In recent weeks he has gone back into his shell, guilty of the same problem I have seen in previous seasons. In games like this one, to do such a thing, to not impose himself in any way on the midfield, when we are facing off against a huge brute in Mayhem Miller’s elder brother Van Bommel, an african mercenary in Muntari and a aggressive, technically gifted Nocerino with a point to prove against his old club…is a sin. And a worrying sign for his future. Its a shame we didn’t get the indonesian warrior in January, for I am sure that it would be Marchisio’s place at threat, and when he goes through patches like this one, he would be benched. Vidal, Pirlo, Nainggolan…
would be incredibly strong. Claudio did try to get involved, but even slow, old man Pirlo showed more strength and determination against the muscle up against us. Very disappointing. 5/10
would be incredibly strong. Claudio did try to get involved, but even slow, old man Pirlo showed more strength and determination against the muscle up against us. Very disappointing. 5/10
'Technically gifted Nocerino'.Did we even watch the same match? Nocerino's first touch seems awful and I did notice once he lost possesion because of it while I can't remember Marchisio did same thing (in fact whoscored.com shows Marchisio only lose the ball once---Nocerino lose thrice and as a comparison Vidal lose seven times)
Marchisio got a CLEAN tackle from behind when Van Bommel (IIRC) almost got thru in front of the box, and there was a moment when he stole the ball from Rubinho two consecutively times in the 2nd half. I don't mean to disrespect Pirlo but can't you even notice that Marchisio shows more running and pressing when the opposition is in possesion?
'Technically gifted Nocerino'.Did we even watch the same match? Nocerino's first touch seems awful and I did notice once he lost possesion because of it while I can't remember Marchisio did same thing (in fact whoscored.com shows Marchisio only lose the ball once---Nocerino lose thrice and as a comparison Vidal lose seven times)
Marchisio got a CLEAN tackle from behind when Van Bommel (IIRC) almost got thru in front of the box, and there was a moment when he stole the ball from Rubinho two consecutively times in the 2nd half. I don't mean to disrespect Pirlo but can't you even notice that Marchisio shows more running and pressing when the opposition is in possesion?
Its more Marchisio's job to run, hustle and stride forward. Pirlo is a regista, but no...These last few weeks I have seen Pirlo do more pressing and tackling and intercepting. Milan can afford to play 3 tough guys in the middle, because their offence is top class. Our nearest like for like would be Vidal, Marrone, Padoin...three players who love to hustle, tackle, cover and run. We cannot do this though, as our attack needs more help to score goals (than Milan's attack).
First of all, technique isn't a sole deciding factor for goalscoring.
2nd, you said Marchisio's job is different from Nocerino yet you compare the two (techniques, goalscoring record).
3rd, you said Marchisio's technique is better and then proceeding with saying Nocerino's technique is solid... so that makes Marchisio's even more solid which is something I'd agree.
4th, a simple fact that our observation differs for Pirlo's pressing compared to Marchisio's mean there's something different of how perceive things which is why I think we won't have an acceptable arguments between us here (but I can say for the fact that whoscored.com's data would agree with me).
2nd, you said Marchisio's job is different from Nocerino yet you compare the two (techniques, goalscoring record).
3rd, you said Marchisio's technique is better and then proceeding with saying Nocerino's technique is solid... so that makes Marchisio's even more solid which is something I'd agree.
4th, a simple fact that our observation differs for Pirlo's pressing compared to Marchisio's mean there's something different of how perceive things which is why I think we won't have an acceptable arguments between us here (but I can say for the fact that whoscored.com's data would agree with me).
It was you who first compared them directly. I didn't. I mentioned the midfield opponents we were facing. There is a difference...between to face and to compare.
My comparison was a response to your comparison. Yes, without a doubt...as i wrote...marchisio is clearly has better technique. I am not looking for an argument, discussion yes.
Who ever said that technique was a sole measure for goalscoring? I was illustrating my point that they have different jobs, different positions, but nocerino, even from been deployed far deeper, with far more focus on tackling and breaking up play, has scored more goals...when marchisio's job for us, is far more focused on scoring and creating goals, than nocerino's job is for milan. Anyway, I am just repeating myself...if you respond, say something new, rather than just getting uppity. Its debate, not a word scrap.
My comparison was a response to your comparison. Yes, without a doubt...as i wrote...marchisio is clearly has better technique. I am not looking for an argument, discussion yes.
Who ever said that technique was a sole measure for goalscoring? I was illustrating my point that they have different jobs, different positions, but nocerino, even from been deployed far deeper, with far more focus on tackling and breaking up play, has scored more goals...when marchisio's job for us, is far more focused on scoring and creating goals, than nocerino's job is for milan. Anyway, I am just repeating myself...if you respond, say something new, rather than just getting uppity. Its debate, not a word scrap.
Didn't have much time for this so just a part of your post I'd comment.
I was merely referring to this:
What's the point? I mean yes, so Nocerino scored more goals. It could be because of the players but it could also be because of their different tactics and roles. Nocerino scoring more doesn't prove he's technically gifted (but if you didn't mean this then okay, I'm just asserting), if more it proves that Milan's tactics don't make him as mere holding midfielder as you've said but more than that, which may or may not have been employed to Marchisio's role. Which is why I've said that with different way of perceiving matches we won't agree with anything here, as a simple one like who's more hardworking/pressuring opponents more between Marchisio and Pirlo, and we're different. The problem is you think Nocerino has more less offensive role yet he goalscoring record is better, and you're tying to make it a point which shouldn't be the case in my opinion. What if Nocerino is indeed has less offensive roles, but Milan is a more attacking team in a general---wouldn't that make certain players in the same position will naturally outscore the one in the less offensive team? In fact Milan has much better goalscoring record than us.
Whatever the case is I won't pursue this anymore, thank you for your time and I'm sorry if I said something wrong.
I was merely referring to this:
What's the point? I mean yes, so Nocerino scored more goals. It could be because of the players but it could also be because of their different tactics and roles. Nocerino scoring more doesn't prove he's technically gifted (but if you didn't mean this then okay, I'm just asserting), if more it proves that Milan's tactics don't make him as mere holding midfielder as you've said but more than that, which may or may not have been employed to Marchisio's role. Which is why I've said that with different way of perceiving matches we won't agree with anything here, as a simple one like who's more hardworking/pressuring opponents more between Marchisio and Pirlo, and we're different. The problem is you think Nocerino has more less offensive role yet he goalscoring record is better, and you're tying to make it a point which shouldn't be the case in my opinion. What if Nocerino is indeed has less offensive roles, but Milan is a more attacking team in a general---wouldn't that make certain players in the same position will naturally outscore the one in the less offensive team? In fact Milan has much better goalscoring record than us.
Whatever the case is I won't pursue this anymore, thank you for your time and I'm sorry if I said something wrong.
