[CL] Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 JUVENTUS [March 7th 2018] (28 Viewers)

[Seven]

This whole “play attacking football so we can attract fanboys” is one of the most revolting and disgusting things about modern football. I want us to play football that wins us trophies, could not fucking care less how we do it, or how many new-age football glory hunters we attract in the process.

Overall you have by far the most chances of winning the CL trophy with more attacking football.

 

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[pitbull]

Overall you have by far the most chances of winning the CL trophy with more attacking football.

not sure, I see more correlation between money and CL winning.

2016/17 winners Real Madrid, 2nd in revenue
2015/16 winners Real Madrid, 3rd in revenue
2014/15 winners Barcelona, 2nd in revenue
2013/14 winners Real Madrid, 1st in revenue
2012/13 winners Bayern, 3rd in revenue
2011/12 winners Chelsea, 5th in revenue
2010/11 winners Barcelona, 2nd in revenue
2009/10 winners Inter, 9th in revenue
2008/09 winners Barcelona, 2nd in revenue
2007/08 winners ManUtd, 2nd in revenue

you get the idea, I used Deloitte data.

the only two times clubs outside TOP3 richest in the world won the CL - Chelsea and Inter - they were both playing out the back and had a very solid defense. all the other clubs that weren't among richest in the world and played attacking footie didn't win one CL during the past decade. if we want the CL I don't see a better way to win it than what we're doing currently, grow financially and go as far as you can using our strengths.

 

[Vialli_92]

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Vialli wants us not to win any trophies this year so management get a wake-up call, and Allegri gets kicked to the curb for a possession+attacking coach.

Such splendid fans we have.

Why do you love to twist everything I write to suit your agenda?

I simply pointed out if we don't win the league it can possibly benefit us in other ways, never did I say I want us to lose the league like you claimed

-rep for twisting my statements like you always do

 

[Seven]

not sure, I see more correlation between money and CL winning.

2016/17 winners Real Madrid, 2nd in revenue
2015/16 winners Real Madrid, 3rd in revenue
2014/15 winners Barcelona, 2nd in revenue
2013/14 winners Real Madrid, 1st in revenue
2012/13 winners Bayern, 3rd in revenue
2011/12 winners Chelsea, 5th in revenue
2010/11 winners Barcelona, 2nd in revenue
2009/10 winners Inter, 9th in revenue
2008/09 winners Barcelona, 2nd in revenue
2007/08 winners ManUtd, 2nd in revenue

you get the idea, I used Deloitte data.

the only two times clubs outside TOP3 richest in the world won the CL - Chelsea and Inter - they were both playing out the back and had a very solid defense. all the other clubs that weren't among richest in the world and played attacking footie didn't win one CL during the past decade.

You conveniently leave out that the rich clubs who DO play attacking football, won by far the most.

In that time period Real won it three times, Barcelona won it three times and both Bayern and Man Utd won it once. ALL played attacking football.

 

[pitbull]

You conveniently leave out that the rich clubs who DO play attacking football, won by far the most.

In that time period Real won it three times, Barcelona won it three times and both Bayern and Man Utd won it once. ALL played attacking football.

I didn't leave them out conveniently, I assumed you'd assume what I'd assumed - that rich clubs have better quality teams and can afford to play attacking football, because they have the upper hand. clubs like Monaco and Arsenal can play all the attacking footie they want, when they come up against better equipped teams doing the same thing they're doing, they'll eventually go out. you can say we're Juventus all you want, but sadly we're around 8-10 when talking finances, hopefully we win that CL, ride that popularity wave like crazy and return to being TOP 3 as it was in 2005/06.

 

[Seven]

I didn't leave them out conveniently, I assumed you'd assume what I'd assumed - that rich clubs have better quality teams and can afford to play attacking football, because they have the upper hand. clubs like Monaco and Arsenal can play all the attacking footie they want, when they come up against better equipped teams doing the same thing they're doing, they'll eventually go out. you can say we're Juventus all you want, but sadly we're around 8-10 when talking finances.

Sure. Part of it is quality. But if defensive football is what wins you trophies, I'm sure Real would play it consistently. And they don't.

 

[Maddy]

You conveniently leave out that the rich clubs who DO play attacking football, won by far the most.

In that time period Real won it three times, Barcelona won it three times and both Bayern and Man Utd won it once. ALL played attacking football.

Correlation does not imply causation.

 

[Seven]

Correlation does not imply causation.

I know. But good luck trying to come up with other 'objective' arguments in a debate about football.

 

[Maddy]

I know. But good luck trying to come up with other 'objective' arguments in a debate about football.

If you know it, why do you then use a fallacy to construct an argument?

 

[pitbull]

Sure. Part of it is quality. But if defensive football is what wins you trophies, I'm sure Real would play it consistently. And they don't.

balanced footie is what wins you trophies imo and Real returned to being a great team by sorting out their midfield and defense, their attack has always had the best players in the world.

 

[SpursBoy]

Good morning guys, great weekend for us in England with Chelsea, Arsenal and West ham all losing, hoping for Palace to take at least a point. Top 4 looking good for us now as 5 point gap to Chelsea and a zillion to Arsenal

Do you know how many tickets we gave you, 4,500? and have they all sold. Hope so to make it a proper good atmosphere

Only a couple of days to go now and our boys had a stroll on Saturday with a 2-0 over Huddersfield but in all fairness I've seen harder training matches.

No new injuries, so just Alderweireld out.

Any of you guys coming over need any transport advice ask away

 

[Monty]

As Simeone said yesterday "if Messi was wearing an Atletico shirt, they would have won"

 

[Seven]

If you know it, why do you then use a fallacy to construct an argument?

Correlation does not prevent causation either. More importantly, football games are very limited in what may influence them. We are not talking about some complex biological or sociological phenomenon. We are talking about a game that takes place within a very strict set of rules. 22 players, one ball, two goals. If, within those circumstances, we consistently see correlation, causation actually becomes quite likely.

Especially when it's 8 out of 10.

 

[Monty]

Correlation does not prevent causation either. More importantly, football games are very limited in what may influence them. We are not talking about some complex biological or sociological phenomenon. We are talking about a game that takes place within a very strict set of rules. 22 players, one ball, two goals. If, within those circumstances, we consistently see correlation, causation actually becomes quite likely.

Especially when it's 8 out of 10.

Take out the outliers that are Ronaldo and Messi and do the maf again

 

[Xperd]

balanced footie is what wins you trophies imo and Real returned to being a great team by sorting out their midfield and defense, their attack has always had the best players in the world.

Real Madrid are a balanced team that plays attacking football. Not the other way round. The term 'balanced football' sounds vague in this context anyway.

 

[Maddy]

Take out the outliers that are Ronaldo and Messi and do the maf again

(7 out of 10).

In other words if you have neither Ronaldo or Messi, you are more liekly to win CL with defensive football.

So Juve should play defensive football is they wanna win CL.

 

[pitbull]

Correlation does not prevent causation either. More importantly, football games are very limited in what may influence them. We are not talking about some complex biological or sociological phenomenon. We are talking about a game that takes place within a very strict set of rules. 22 players, one ball, two goals. If, within those circumstances, we consistently see correlation, causation actually becomes quite likely.

Especially when it's 8 out of 10.

yeah but applying the TOP3 logic to a TOP10 team doesn't make much sense, our revenue is 60% of Real Madrid's. Napoli f.e. has 200m revenue, you wouldn't ask Torino or Sassuolo to try and outplay them in an open game, would you?

 

[Seven]

(7 out of 10).

In other words if you have neither Ronaldo or Messi, you are more liekly to win CL with defensive football.

So Juve should play defensive football is they wanna win CL.

Or, try to get the best player in the world. Which, as it seems, it much more of a guarantee of success.

 

[pitbull]

Or, try to get the best player in the world. Which, as it seems, it much more of a guarantee of success.

we might already have the potential best player in the world once Messi retires, but I'm afraid he'll be gone by the time that happens.

 

[Monty]

we might already have the potential best player in the world once Messi retires, but I'm afraid he'll be gone by the time that happens.

Where is Sturaro going?