[CL] Juventus 3-2 Porto [March 9th, 2021] (7 Viewers)

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juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
15,465
For the first time since 2004-05, neither Cristiano Ronaldo nor Lionel Messi are in the Champions League quarter-finals, marking perhaps the end of an era.

Juventus were eliminated in the Round of 16 by FC Porto on away goals after extra time.

This evening, Barcelona failed to overturn the 4-1 first leg home defeat to PSG.

Messi scored a stunning goal in Paris tonight, but also saw his penalty pushed onto the crossbar by Keylor Navas.

In the 2004-05 season, Messi made just one appearance for Barcelona in their Champions League group phase, a 2-0 defeat to Shakhtar Donetsk on December 7, 2004.

The Blaugrana went out at the first hurdle in that campaign.

As for Ronaldo, he played seven games for Manchester United that year, providing two assists and scoring no goals.

The Red Devils were eliminated by Milan at the Round of 16 with 1-0 results both home and away.
 

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sgjuveboy

Senior Member
Oct 31, 2012
2,723
It's just the way world is. In team sports, you get paid for showing up to training while being on 5 year contract but when it comes to individual sports, your paycheck is totally up to the results. Our players are just showing up to the training to collect that fat salary with no dignity. You can see the trend with these Martials, Pogba's, Rashford's, Berna's, Alex Sandro's, Dybala's etc. Full of nothing but individuals who are completely happy with what they have, knowing that they get paid regardless. Fucking Rashford is putting his time for making world a better place in the expense of his company he's working at(man utd) while sitting at 2+2 last 12 games or something. Pogba is on IG, Martial does not give a fuck and looks like he could take 2 year break from football at any given minute, Berna has been lost for years, Alex Sandro is playing for his family on Brazil and Dybala just can't ever get fit because it fucking sucks to put your body through intense training. It's way easier to cut down the jogging from 10 miles to 5, it's easier to cut the gym, cheat on the reps and never going out of your comfort zone, it just generally feels better when you're soft. That's what this world is full of, a soft individuals who are just showing up on the training and getting paid for doing nothing.

There's thousands of players doing that and the more you make, the softer you become. It ain't no wonder when Porto with hungry young talents who are trying to make their way up to the big paychecks are giving everything while we're already there.
Except CR7 who strives for perfection. We really do not deserve him
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,403
Like I said have an elite unit. We dont need to beat a bad team 4-0 to prove we are dominant but we do need to return to the day where playing Spezia meant not worrying about points while resting players
You are both partially correct. Neither is enough on its own, you need to be regularly dominating teams to build the right habits and make them second nature so that you are not trying to suddenly play an aggressive high tempo for the first time after months of being passive. At the same time you need to have an elite unit and some luck to win the CL.

Triathlon runners spend months training up to it and getting their bodies used to it before the event itself. It makes no sense to try to go from zero to 100 the day of the event. It will almost always fail.
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
77,181
Ive said it before and ill say it again. Until we start destroying teams in Serie A we are never winning CHL. We are satisfied with 2-0 win over Torino. If we score early in the league we stop playing. After we went up 2-1 last night somehow there was no urgency. Other teams would put 4 or 5 goals. We were happy with 2-1. It looked like we wanted to play penalties.
I don’t think that’s entirely true tbh. We had plenty of chances to score after going up 2-1. We had the Ronaldo header, Morata offside, Chiesa post and Cuadrado crossbar. I think we tried our best to wrap up the result in the 90 mins.

The problem was ET. We looked as bad in ET as we did in the first half of the game. We looked tired, jaded and out of ideas again. Imo it looked like we were the ones playing with 10 men away from home. We barely had any clear cut chances on goal, Porto came close to scoring twice and then eventually scored a totally inevitable winner off a non-existent free kick.

Totally expected us to lose this game once it reached extra time. I just thought it’d be losing in a shootout.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
31,856
the problem is too many times we attempt comebacks.

how many times have we succeeded? in the recent times only once vs atheltico and thats due to a superhuman ronaldo.

vs bayern in 2016 comeback failed.
vs madrid in 2018 comeback failed
vs lyon in 2020 comeback failed.
vs porto 2021 comeback failed.


realistically you are more likely to fail second leg if you lost the first leg. but we never learn. always repeating same mistakes and looking nervous in first legs.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
31,856
you know what the saddest part is losing to porto and lyon?

they aren't even the best teams in their own leagues when we faced them. lyon was struggling in ligue 1 and porto might not get any european football this year.

so not only are they "smaller" league teams, they aren't even the best in their own leagues.

yet we still lost badly
 

juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
15,465
you know what the saddest part is losing to porto and lyon?

they aren't even the best teams in their own leagues when we faced them. lyon was struggling in ligue 1 and porto might not get any european football this year.

so not only are they "smaller" league teams, they aren't even the best in their own leagues.

yet we still lost badly
Even Liverpool are struggling in Premier league but still beat Leipzig who are two points behind Bayern Munich in the bundesliga I think Italian football has not changed in regard slow build up play slow passing and no off the ball movement at
 

sgjuveboy

Senior Member
Oct 31, 2012
2,723
you know what the saddest part is losing to porto and lyon?

they aren't even the best teams in their own leagues when we faced them. lyon was struggling in ligue 1 and porto might not get any european football this year.

so not only are they "smaller" league teams, they aren't even the best in their own leagues.

yet we still lost badly

You know why? None of these ‘small’ teams have Italian DNA running in their staff’s veins.
Even their chef from their cookhouse is more of a winner than anyone from our team, bar Cr7.
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
72,462
you know what the saddest part is losing to porto and lyon?

they aren't even the best teams in their own leagues when we faced them. lyon was struggling in ligue 1 and porto might not get any european football this year.

so not only are they "smaller" league teams, they aren't even the best in their own leagues.

yet we still lost badly
CL is nothing to do with domestic leagues. Porto came here not needing to win the game, and they didn't, they lost, but went through.
 
Oct 23, 2011
3,676
the problem is too many times we attempt comebacks.

how many times have we succeeded? in the recent times only once vs atheltico and thats due to a superhuman ronaldo.

vs bayern in 2016 comeback failed.
vs madrid in 2018 comeback failed
vs lyon in 2020 comeback failed.
vs porto 2021 comeback failed.


realistically you are more likely to fail second leg if you lost the first leg. but we never learn. always repeating same mistakes and looking nervous in first legs.
I agree, but you know who also has to attempts comebacks? Most of the other 15 teams that get knocked out in the knock-out stages at some point. Look at our record in 2015 for example, we won all our first games against Dortmund, Real, and Monaco. Same in 2017, winning against Porto, Monaco against and Barca. Its often that teams who lose the first round of a tie end up getting eliminated.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
15,871
CL is nothing to do with domestic leagues. Porto came here not needing to win the game, and they didn't, they lost, but went through.
They could have been given another 180 minutes and even then the same result would have happened. They were organised, we cant cross, pass fast, nor shoot on target bar chiesa and bottom line is, this tie meant more to Porto than it did for us.
 

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