Juve Bella said:
Miracles only happens with juve 
God bless our team
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I dont think God will bless us after all we broke some of the ten commandments!
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@ Juve Bella:
1) It's virtually impossible that we can participate in the CL next year, as we have no way of qualifying for the competition.
2) Even 2 years from now it is unlikely to happen because once we get back to the top flight we must consolidate and operate with new strategies, aquire better players and have them play together as a unit and these things take time. I believe Blanc was realistic and 100% correct when he predicted a couple of days ago that it is going to take at least 4 or 5 years. I hope we can achieve CL qualification 3 seasons from now, but if we do, it must be considered a PHENOMENAL achievement.
And about Moggi..
I still believe that he wasn't the main culprit "behind the scenes" in Italian football, and that his genuine interest was to ensure our well-being. Berlusconi wanted Moggi removed and ultimately managed to achieve this by engaging all the allies he had and still has. Which is not few. In the days of the old Roman republic, and after it dissolved, and as a matter of fact; throughout the entire history of Italy, we know of the Patron/Client system, in which the patrons were the politicians and the clients were common citizens who were given priveliges in exchange for votes/favors. Sure, Moggi had his clients. But no more than Silvio Berlusconi, who still has many and is a very powerful man and will be for as long as he lives. I'm not insinuating that you're NOT aware of his corrupt ways and control of the media, but I ask of you to take this into consideration next time you want to utter "It's all Moggi's fault".
In my opinion, Moggi did many great things for Juve. He also made some errors, which are the ones you and most people refer to (and rightly so). I acknowledge that. But it's definately not "all his fault" because the system was already in place before he arrived. Politically, Italy is in fact based on "making changes that don't change anything". Face value, wise rhetoric, pleasing the crowds and exploitation of social situations are typical characteristics. Word on the street means much. The hated Juventus now suffer because of the wise political strategies of Berlusconi, who, through his own Media, has given the people what they wanted to read. He added much fuel to the ever-burning fire that is the hatred for Juventus. A perfectly staged drama. The larger culprits got away while Moggi was made scape-goat.
I was hoping that the Calciopoli trial would bring every single corrupt man in Italian football to justice but quickly after the verdicts came out, and after the first round of appeals, I realized how naive I was in thinking that.
The trial hasn't changed ANYTHING when it comes to corruption. The system is still in place. The only thing that has happened is the removal of our triade and our relegation to the Serie-B. If it had all been for the good of the future of Italian football, I would've been happy with the outcome and very positive! But what's it all for? Nothing. Some other clubs have been given points deductions but will it have an impact in the long term? Will it change the system of Italian football and will it ripple to the main political arena? I think not.
1) It's virtually impossible that we can participate in the CL next year, as we have no way of qualifying for the competition.
2) Even 2 years from now it is unlikely to happen because once we get back to the top flight we must consolidate and operate with new strategies, aquire better players and have them play together as a unit and these things take time. I believe Blanc was realistic and 100% correct when he predicted a couple of days ago that it is going to take at least 4 or 5 years. I hope we can achieve CL qualification 3 seasons from now, but if we do, it must be considered a PHENOMENAL achievement.
And about Moggi..
I still believe that he wasn't the main culprit "behind the scenes" in Italian football, and that his genuine interest was to ensure our well-being. Berlusconi wanted Moggi removed and ultimately managed to achieve this by engaging all the allies he had and still has. Which is not few. In the days of the old Roman republic, and after it dissolved, and as a matter of fact; throughout the entire history of Italy, we know of the Patron/Client system, in which the patrons were the politicians and the clients were common citizens who were given priveliges in exchange for votes/favors. Sure, Moggi had his clients. But no more than Silvio Berlusconi, who still has many and is a very powerful man and will be for as long as he lives. I'm not insinuating that you're NOT aware of his corrupt ways and control of the media, but I ask of you to take this into consideration next time you want to utter "It's all Moggi's fault".
In my opinion, Moggi did many great things for Juve. He also made some errors, which are the ones you and most people refer to (and rightly so). I acknowledge that. But it's definately not "all his fault" because the system was already in place before he arrived. Politically, Italy is in fact based on "making changes that don't change anything". Face value, wise rhetoric, pleasing the crowds and exploitation of social situations are typical characteristics. Word on the street means much. The hated Juventus now suffer because of the wise political strategies of Berlusconi, who, through his own Media, has given the people what they wanted to read. He added much fuel to the ever-burning fire that is the hatred for Juventus. A perfectly staged drama. The larger culprits got away while Moggi was made scape-goat.
I was hoping that the Calciopoli trial would bring every single corrupt man in Italian football to justice but quickly after the verdicts came out, and after the first round of appeals, I realized how naive I was in thinking that.
The trial hasn't changed ANYTHING when it comes to corruption. The system is still in place. The only thing that has happened is the removal of our triade and our relegation to the Serie-B. If it had all been for the good of the future of Italian football, I would've been happy with the outcome and very positive! But what's it all for? Nothing. Some other clubs have been given points deductions but will it have an impact in the long term? Will it change the system of Italian football and will it ripple to the main political arena? I think not.
in may i was happier than anyone could ever imagined.
juve won the title and we all had hopes of doing well in the Cl again. my other team hearts had just had their best season in a few years, finishing second and winning the cup, i was starting to dream of teh possibility of my two teams being in the CL.
the scandal was soul destroying, especially as an inter scumbag screwed us with the punishment, then hearts got screwed against AEK and we have to console ourselves with a tough game against Sparta Prague to even get into the UEFA cup groups.
from such a high to last weekend, juve slumping to a por draw on their serie b debut and hearts pummelling the st mirren defence only to get caught out with the mother of all smash and grab acts.
this season is going downhill fast and i cant believe the massive change in fortunes over the past few months
juve won the title and we all had hopes of doing well in the Cl again. my other team hearts had just had their best season in a few years, finishing second and winning the cup, i was starting to dream of teh possibility of my two teams being in the CL.
the scandal was soul destroying, especially as an inter scumbag screwed us with the punishment, then hearts got screwed against AEK and we have to console ourselves with a tough game against Sparta Prague to even get into the UEFA cup groups.
from such a high to last weekend, juve slumping to a por draw on their serie b debut and hearts pummelling the st mirren defence only to get caught out with the mother of all smash and grab acts.
this season is going downhill fast and i cant believe the massive change in fortunes over the past few months
gagarini1 said:
Nice Words...
But Imagine What opportunities are missed for upcoming years((
What amount of money lost...((
Its not easy to put a "bridge" and go over it...
But Imagine What opportunities are missed for upcoming years
((What amount of money lost...
((Its not easy to put a "bridge" and go over it...
@Jem83...that was a great post. Everything you said is true. This whole Calciopoli scandal changes NOTHING except that Juve was relegated for the first time in history to Serie B. They broke up and destroyed our team, they ruined us financially and smeared our reputation. But they didn't change the system and you are right...the system will remain in place. The masses are appeased because Juve was punished, blah blah blah. The whole thing just makes me sick. A classic example of the more things change the more they stay the same. It's not really in Berlusconi's and Moratti's best interests to change things...only to make Juventus look like the guilty party and be punished to make life easier for them.
Back to topic...CL will be totally boring for me without Juve. I probably won't even watch it. Right now winning Serie B is what I want.
Back to topic...CL will be totally boring for me without Juve. I probably won't even watch it. Right now winning Serie B is what I want.
this year and next year there is Chumpions league..
Normaly I am allways for italian teams, but this year I want all italian team to be kick assed.. italians should start to know how important juve is for italian football.
I just laughed my ass off yesterday as I saw how these bastards of Finter lost sporting
The great ibraca showed some great skills and vieira forced the ref to show him his favourite color
Normaly I am allways for italian teams, but this year I want all italian team to be kick assed.. italians should start to know how important juve is for italian football.
I just laughed my ass off yesterday as I saw how these bastards of Finter lost sporting
The great ibraca showed some great skills and vieira forced the ref to show him his favourite color