Claudio Marchisio (82 Viewers)

[JuveJay]

It's a good job Marchisio is currently playing left midfield, maybe some don't understand as they only look at the team from an offensive perspective.

 

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[Bjerknes]

Yes that's right, nobody understands anything besides those that conform. Got it.

Why don't we use Sissoko out left then, huh?

 

[JuveJay]

You non-comformist, you Because he can't even play in the centre competently.

 

[Bjerknes]

If you have an inferiority fetish regarding defense, then promote Sissoko out left.

 

[adriano_c]

So now Marchisio is misunderstood and those that don't support him starting at LM are ignorant. Grasp at straws much?

Tell me if I'm missing something.

We have a gaping hole at LB. The player(s) there cannot offer much in attack or defence. Marchisio has been drafted in as a stop-gap measure at LM to help plug the problem as we simply don't have any other possible choice through injury or otherwise.

Incidentally, in the process, we're now functioning with two positions at less than optimal condition, rather than just the one (LB), as Marchisio isn't up for the task of doing a winger's job. In effect it's been a lesser of two evils scenario and not a good one wherein we even come up to par by any stretch (if Marchisio could offer the same assurances in defence as a good LB, then maybe it'd even out, but he cannot by the very nature of his playing so far up the pitch and besides not being that spectacular defensively).

We've cut off our left arm to save our left leg, yeah? Too bad that arm isn't making a very good leg and we're doubly fucked now.

Again, it beats buying a proper LB, yeah?

-edit. Actually, whatever, go ahead and keep thinking he's playing "because he's too good to be benched".

 

[Bjerknes]

Like I said, if the defense of the left flank is so important, advocate to use Sissoko out left or shut up already. Use Sissoko out there and whack off to the idea that we can't mount an attack on the left side, unless the World Cup Winner Grosso gets down the flank (then it will be ecstasy masturbation for some)

 

[adriano_c]

But Sissoko doesn't have Marchisio's footballing brain!

 

[Djabrail]

I somehow doubt that

U let me know, when we gonna bench him for more than a game in a row. In a CL material team hes an important link who could cover lots of positions. And in a good team hes surely a starter.

 

[Nenz]

Disagreed. If anything, I'd say things that aren't possible to gauge with hard statistics, things like grit, determination, and "character" (as nebulous as that one is) are just as appreciated, particularly on this forum. Obviously I include myself in this, as evidenced by my admiration of Chiellini.

On the other hand, it seems to me, along with proponents of Marchisio as a starter, at least this week, that his main strength is that he "doesn't fuck up". After all, that's the gist of having supposedly great "decision making" and "positional sense". For the latter, I take it to be more so defensively, as certainly his positioning when going forward isn't spectacular.

So, in the end, you have a pretty good player, whose highlight is not making mistakes, rather than being "fast" or a "good passer" (to use your examples), or even being that exceptional going forward or safe at the back. Then there's his demeanour on the pitch which, as aptly as I can put it, is "quiet". I've never seen (or can't remember seeing) him fire up his teammates or take the game by the scruff of the neck on his own, as it were. So what's left? A player who isn't or cannot make a big demonstrable positive contribution in contrast to his peers at CM, but rather one who simply isn't making a negative one (via his avoidance of mistakes).

Other than that, clearly, I'd prefer it if we had a proper left winger (in the vein of Krasic) who does the job a winger should, rather than a jack of all trades who's supposedly providing "balance" in the face of our team having a bunch of handicapped left backs who add nothing defensively or going forward. Marchisio on the left is such a band aid solution that it irks me to watch. It beats buying proper personnel though, I suppose, leaving us with a one dimensional and somewhat predictable attack.

+rep

What I've been trying to say all season.

 

[Toro_Merda]

Now that we have a relativelly good Melo/Aqua partnership forming in the center, it will be a tough descision of where to field Marchisio, because clearly he WILL play for this Juventus, regardless it will be out or in position(which is CM). The way I see it, we should go 4-3-3/4-3-2-1..

 

[JuveJay]

So now Marchisio is misunderstood and those that don't support him starting at LM are ignorant. Grasp at straws much?

Tell me if I'm missing something.

Yes I do think Marchisio is misunderstood, in his value to the team. Having a preference for a proper wide man is fine, but I think he is undervalued for what he brings to our current team as a player, the job he does. And yes, it does come down to the fact people are peeved that we don't have two flying wingers and seem limited in attack. Ideally we'd have both players to change, but then some don't like Pepe. They'd rather we had two Krasic's on the wing. That's great, one way. I would have absolutely LOVED to see us against Inter, Milan and Roma with two attacking wide players and see how those games turned out, because our fullbacks are totally inadequate. And that is the main reason why Marchisio is currently an important member of our team.

If we get fullbacks who can attacking and defend, different story. Marchisio doesn't have glamour or glitz or (many) wonderful tricks, but if we are talking about things that irk then for me it would be great team players who are never rated at their clubs.

 

[JuveJay]

Now that we have a relativelly good Melo/Aqua partnership forming in the center, it will be a tough descision of where to field Marchisio, because clearly he WILL play for this Juventus, regardless it will be out or in position(which is CM). The way I see it, we should go 4-3-3/4-3-2-1..

We play 4-3-3 a lot of the time anyway when Krasic pushes forward, for some reason some think we are stuck like FM and our players only stand in one position of the pitch, it changes based on the game condition.

 

[adriano_c]

If we get fullbacks who can attacking and defend, different story.

Then we're in agreement? Marchisio as a starting LM is merely symptomatic of our bigger problem at LB. Done deal!

 

[JuveJay]

I don't think we really disagreed to begin with, although the obsession with the rigid 4-4-2 idea is causing problems because people only see Krasic as a threat from 'midfield'.

 

[Ahmed]

anyone got the stats for Marchi this year...goals, assists, passes completed, tackles won?

 

[Zé Tahir]

Is he suspended for our next Serie A game?

 

[Fake Melo]

Is he suspended for our next Serie A game?

Yes he is.

 

[Lion]

Marchisio will go straight to the bench once a proper left winger (hopefully Vargas) is brought in.

but as a depth player he is great to have as a back up to midfield instead of sissoko

 

[Ahmed]

^ lol.

 

[Djabrail]

Marchisio will go straight to the bench once a proper left winger (hopefully Vargas) is brought in.

but as a depth player he is great to have as a back up to midfield instead of sissoko

It would depend on an opponent. There s no such thing as a "straight" bench if u r as good and versatile as Marchi. And its not like u r bringing Messi in, Vargas is good, not great. U may disagree though.