Sorry, I didn't see the post where you explained your choices. I've made a more appropriate reply.
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Well, I think I agree with your tactics, however I disagree in the most part with the player choices you have made.
The first mistake I see is Nedved all alone on the left flank. If Nedved would be the lone left winger he would be obligated to track back too much for my liking, thus restricting his movement in attack. The last thing you want to do is restrict Nedved's movement and make him worry about the opposing team's wingers. IMO Nedved should be given strictly an attacking role right behind the strikers or roaming around with the other two forwards in attack. Playing Nedved alone on the flank would reduce his attacking capacity, something we do not need or want.
Secondly, the choice of Olivera next to Emerson in this match boggles my mind. If the most threatening pool attacks are coming from their right, why would we field a totally offensive player in left midfield? Albeit a player who is not used to playing in the center? I think Gerrard would have a field day with Olivera.
Thirdly, Appiah at leftback is just hilarious. First I thought that was just a joke post, and I'm still not certain on that account
. Appiah would be a huge gamble and probably a liability, considering he makes a lot of stupid fouls and tends to give the ball away too much for my liking. I don't know if Appiah has ever played leftback for a team, however I doubt he would like to experiment in such a crucial match. Nay on Appiah. Sorry Zlatan.
Lastly, Camoranesi behind the strikers seems to be a good idea, however I would rather field Nedved in that role. I also think Mauro could hold down the right flank rather nicely, especially with Pessotto right in behind him.
I would choose something like this:
Buffon
Pessotto - Thuram - Cannavaro
Camoranesi - Emerson - Tacchinardi - Zambrotta
Ibrahimovic - Trezeguet - Nedved
Note: Nedved would not really be playing left-forward, as I would give him the freedon to roam and pick up the ball in midfield. I do not think the Liverpool defense will be able to handle the movement of Nedved, and will cause them many problems if he has the freedom to do so. Our Czech also has the heart to win, so I would give him the freedom to work his magic.
Not sure whether or not to start Del Piero or Trezeguet yet. Let's see over the weekend.
With this setup the flanks would be covered pretty well, and we should be able to cause Liverpool problems at the back. We need to pressure Liverpool into making mistakes and not sit back, because we saw in the second half yesterday what happens when we attack them.
The first mistake I see is Nedved all alone on the left flank. If Nedved would be the lone left winger he would be obligated to track back too much for my liking, thus restricting his movement in attack. The last thing you want to do is restrict Nedved's movement and make him worry about the opposing team's wingers. IMO Nedved should be given strictly an attacking role right behind the strikers or roaming around with the other two forwards in attack. Playing Nedved alone on the flank would reduce his attacking capacity, something we do not need or want.
Secondly, the choice of Olivera next to Emerson in this match boggles my mind. If the most threatening pool attacks are coming from their right, why would we field a totally offensive player in left midfield? Albeit a player who is not used to playing in the center? I think Gerrard would have a field day with Olivera.
Thirdly, Appiah at leftback is just hilarious. First I thought that was just a joke post, and I'm still not certain on that account
. Appiah would be a huge gamble and probably a liability, considering he makes a lot of stupid fouls and tends to give the ball away too much for my liking. I don't know if Appiah has ever played leftback for a team, however I doubt he would like to experiment in such a crucial match. Nay on Appiah. Sorry Zlatan.Lastly, Camoranesi behind the strikers seems to be a good idea, however I would rather field Nedved in that role. I also think Mauro could hold down the right flank rather nicely, especially with Pessotto right in behind him.
I would choose something like this:
Buffon
Pessotto - Thuram - Cannavaro
Camoranesi - Emerson - Tacchinardi - Zambrotta
Ibrahimovic - Trezeguet - Nedved
Note: Nedved would not really be playing left-forward, as I would give him the freedon to roam and pick up the ball in midfield. I do not think the Liverpool defense will be able to handle the movement of Nedved, and will cause them many problems if he has the freedom to do so. Our Czech also has the heart to win, so I would give him the freedom to work his magic.
Not sure whether or not to start Del Piero or Trezeguet yet. Let's see over the weekend.
With this setup the flanks would be covered pretty well, and we should be able to cause Liverpool problems at the back. We need to pressure Liverpool into making mistakes and not sit back, because we saw in the second half yesterday what happens when we attack them.
On Pitch
1 Gianluigi Buffon Goalkeeper 6,5
27 Jonathan Zebina Defender 5,5
21 Lilian Ulien Thuram Defender 6
28 Fabio Cannavaro Defender 7
19 Gianluca Zambrotta Defender 6
16 Mauro German Camoranesi Midfielder 6
20 Manuele Blasi Midfielder 5
8 Emerson Midfielder 5,5
11 Pavel Nedved Midfielder 6,5
9 Zlatan Ibrahimovic Forward 6
10 Alessandro Del Piero Forward 6,5
Bench
12 Antonio Chimenti Goalkeeper
4 Paolo Montero Defender 5,5
7 Gianluca Pessotto Defender 5,5
18 Stephen Appiah Midfielder
24 Ruben Olivera Midfielder
17 David Trezeguet Forward 6
25 Marcelo Zalayeta Forward
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1 Gianluigi Buffon Goalkeeper 6,5
27 Jonathan Zebina Defender 5,5
21 Lilian Ulien Thuram Defender 6
28 Fabio Cannavaro Defender 7
19 Gianluca Zambrotta Defender 6
16 Mauro German Camoranesi Midfielder 6
20 Manuele Blasi Midfielder 5
8 Emerson Midfielder 5,5
11 Pavel Nedved Midfielder 6,5
9 Zlatan Ibrahimovic Forward 6
10 Alessandro Del Piero Forward 6,5
Bench
12 Antonio Chimenti Goalkeeper
4 Paolo Montero Defender 5,5
7 Gianluca Pessotto Defender 5,5
18 Stephen Appiah Midfielder
24 Ruben Olivera Midfielder
17 David Trezeguet Forward 6
25 Marcelo Zalayeta Forward
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Great Atittude.
Gianluigi Buffon - Can't be blamed for the goals, and had a solid game (as usual).
Jonathan Zebina - I've noticed a thing in all his games, he usually has problems with marking and positioning, but is physically a great player. He kept doing offensive raids, and at least tried even if never really worked. Has a large heart but lacks in other areas, which isn't good enough for a team like Juve.
Lilian Thuram - Very shakey at the beginning and was far from the Lilian we know, however he improved in the second half and not much could pass him.
Fabio Cannavaro - Running, jumping, tackling, marking, heading... Fabio has everything. Man of the match for Juve.
Gianluca Zambrotta - Did a a couple of mistakes early on, but later he was one of the main creative forces, assisting Canna. Never stopped running.
Mauro German Camoranesi - He had a difficult time, the Liverpool left flank is the strongest, and whenever he had the ball he couldn't do much out of it. Some nice moves.
Manuele Blasi - Time for Capello to find a replacement...
Emerson - Worst game of the season for him. Bad passes, lost the ball and lost all challenges. Became better in 2nd half but still, much worse than his normal standard.
Pavel Nedved - It was a pretty good 'first game after injury' performance. It was obvious he still needs time to recover, but was one of the more creative players on the pitch.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic - Not much in the attacking way for Zlatan, except his shot in the post which he did nicely to pull off. Good defensively though, headed out anything that came into the Juventus penalty box at set pieces.
Alessandro Del Piero - Offside goal and a decent finish which the keeper saved. Dribbled past a Liverpool player or two but otherwise anonymous.
Gianluca Pessotto - Did Blasi's job much better. Was everywhere, but his passes didn't always go to where they should. Nice sub.
David Trezeguet - Invisible.
Jonathan Zebina - I've noticed a thing in all his games, he usually has problems with marking and positioning, but is physically a great player. He kept doing offensive raids, and at least tried even if never really worked. Has a large heart but lacks in other areas, which isn't good enough for a team like Juve.
Lilian Thuram - Very shakey at the beginning and was far from the Lilian we know, however he improved in the second half and not much could pass him.
Fabio Cannavaro - Running, jumping, tackling, marking, heading... Fabio has everything. Man of the match for Juve.
Gianluca Zambrotta - Did a a couple of mistakes early on, but later he was one of the main creative forces, assisting Canna. Never stopped running.
Mauro German Camoranesi - He had a difficult time, the Liverpool left flank is the strongest, and whenever he had the ball he couldn't do much out of it. Some nice moves.
Manuele Blasi - Time for Capello to find a replacement...
Emerson - Worst game of the season for him. Bad passes, lost the ball and lost all challenges. Became better in 2nd half but still, much worse than his normal standard.
Pavel Nedved - It was a pretty good 'first game after injury' performance. It was obvious he still needs time to recover, but was one of the more creative players on the pitch.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic - Not much in the attacking way for Zlatan, except his shot in the post which he did nicely to pull off. Good defensively though, headed out anything that came into the Juventus penalty box at set pieces.
Alessandro Del Piero - Offside goal and a decent finish which the keeper saved. Dribbled past a Liverpool player or two but otherwise anonymous.
Gianluca Pessotto - Did Blasi's job much better. Was everywhere, but his passes didn't always go to where they should. Nice sub.
David Trezeguet - Invisible.
Yes Stuart, but Appiah and Thuram wouldnt be alone, Cannavaro would be there too. Also, in defence Zambrotta would track back a bit to ceover the right, and Nedved a bit to cover the left, but the whole point of this tactic is to attack, not defend. Most of theri counter attacks are started by Gerrard's through passes which skip midfield, so IMO it's not that important for Nedved to do a lot of defending.
++ [ originally posted by Ramin ] ++
A head bang is enough for putting Appiah as a defender. The guy cant do his job properly(midfield), and you expect him to be a world beater in defence.
He doesnt have to be a world beater, all he has to do is a simple task, stay with baros and stop their counter attacks, add pace to the defence.
About your first point: Yes, Nedved would have to do some defending, but like I already said, not as much as you think. By attacking them the entire match we would restrict their attacks to counters which skip the midfield anyways. But yes, he would have to do some defending, but IMO it wouldnt be significantly more than he alredy does.
Second: Like I said, most of ther counter attacks would skip midfield, but IMO Emerson could take care of Gerrard.
Thirdly: Yes, I completely agree. However, we got completely beat on pace and sped of theri players, and if we want to avoid it this time we need someone a bit faster than our current defenders to stop their counter attacks. Since we have slow ass defenders, only thing we could do is play a makeshift defender there. I dont like it anymore than you do.
Lastly: I agrre completely, and thate exactly is why I'd put Camoranesi there. They arent used to playing creative attacking midfielders like Camoranesi in the EPL and thats why I think he would be the better choice. He's more creative than Nedved and has better dribbling IMO and would cause havoc in the 'pool defence. Also, by playing Nedved on the wing we'd have a significant threat there as well, as we'd be very fast on the wings, perfect for spreading out the ball on fast counters. We'd be a threath on the flanks and in the middle with Oli and Camo combining together.
Agree, but IMO, as explained above, Camo would be the better choice.
Anyways, I know this will never happen, it's just something I would do.
A head bang is enough for putting Appiah as a defender.
The guy cant do his job properly(midfield), and you expect him to be a world beater in defence.He doesnt have to be a world beater, all he has to do is a simple task, stay with baros and stop their counter attacks, add pace to the defence.
++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Well, I think I agree with your tactics, however I disagree in the most part with the player choices you have made.
The first mistake I see is Nedved all alone on the left flank. If Nedved would be the lone left winger he would be obligated to track back too much for my liking, thus restricting his movement in attack. The last thing you want to do is restrict Nedved's movement and make him worry about the opposing team's wingers. IMO Nedved should be given strictly an attacking role right behind the strikers or roaming around with the other two forwards in attack. Playing Nedved alone on the flank would reduce his attacking capacity, something we do not need or want.
Secondly, the choice of Olivera next to Emerson in this match boggles my mind. If the most threatening pool attacks are coming from their right, why would we field a totally offensive player in left midfield? Albeit a player who is not used to playing in the center? I think Gerrard would have a field day with Olivera.
Thirdly, Appiah at leftback is just hilarious. First I thought that was just a joke post, and I'm still not certain on that account. Appiah would be a huge gamble and probably a liability, considering he makes a lot of stupid fouls and tends to give the ball away too much for my liking. I don't know if Appiah has ever played leftback for a team, however I doubt he would like to experiment in such a crucial match. Nay on Appiah. Sorry Zlatan.
Lastly, Camoranesi behind the strikers seems to be a good idea, however I would rather field Nedved in that role. I also think Mauro could hold down the right flank rather nicely, especially with Pessotto right in behind him.
I would choose something like this:
Buffon
Pessotto - Thuram - Cannavaro
Camoranesi - Emerson - Tacchinardi - Zambrotta
Ibrahimovic - Trezeguet - Nedved
Note: Nedved would not really be playing left-forward, as I would give him the freedon to roam and pick up the ball in midfield. I do not think the Liverpool defense will be able to handle the movement of Nedved, and will cause them many problems if he has the freedom to do so. Our Czech also has the heart to win, so I would give him the freedom to work his magic.
Not sure whether or not to start Del Piero or Trezeguet yet. Let's see over the weekend.
With this setup the flanks would be covered pretty well, and we should be able to cause Liverpool problems at the back. We need to pressure Liverpool into making mistakes and not sit back, because we saw in the second half yesterday what happens when we attack them.
Well, I think I agree with your tactics, however I disagree in the most part with the player choices you have made.
The first mistake I see is Nedved all alone on the left flank. If Nedved would be the lone left winger he would be obligated to track back too much for my liking, thus restricting his movement in attack. The last thing you want to do is restrict Nedved's movement and make him worry about the opposing team's wingers. IMO Nedved should be given strictly an attacking role right behind the strikers or roaming around with the other two forwards in attack. Playing Nedved alone on the flank would reduce his attacking capacity, something we do not need or want.
Secondly, the choice of Olivera next to Emerson in this match boggles my mind. If the most threatening pool attacks are coming from their right, why would we field a totally offensive player in left midfield? Albeit a player who is not used to playing in the center? I think Gerrard would have a field day with Olivera.
Thirdly, Appiah at leftback is just hilarious. First I thought that was just a joke post, and I'm still not certain on that account
. Appiah would be a huge gamble and probably a liability, considering he makes a lot of stupid fouls and tends to give the ball away too much for my liking. I don't know if Appiah has ever played leftback for a team, however I doubt he would like to experiment in such a crucial match. Nay on Appiah. Sorry Zlatan.Lastly, Camoranesi behind the strikers seems to be a good idea, however I would rather field Nedved in that role. I also think Mauro could hold down the right flank rather nicely, especially with Pessotto right in behind him.
I would choose something like this:
Buffon
Pessotto - Thuram - Cannavaro
Camoranesi - Emerson - Tacchinardi - Zambrotta
Ibrahimovic - Trezeguet - Nedved
Note: Nedved would not really be playing left-forward, as I would give him the freedon to roam and pick up the ball in midfield. I do not think the Liverpool defense will be able to handle the movement of Nedved, and will cause them many problems if he has the freedom to do so. Our Czech also has the heart to win, so I would give him the freedom to work his magic.
Not sure whether or not to start Del Piero or Trezeguet yet. Let's see over the weekend.
With this setup the flanks would be covered pretty well, and we should be able to cause Liverpool problems at the back. We need to pressure Liverpool into making mistakes and not sit back, because we saw in the second half yesterday what happens when we attack them.
About your first point: Yes, Nedved would have to do some defending, but like I already said, not as much as you think. By attacking them the entire match we would restrict their attacks to counters which skip the midfield anyways. But yes, he would have to do some defending, but IMO it wouldnt be significantly more than he alredy does.
Second: Like I said, most of ther counter attacks would skip midfield, but IMO Emerson could take care of Gerrard.
Thirdly: Yes, I completely agree. However, we got completely beat on pace and sped of theri players, and if we want to avoid it this time we need someone a bit faster than our current defenders to stop their counter attacks. Since we have slow ass defenders, only thing we could do is play a makeshift defender there. I dont like it anymore than you do.
Lastly: I agrre completely, and thate exactly is why I'd put Camoranesi there. They arent used to playing creative attacking midfielders like Camoranesi in the EPL and thats why I think he would be the better choice. He's more creative than Nedved and has better dribbling IMO and would cause havoc in the 'pool defence. Also, by playing Nedved on the wing we'd have a significant threat there as well, as we'd be very fast on the wings, perfect for spreading out the ball on fast counters. We'd be a threath on the flanks and in the middle with Oli and Camo combining together.
Agree, but IMO, as explained above, Camo would be the better choice.
Anyways, I know this will never happen, it's just something I would do.
