[CL] Manchester United 0-1 JUVENTUS [October 23rd, 2018] (11 Viewers)

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Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Man I feel sorry for them tbh. I pray that we never ever have to go through the shit that MU, Milan fans are going right now.
It's painful to see a giant fall.
 

tosh_rose

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Aug 21, 2010
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Man I feel sorry for them tbh. I pray that we never ever have to go through the shit that MU, Milan fans are going right now.
It's painful to see a giant fall.

You mean like going through shit like 2006 - 2011 period? Yeah, we kinda know what it feels to watch your club in a "fallen giant" situation, the biggest difference here is that it took a farsopoli to bring us down, while those clubs fell in a natural way, they did it themselves, whether it is bad running from their management, bad investments, lack of leadership, not being able to replace adequately managers, star players, regular players, etc, not being able to adapt to modern day football, you name it...

Reasons may vary, but the result is out there for everyone to see it, they peaked, couldnt hold ground and keep up, they fell. What they need is their own Agnelli, someone smart, modern, progressive and intelligent enough to start from scratch and lead them up the ladder till they reach the European and world top. Time changes very, very fast, if you dont adapt and try to constantly improve, sooner or later you will be left behind. I for one dont feel sorry for them, they are still huge brands with worldwide reputation, they are all grown-up men, they will figure it out, it shouldnt be that hard considering the advantage they have - "huge brands with worldwide reputation"...
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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You mean like going through shit like 2006 - 2011 period? Yeah, we kinda know what it feels to watch your club in a "fallen giant" situation, the biggest difference here is that it took a farsopoli to bring us down, while those clubs fell in a natural way, they did it themselves, whether it is bad running from their management, bad investments, lack of leadership, not being able to replace adequately managers, star players, regular players, etc, not being able to adapt to modern day football, you name it...

Reasons may vary, but the result is out there for everyone to see it, they peaked, couldnt hold ground and keep up, they fell. What they need is their own Agnelli, someone smart, modern, progressive and intelligent enough to start from scratch and lead them up the ladder till they reach the European and world top. Time changes very, very fast, if you dont adapt and try to constantly improve, sooner or later you will be left behind. I for one dont feel sorry for them, they are still huge brands with worldwide reputation, they are all grown-up men, they will figure it out, it shouldnt be that hard considering the advantage they have - "huge brands with worldwide reputation"...
That's why their situation is worse than ours was. We had an enemy, while they're their own enemy.
 

juve103423

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Mar 22, 2010
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We should continue with a right axis of Cancelo - Bentancur - Cuadrado again. Thats so strong in terms of possession play, aggression, tackles, movement. Absolutely perfect for tough CL games. And get Berna in that flow too.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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So you think this current MU with one of the highest turnovers in the world is worse than Juve in 2008?
Yeah because even with all the money in the world the club will fall without ambition. Juve never lacked ambition, but MU is on its way to become like Arsenal -- balancing the books.
 

X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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Only team with 9 points and even after tomorrow it will only be 1-2 others at most.
Now, 1 of the 3 teams with 9 points.

Unfortunately, considering how mediocre Inter and Atletico are, we will probably still be one of 3 teams with 12 points after matchday 4. Odd how many usually consistently strong teams have been poor, so far, this year. Almost like the World Cup was. Even if many of them will still make it to the next round I feel like this year could really be Juve's year.

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Yeah because even with all the money in the world the club will fall without ambition. Juve never lacked ambition, but MU is on its way to become like Arsenal -- balancing the books.
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Snobist

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Apr 16, 2017
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Our CHL record against English team has been very bad, and we improved a lot in like 5-6 years. We’ve beaten Chelsea, City, And United. We need to beat Liverpool and Arsenal (Sadly not possible anytime soon unless they win Europa League).
 

tosh_rose

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Aug 21, 2010
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Opinion: Loss to Juventus showed that Manchester United are improving

Juventus defeated Manchester United on Tuesday night at Old Trafford in a match that saw two halves differing from each other in equal amounts. If the first belonged to the team from Turin, the second was when one could see a United renaissance which, unfortunately, could not translate into goals. Football writers and pundits across the world have been saying that United were horrible and the competition was actually one of the men versus boys, but that was not the case.

United have developed a tendency to discover the fight within themselves only after they have gone down a goal or two. We saw that in their matches against Newcastle before the international break and Chelsea at Stamford Bridge. They emerged on the winning side against the Toon army but a late Ross Barkley strike meant that they could settle only for a draw against the Blues.

The goal Juventus scored was thanks to an unlucky fumble and a simple tap-in that Paulo Dybala drove home. Apart from that, Juventus did not look otherworldly. The fact that Victor Lindelof and Chris Smalling could keep Cristiano Ronaldo and Paulo Dybala at bay is a victory in itself for Manchester United.

Juventus were exemplary, yes, and the way Miralem Pjanic built upplay and brought Rodrigo Bentancur and Alex Sandro in the game was mightily impressive. The Brazilian Sandro was a revelation in himself, flying down the flanks when the attack built but when the time came for defending, he was found a bit wanting. Juan Cuadrado was excellent on the right wing and gave plenty of good balls to both Ronaldo and Dybala. Massimilano Allegri has built this team on the foundation of fast, dissecting passes and they have adapted well. However, what Manchester United can learn from Juventus is the way they pass the ball and press high when they lose it.

If Leonardo Bonucci and Georgio Chiellini laid down the law of the land on how to defend, as Jose Mourinho praised them for, Chris Smalling and Victor Lindelof were not too far behind. The Swede was especially quick on the ball and defended with complete authority. Smalling, on the other hand, has been the best United central defender this season and showed another promising performance.

It was wonderful to see Paul Pogba and Nemanja Matic come into their own in the centre of the park and when the former started showing off, he made the game look so much easier. The only place United were found wanting was in the number nine spot, with Belgian Romelu Lukaku's goal drought worrying for Mourinho and his staff.

This is to say that there was no gulf in quality between Manchester United and Juventus on the night and given a better framework to battle in, the former can surely give the latter a run for their money in the return fixture. Sure, United lost out on a lot of quality signings and do not exactly have the best players in the world, but heart, desire, resolve, and the Manchester United badge, can sometimes be just enough.

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Frolix

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Sep 16, 2009
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mandzu has got to go. He does not retain the qualeties we are looking for in a player at this level. Touch like a baby elefant. no vision, no teckhnical support, no passing abilities. Why do we keep him? and it has nothing to do with this match, sorry.
 

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