CL without FC JUVENTUS (1 Viewer)

pavelnedved

official nedved copy
Jul 15, 2006
2,992
#42
indeed. I saw Chelsea - Bremen yesterday and didn't really care. I didn't even watch the highlights of the other games.


I'm only looking forward to Anderlecht a little ... but it's nothing like Juve.
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
#44
Jem83 said:
@ Juve Bella:

1) It's virtually impossible that we can participate in the CL next year, as we have no way of qualifying for the competition.

2) Even 2 years from now it is unlikely to happen because once we get back to the top flight we must consolidate and operate with new strategies, aquire better players and have them play together as a unit and these things take time. I believe Blanc was realistic and 100% correct when he predicted a couple of days ago that it is going to take at least 4 or 5 years. I hope we can achieve CL qualification 3 seasons from now, but if we do, it must be considered a PHENOMENAL achievement.

And about Moggi..

I still believe that he wasn't the main culprit "behind the scenes" in Italian football, and that his genuine interest was to ensure our well-being. Berlusconi wanted Moggi removed and ultimately managed to achieve this by engaging all the allies he had and still has. Which is not few. In the days of the old Roman republic, and after it dissolved, and as a matter of fact; throughout the entire history of Italy, we know of the Patron/Client system, in which the patrons were the politicians and the clients were common citizens who were given priveliges in exchange for votes/favors. Sure, Moggi had his clients. But no more than Silvio Berlusconi, who still has many and is a very powerful man and will be for as long as he lives. I'm not insinuating that you're NOT aware of his corrupt ways and control of the media, but I ask of you to take this into consideration next time you want to utter "It's all Moggi's fault".

In my opinion, Moggi did many great things for Juve. He also made some errors, which are the ones you and most people refer to (and rightly so). I acknowledge that. But it's definately not "all his fault" because the system was already in place before he arrived. Politically, Italy is in fact based on "making changes that don't change anything". Face value, wise rhetoric, pleasing the crowds and exploitation of social situations are typical characteristics. Word on the street means much. The hated Juventus now suffer because of the wise political strategies of Berlusconi, who, through his own Media, has given the people what they wanted to read. He added much fuel to the ever-burning fire that is the hatred for Juventus. A perfectly staged drama. The larger culprits got away while Moggi was made scape-goat.

I was hoping that the Calciopoli trial would bring every single corrupt man in Italian football to justice but quickly after the verdicts came out, and after the first round of appeals, I realized how naive I was in thinking that.
The trial hasn't changed ANYTHING when it comes to corruption. The system is still in place. The only thing that has happened is the removal of our triade and our relegation to the Serie-B. If it had all been for the good of the future of Italian football, I would've been happy with the outcome and very positive! But what's it all for? Nothing. Some other clubs have been given points deductions but will it have an impact in the long term? Will it change the system of Italian football and will it ripple to the main political arena? I think not.
post of the fucking year !!!!:agree:
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,244
#47
From a neutral perspective, the absence of Juventus from the Champions League means nothing more than Inter missing out a few seasons ago. If we were placed in the Barcelona/Chelsea group we would be murdered anyway.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,395
#48
Andy said:
From a neutral perspective, the absence of Juventus from the Champions League means nothing more than Inter missing out a few seasons ago. If we were placed in the Barcelona/Chelsea group we would be murdered anyway.
That is based on nothing, if we were to play n the Champions League, we wouldn't have sold all these players rather we would have strengthened the team.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,244
#49
Jeeks said:
That is based on nothing, if we were to play n the Champions League, we wouldn't have sold all these players rather we would have strengthened the team.
Not necessarly. Emerson, Ibrahimovic, and Cannavaro would have left for sure after the scandal and departure of Capello.

But people have to stop bitching and face reality.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,395
#51
Andy said:
Not necessarly. Emerson, Ibrahimovic, and Cannavaro would have left for sure after the scandal and departure of Capello.

But people have to stop bitching and face reality.
After the scandal we are not to play in the CL, had there not been a scandal, you can never know what would have happened.
 

giovanotti

ONE MAN ARMY
Aug 13, 2004
13,725
#52
gagarini1 said:
I felt so bad yesterday that decided to open this topic.... and express myself...

Yesterday night i turned the TV on and saw Chelsea - Werder match was Live!... then I realized that Juve will not participate this year (next year) and fel such EMPTINESS!!!

CL without Juventus is something different... everyone was afraid of Juve but no one would admit it...

DAMN that Scandal! Juve was playing great in CL also and do they want to say that they cheated there too???

Anyway ... just express what CL means for you without Juve!

I plan not to watch it at all for me - CL without Juve is EMPTY!!!
Something different for you,me and every other Juve fan...but other fans don't note big difference(they are enjoying to watch their teams).
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,244
#53
Jeeks said:
After the scandal we are not to play in the CL, had there not been a scandal, you can never know what would have happened.
lol

I did not know we were discussing fairytales here of a totally clean Juventus.
 

chester

Too busy to bother
May 20, 2006
15,055
#54
Jeeks said:
After the scandal we are not to play in the CL, had there not been a scandal, you can never know what would have happened.
true, but I think his point is, the scandal was there, the punishement was there, and we all know what happened so let's stop living in the past, let's stop complaining that it wasn't fair, I think we all agree on that.
Let us just look at the future, hopefully an even more succesfull one then the past was.

:pint:
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,395
#55
Andy said:
lol

I did not know we were discussing fairytales here of a totally clean Juventus.
Well my reply to your post was if we were in a group with Chelsea and Barcelona we would have been eaten alive, how can we be in a group with Chelsea and Barca in the situation we are in? Isn't that also an assumption that is based on nothing?

I would add to that, if we are to be in a group with Hamburg, AEK and FC Köpenhamn we would not have qualified to the second stage. We might struggle to qualify for the UEFA.
 

Lilith

Immortelle
May 19, 2006
6,719
#56
The thing is if we were in the CL some of us will be actually getting to see them play and now we have to settle for second hand news. Well me anyway cuz my pc is on dial up and I have no sound so I am screwed.
 

Juve Bella

Senior Member
Jul 21, 2006
727
#57
Jem83 said:
@ Juve Bella:

1) It's virtually impossible that we can participate in the CL next year, as we have no way of qualifying for the competition.

2) Even 2 years from now it is unlikely to happen because once we get back to the top flight we must consolidate and operate with new strategies, aquire better players and have them play together as a unit and these things take time. I believe Blanc was realistic and 100% correct when he predicted a couple of days ago that it is going to take at least 4 or 5 years. I hope we can achieve CL qualification 3 seasons from now, but if we do, it must be considered a PHENOMENAL achievement.

And about Moggi..

I still believe that he wasn't the main culprit "behind the scenes" in Italian football, and that his genuine interest was to ensure our well-being. Berlusconi wanted Moggi removed and ultimately managed to achieve this by engaging all the allies he had and still has. Which is not few. In the days of the old Roman republic, and after it dissolved, and as a matter of fact; throughout the entire history of Italy, we know of the Patron/Client system, in which the patrons were the politicians and the clients were common citizens who were given priveliges in exchange for votes/favors. Sure, Moggi had his clients. But no more than Silvio Berlusconi, who still has many and is a very powerful man and will be for as long as he lives. I'm not insinuating that you're NOT aware of his corrupt ways and control of the media, but I ask of you to take this into consideration next time you want to utter "It's all Moggi's fault".

In my opinion, Moggi did many great things for Juve. He also made some errors, which are the ones you and most people refer to (and rightly so). I acknowledge that. But it's definately not "all his fault" because the system was already in place before he arrived. Politically, Italy is in fact based on "making changes that don't change anything". Face value, wise rhetoric, pleasing the crowds and exploitation of social situations are typical characteristics. Word on the street means much. The hated Juventus now suffer because of the wise political strategies of Berlusconi, who, through his own Media, has given the people what they wanted to read. He added much fuel to the ever-burning fire that is the hatred for Juventus. A perfectly staged drama. The larger culprits got away while Moggi was made scape-goat.

I was hoping that the Calciopoli trial would bring every single corrupt man in Italian football to justice but quickly after the verdicts came out, and after the first round of appeals, I realized how naive I was in thinking that.
The trial hasn't changed ANYTHING when it comes to corruption. The system is still in place. The only thing that has happened is the removal of our triade and our relegation to the Serie-B. If it had all been for the good of the future of Italian football, I would've been happy with the outcome and very positive! But what's it all for? Nothing. Some other clubs have been given points deductions but will it have an impact in the long term? Will it change the system of Italian football and will it ripple to the main political arena? I think not.
i agree with you :)
 

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