and others play like shet, it's still a victory or a draw due to his genius alone. One simple through ball or a set-piece does it.
And I'm not here to rag on Marchisio (cause I know a lot of you like to label people at the slight hint of a disagreeing opinion) as I love the dude and consider him as one our most, if not THE most important player right now. Just saying that the 11-12 Pirlo was just so so much better it shouldn't even be a discussion. But hey, opinions are opinions, and if you consider the defensive aspects and overall ''well-roundedness'' as more important then I won't argue.
Brb arguably the best player of the league in 11-12
Brb without a shred of doubt, the best player of the Juve squad in 11-12
Brb like 13 assists and 3 goals
Brb 3-4 clear goal scoring chances created per match on average
Brb best player of the Euros, carried Italy to the finals
Brb most consistent performer of the whole team
Brb trusted with all set-pieces
Pirlo was an absolute game changer, the whole squad would've crumbled if we didn't have him that season. Marchisio is a silent operator that is dynamic and makes others look good, but isn't one that wins you games directly. If the rest of the team plays a bad game and Marchisio plays well, we lose. If 11-12 Pirlo plays a good game and others play like shet, it's still a victory or a draw due to his genius alone. One simple through ball or a set-piece does it.
And I'm not here to rag on Marchisio (cause I know a lot of you like to label people at the slight hint of a disagreeing opinion) as I love the dude and consider him as one our most, if not THE most important player right now. Just saying that the 11-12 Pirlo was just so so much better it shouldn't even be a discussion. But hey, opinions are opinions, and if you consider the defensive aspects and overall ''well-roundedness'' as more important then I won't argue.
