[CL] Juventus - Liverpool (41 Viewers)
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Whatever...
All the Milanista are going to be gloating now, and that's what gets to me really.
I'd rather one of the English won it than Milan... my preffered choice'd be PSV, but I really don't see them in that final.
Of the semi draw, the only team that can challenge the Milan on paper at least is Chel$ki.
But then, maybe they should win it so that Moggi et al will know that you need money to do well.
All the Milanista are going to be gloating now, and that's what gets to me really.
I'd rather one of the English won it than Milan... my preffered choice'd be PSV, but I really don't see them in that final.
Of the semi draw, the only team that can challenge the Milan on paper at least is Chel$ki.
But then, maybe they should win it so that Moggi et al will know that you need money to do well.
Champions' League Quarter-Final, 2nd leg - 13/4/05
Juventus 0 - 0 Liverpool (1-2 agg)
Stadio delle Alpi
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Juve are out of Europe after another dismal performance against Liverpool that failed to bring the goal they needed.
Juventus had to win this match after losing the first leg 2-1 at Anfield with a dreadful first half performance. David Trezeguet was again out of action, while Jonathan Zebina was also injured, so Fabio Capello switched to a new three-man defence. Liverpool brought Jerzy Dudek back to stand between the posts, but were without injured talisman Steven Gerrard.
The tension was high in Turin in Liverpool's first visit here since the Heysel disaster in 1985. A section of Juve supporters turned their backs on the statements of 'friendship' at Anfield last week and there were slight scuffles before kick-off.
There was a golden opportunity for Juve after 11 minutes when Gianluca Zambrotta went out wide and put in a fine cross for Zlatan Ibrahimovic, but despite pulling away from his marker, the Swede somehow managed to blaze over from six yards.
As with the last round against Real Madrid, where they had to win 2-0 in order to qualify, Juventus seemed to be in no rush and tried to patiently break Liverpool down with a very slow tempo. However, Gigi Buffon was alert to rush off his line and close down Luis Garcia when he sprung the offside trap.
The Juve fans were further agitated as the majority of the early decisions from the Russian referee went in favour of the visiting team. He did turn on Liverpool after persistent time-wasting and Xabi Alonso was booked.
Emerson latched on to a corner kick that was held up by Ibrahimovic, but his shot was charged down by Sami Hyypia. There was controversy on 35 minutes when Alessandro Del Piero threaded through for Pavel Nedved, but he was halted for an incorrect offside flag.
Emerson gave the ball away to Milan Baros in a dangerous position, but Lilian Thuram was able to smother the situation.
Emerson and Nedved rifled off target from a corner kick as Juve continued to play at a staggeringly slow tempo and the frustration was becoming evident as the clock ticked on towards half-time.
Fabio Capello had to make a change and introduced striker Marcelo Zalayeta for the disappointing Ruben Olivera, moving to a 3-4-3 system with Del Piero pushing out wide on the left.
But this left more space for Liverpool at the back and Milan Baros skipped past Paolo Montero so he was one on one with Buffon, but managed to pull his shot inches wide of an open goal.
This scared the Bianconeri and they finally began to raise the tempo. Zalayeta knocked down a corner kick for Ibrahimovic, whose bicycle-kick was charged down from seven yards.
Liverpool also made a change, introducing Vladimir Smicer for Antonio Nunez. The first save Dudek actually had to make was from a timid Emerson header from Camoranesi's free kick after all of 64 minutes of play.
Soon afer, Dudek had to time his run well as he plucked Camoranesi's cross off the head of Ibrahimovic. At the other end, Fabio Cannavaro's perfectly weighted intervention prevented a Baros counter-attack.
Ibrahimovic, Zambrotta and Emerson went into the book and the Brazilian will miss the next European game. Dudek was tested by a Camoranesi free kick, coming out to punch it away.
Djibril Cisse' was surprisingly brought on for the final 15 minutes - three months earlier than expected after his leg was badly broken in October.
Juve wasted another good chance when Emerson blazed so wide it went out for a throw-in, but on 78 minutes the Delle Alpi held its collective breath. A Del Piero free kick found Cannavaro at the back post, but Traore got the last touch and hit the ball on to his own upright. Juve felt the ball had crossed the line before Dudek's scrambled save, but replays suggest it had not.
Hyypia had scored in the first leg and was allowed a completely free header when Thuram slipped, but it was over the bar.
Time was running out and with 8 minutes to go Gianluca Pessotto came on for Montero, while Stephen Appiah replaced Camoranesi.
Del Piero curled a free kick straight into the arms of Dudek and another incorrect offside decision went against Zambrotta, as when Ibrahimovic's pass was deflected off Le Tallec, the fullback was level.
There were three minutes of stoppages and a Dudek-Hyypia misunderstanding caused panic in the Liverpool area, but they held on for the victory that books a semi-final date with Chelsea.
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Juventus 0 - 0 Liverpool (1-2 agg)
Stadio delle Alpi
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Juve are out of Europe after another dismal performance against Liverpool that failed to bring the goal they needed.
Juventus had to win this match after losing the first leg 2-1 at Anfield with a dreadful first half performance. David Trezeguet was again out of action, while Jonathan Zebina was also injured, so Fabio Capello switched to a new three-man defence. Liverpool brought Jerzy Dudek back to stand between the posts, but were without injured talisman Steven Gerrard.
The tension was high in Turin in Liverpool's first visit here since the Heysel disaster in 1985. A section of Juve supporters turned their backs on the statements of 'friendship' at Anfield last week and there were slight scuffles before kick-off.
There was a golden opportunity for Juve after 11 minutes when Gianluca Zambrotta went out wide and put in a fine cross for Zlatan Ibrahimovic, but despite pulling away from his marker, the Swede somehow managed to blaze over from six yards.
As with the last round against Real Madrid, where they had to win 2-0 in order to qualify, Juventus seemed to be in no rush and tried to patiently break Liverpool down with a very slow tempo. However, Gigi Buffon was alert to rush off his line and close down Luis Garcia when he sprung the offside trap.
The Juve fans were further agitated as the majority of the early decisions from the Russian referee went in favour of the visiting team. He did turn on Liverpool after persistent time-wasting and Xabi Alonso was booked.
Emerson latched on to a corner kick that was held up by Ibrahimovic, but his shot was charged down by Sami Hyypia. There was controversy on 35 minutes when Alessandro Del Piero threaded through for Pavel Nedved, but he was halted for an incorrect offside flag.
Emerson gave the ball away to Milan Baros in a dangerous position, but Lilian Thuram was able to smother the situation.
Emerson and Nedved rifled off target from a corner kick as Juve continued to play at a staggeringly slow tempo and the frustration was becoming evident as the clock ticked on towards half-time.
Fabio Capello had to make a change and introduced striker Marcelo Zalayeta for the disappointing Ruben Olivera, moving to a 3-4-3 system with Del Piero pushing out wide on the left.
But this left more space for Liverpool at the back and Milan Baros skipped past Paolo Montero so he was one on one with Buffon, but managed to pull his shot inches wide of an open goal.
This scared the Bianconeri and they finally began to raise the tempo. Zalayeta knocked down a corner kick for Ibrahimovic, whose bicycle-kick was charged down from seven yards.
Liverpool also made a change, introducing Vladimir Smicer for Antonio Nunez. The first save Dudek actually had to make was from a timid Emerson header from Camoranesi's free kick after all of 64 minutes of play.
Soon afer, Dudek had to time his run well as he plucked Camoranesi's cross off the head of Ibrahimovic. At the other end, Fabio Cannavaro's perfectly weighted intervention prevented a Baros counter-attack.
Ibrahimovic, Zambrotta and Emerson went into the book and the Brazilian will miss the next European game. Dudek was tested by a Camoranesi free kick, coming out to punch it away.
Djibril Cisse' was surprisingly brought on for the final 15 minutes - three months earlier than expected after his leg was badly broken in October.
Juve wasted another good chance when Emerson blazed so wide it went out for a throw-in, but on 78 minutes the Delle Alpi held its collective breath. A Del Piero free kick found Cannavaro at the back post, but Traore got the last touch and hit the ball on to his own upright. Juve felt the ball had crossed the line before Dudek's scrambled save, but replays suggest it had not.
Hyypia had scored in the first leg and was allowed a completely free header when Thuram slipped, but it was over the bar.
Time was running out and with 8 minutes to go Gianluca Pessotto came on for Montero, while Stephen Appiah replaced Camoranesi.
Del Piero curled a free kick straight into the arms of Dudek and another incorrect offside decision went against Zambrotta, as when Ibrahimovic's pass was deflected off Le Tallec, the fullback was level.
There were three minutes of stoppages and a Dudek-Hyypia misunderstanding caused panic in the Liverpool area, but they held on for the victory that books a semi-final date with Chelsea.
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Capello praises Liverpool Wednesday 13 April, 2005
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Fabio Capello insists the Bianconeri gave everything they had to reach the Champions’ League semi-finals, but were outplayed by Liverpool.
“We must admit that Liverpool defended solidly and were unstoppable in the air. They deserved to qualify,” conceded the Coach after two poor displays sealed their exit.
Juventus needed to win 1-0 at the Delle Alpi after losing the first leg 2-1, but played with a low tempo and rarely tested goalkeeper Jerzy Dudek, only hitting the woodwork with Fabio Cannavaro’s late header.
“We gave everything we had and performed well enough, hoping to snatch a goal from somewhere, but unfortunately we were unable to score. Liverpool are a tough team to face. We knew that when they close up and go on the counter-attack they are at their best and we couldn’t find a way through this attentive defence. Sami Hyypia was particularly marvellous.”
Nobody knows that more than Capello, who was already eliminated twice by the Anfield outfit during his time at Roma. He had urged patience, a tactic that worked against Real Madrid in the last round, but the clock ticked away all too quickly.
“Liverpool play with one upfront and are constantly trying to crowd us out. We were able to create more chances at Anfield precisely because they were willing to attack, whereas now it wasn’t in their interests to do so.”
Aside from tactical considerations, it was a psychologically limp performance from the players who barely got out of first gear.
“I don’t feel it right to blame the lads, as it was a very balanced game and our opponents kept us on our toes with the threat of the counter-attack,” continued the Coach. “That’s why they’ve done very well away from home this season.”
The Italian Press has already turned on Capello’s side after a sluggish performance against an opponent they were expected to eliminate comfortably and the lack of alternatives in the squad was clear for all to see.
“David Trezeguet is a goal poacher who makes the difference in the area and would’ve been very valuable in this match, but he wasn’t available and we had to deal with that.”
Milan are now the only remaining Serie A representative in the Champions’ League and will face PSV Eindhoven after they won a penalty shoot-out with favourites Lyon. Liverpool go into an all-Premiership semi-final with Chelsea.
I DONT THINK THAT WE DID WHAT WE HAD TO DO
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Fabio Capello insists the Bianconeri gave everything they had to reach the Champions’ League semi-finals, but were outplayed by Liverpool.
“We must admit that Liverpool defended solidly and were unstoppable in the air. They deserved to qualify,” conceded the Coach after two poor displays sealed their exit.
Juventus needed to win 1-0 at the Delle Alpi after losing the first leg 2-1, but played with a low tempo and rarely tested goalkeeper Jerzy Dudek, only hitting the woodwork with Fabio Cannavaro’s late header.
“We gave everything we had and performed well enough, hoping to snatch a goal from somewhere, but unfortunately we were unable to score. Liverpool are a tough team to face. We knew that when they close up and go on the counter-attack they are at their best and we couldn’t find a way through this attentive defence. Sami Hyypia was particularly marvellous.”
Nobody knows that more than Capello, who was already eliminated twice by the Anfield outfit during his time at Roma. He had urged patience, a tactic that worked against Real Madrid in the last round, but the clock ticked away all too quickly.
“Liverpool play with one upfront and are constantly trying to crowd us out. We were able to create more chances at Anfield precisely because they were willing to attack, whereas now it wasn’t in their interests to do so.”
Aside from tactical considerations, it was a psychologically limp performance from the players who barely got out of first gear.
“I don’t feel it right to blame the lads, as it was a very balanced game and our opponents kept us on our toes with the threat of the counter-attack,” continued the Coach. “That’s why they’ve done very well away from home this season.”
The Italian Press has already turned on Capello’s side after a sluggish performance against an opponent they were expected to eliminate comfortably and the lack of alternatives in the squad was clear for all to see.
“David Trezeguet is a goal poacher who makes the difference in the area and would’ve been very valuable in this match, but he wasn’t available and we had to deal with that.”
Milan are now the only remaining Serie A representative in the Champions’ League and will face PSV Eindhoven after they won a penalty shoot-out with favourites Lyon. Liverpool go into an all-Premiership semi-final with Chelsea.
I DONT THINK THAT WE DID WHAT WE HAD TO DO
I am disappointed and not angry because we did not get to the performance that meet this match , when capello said that we must be patient i did not believe it will be like this
i am angry only because only zlatan , camo and thuram played and the rest did nothing especially DP AND NEDVED:down:
anyway neither liverpool or juve will get the cup cause chelsea and milan is stronger , so we had no chance anyway , BUT IT IS SHAMEFUL TO KNOCK REAL OUT THEN TO BE KNOCKED BY THE FIFTH TEAM IN THE EPL:down:
i am angry only because only zlatan , camo and thuram played and the rest did nothing especially DP AND NEDVED:down:
anyway neither liverpool or juve will get the cup cause chelsea and milan is stronger , so we had no chance anyway , BUT IT IS SHAMEFUL TO KNOCK REAL OUT THEN TO BE KNOCKED BY THE FIFTH TEAM IN THE EPL:down:
Firstly congrats to Liverpool. You deserved to go through.I completely agree with you Swag, I was looking at it from a financial point of view. A big thankyou to most Liverpool fans as they have been excellent.
Lastly I would love for AC Milan to win it and maintain the Italian reputation although am sure it will be hard for me to live under a constant barrage of Incubo's mocking. But that ultimately is better than any other barrage .....
Lastly I would love for AC Milan to win it and maintain the Italian reputation although am sure it will be hard for me to live under a constant barrage of Incubo's mocking. But that ultimately is better than any other barrage .....
I hope this teach that we souldnt play the long balls,
we arent good enough to win an English team playing their game,
why we are always doing this,
for years and years i am repeating this,
stop those desperate hopeless long balls,
are they all so blind and cant see it?
is cap so crap?
DP said before the match we will put the ball down and play with fast passes.
but i believe the lack of a creative midfielder give us no choice,
our players cant dribble throught others teams players,
they see a wall in front of them, so they throw the ball over the wall hopping a juve player will catch it from the other side.
Cap prooved yesterday that we can close our back, using the known tactics and as i said it back we conceded those2goals by tactical more than individual errors.
When all the team is affected most of the times its coaches fault,
if not then its mental problem, we were not as determined as we were against real, but again its the coach the one who sould motivate our players.
This was the price to have new coach, new players(free, too young or too old and v.cheap),
new tactics, injury prones key players like treze, an emo who dreams of real and a neddy who wonna quit,
all the press of the world putting pressure on the refs not to make a mistake that might help juve
and now luck.
We cant change our luck but we can change the rest,
Tamoil's money would do the job.
Now we dont have any excuses to say when we will loose the champ
we arent good enough to win an English team playing their game,
why we are always doing this,
for years and years i am repeating this,
stop those desperate hopeless long balls,
are they all so blind and cant see it?
is cap so crap?
DP said before the match we will put the ball down and play with fast passes.
but i believe the lack of a creative midfielder give us no choice,
our players cant dribble throught others teams players,
they see a wall in front of them, so they throw the ball over the wall hopping a juve player will catch it from the other side.
Cap prooved yesterday that we can close our back, using the known tactics and as i said it back we conceded those2goals by tactical more than individual errors.
When all the team is affected most of the times its coaches fault,
if not then its mental problem, we were not as determined as we were against real, but again its the coach the one who sould motivate our players.
This was the price to have new coach, new players(free, too young or too old and v.cheap),
new tactics, injury prones key players like treze, an emo who dreams of real and a neddy who wonna quit,
all the press of the world putting pressure on the refs not to make a mistake that might help juve
and now luck.
We cant change our luck but we can change the rest,
Tamoil's money would do the job.
Now we dont have any excuses to say when we will loose the champ
You got that right buddy.....just like 80% of u were bragging when Milan lost to Messina at the start of the season ans when u were ahead by 8 points.........
Liverpool was so lucky that this game wasnt in the Serie A because the ref's would have giuven Juve 3 or 4 goals from penalties.....so no cheatin in CL....this is the competition where the real 'great' teams are decided....and Juve just isnt one.
Liverpool was so lucky that this game wasnt in the Serie A because the ref's would have giuven Juve 3 or 4 goals from penalties.....so no cheatin in CL....this is the competition where the real 'great' teams are decided....and Juve just isnt one.
Del Piero: We made mistakes
Posted by Alex | Football Italia
Alessandro Del Piero has analysed the reasons behind the limp performances that saw Juve slump out of Europe.
“I don’t know what went wrong, but this was a difficult game because Liverpool had no intention of taking risks and then we were perhaps less consistent than usual, pushing forward only in bursts,” said the captain after the 0-0 draw put the Premiership side through 2-1 on aggregate.
Fabio Capello started with a three-man defence to make up for Jonathan Zebina’s absence through injury, then switched to a trident attack, but Liverpool continued to control the midfield.
“It was right to experiment with a few systems, as we couldn’t find space to put crosses in or create chances. It didn’t work, but we had to try. A tie is lost over two legs and the games were very different. If we had scored a goal today then the entire match would’ve changed, both on their part and ours, but we can’t talk about ifs and buts now.”
Juventus had played possibly the worst game of their season during the first half at Anfield Road, but did enough in the second to suggest they could turn the tie around in Turin.
“We weren’t aggressive and couldn’t keep them under sustained pressure, so clearly something was missing tonight,” added a disappointed Del Piero.
Ruben Olivera was particularly poor and was substituted at half-time, while Emerson had clearly not fully recovered from a hip problem.
“It’s easy to look at the game with hindsight, but at the end of the day we are very upset because we took a different approach to Liverpool and I don’t believe we were the worse team after two legs. It’s a real shame to go out against a side that was within our grasp.”
This performance has again brought up the issue of Juve’s thin squad this season, as mass sales have left Capello with few real alternatives to his favoured eleven.
“I think the Juve players who haven’t had as much room this season proved their professionalism and were always ready when called into action,” insisted Del Piero. “The reasoning behind our exit isn’t just a physical, psychological or tactical issue, but we can say this was not our best performance.”
Milan are the only remaining Italian contenders for the trophy and will face PSV Eindhoven in the semi-final on April 26, while Chelsea take on Liverpool.
“As far as prestige goes then I’d say the Final should be Chelsea-Milan, but the Champions’ League has taught us that any team can win. Now we have to bring our anger at the exit to the Serie A campaign and try to pour that into the Scudetto race.
Posted by Alex | Football Italia
Alessandro Del Piero has analysed the reasons behind the limp performances that saw Juve slump out of Europe.
“I don’t know what went wrong, but this was a difficult game because Liverpool had no intention of taking risks and then we were perhaps less consistent than usual, pushing forward only in bursts,” said the captain after the 0-0 draw put the Premiership side through 2-1 on aggregate.
Fabio Capello started with a three-man defence to make up for Jonathan Zebina’s absence through injury, then switched to a trident attack, but Liverpool continued to control the midfield.
“It was right to experiment with a few systems, as we couldn’t find space to put crosses in or create chances. It didn’t work, but we had to try. A tie is lost over two legs and the games were very different. If we had scored a goal today then the entire match would’ve changed, both on their part and ours, but we can’t talk about ifs and buts now.”
Juventus had played possibly the worst game of their season during the first half at Anfield Road, but did enough in the second to suggest they could turn the tie around in Turin.
“We weren’t aggressive and couldn’t keep them under sustained pressure, so clearly something was missing tonight,” added a disappointed Del Piero.
Ruben Olivera was particularly poor and was substituted at half-time, while Emerson had clearly not fully recovered from a hip problem.
“It’s easy to look at the game with hindsight, but at the end of the day we are very upset because we took a different approach to Liverpool and I don’t believe we were the worse team after two legs. It’s a real shame to go out against a side that was within our grasp.”
This performance has again brought up the issue of Juve’s thin squad this season, as mass sales have left Capello with few real alternatives to his favoured eleven.
“I think the Juve players who haven’t had as much room this season proved their professionalism and were always ready when called into action,” insisted Del Piero. “The reasoning behind our exit isn’t just a physical, psychological or tactical issue, but we can say this was not our best performance.”
Milan are the only remaining Italian contenders for the trophy and will face PSV Eindhoven in the semi-final on April 26, while Chelsea take on Liverpool.
“As far as prestige goes then I’d say the Final should be Chelsea-Milan, but the Champions’ League has taught us that any team can win. Now we have to bring our anger at the exit to the Serie A campaign and try to pour that into the Scudetto race.
i would say to t dp and the rest of theam...where are ur balls?? didn treally look like they wanted it...only reall canna rambo and emo really wanted it...everybody ele ws happy to jus wander about and hoof it up the pitch...shcokingly bad performcance again...........trez and dp...the time has come.