[CL] JUVENTUS 1-3 Barcelona (June 6th, 2015) (21 Viewers)

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v1rtu4l

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Mar 4, 2008
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You don't say anything precise in your post about comparing this two players.However comparing Del Piero and Adriano is beyond awful.Brutal force Pogba????? Okay.I am down with the result I don't want to argue.POgba is unique.Veratti you can find that type of player almost easy.
sorry that i did expect you to have enough comparative skills to see the analogy yourself.
Del Piero had very good technique but never the benefit of being physically stronger and faster than his opponents, so he had to use not only his skill but also his brain to outsmart the enemy, same goes for veratti, he is physically inferior to the enemy but still comes out on top because of pure pirlo-esque skill.
Adriano had (for that time) very good technique and a good strong build so he could physically at least withstand the enemy defenders and not get dwarfed by the physicallity. this led to him just relying on his very strong shot and physicallity to score a lot of goals. he never needed to use his (small peasant) brain, because his physique was enough, just like pogba. he has great physique and his long limps combined with his technique make it too easy for him to cover the ball against the enemy. point here is, pogba gets the ball and two opponents approach him trying to get the ball, pogbas confidence tells him he can keep the ball at his foot anyways so he hussles, making fun of the enemy probably coming out on top, but when pogba actually got rid off the two players, the rest of the opponents defense had enough time to reorganize again. veratti on the other hand would already know where he would like the ball to go to before he gets the ball. he would see the two opponents approach, do a quick body feint at maximum to get a channel to play into and play the ball with his first touch over the defense for one of our players to be through on goal.

the thing is, just because you have the ability to show off and cover the ball does not mean you should do it. dribbling in the middle of the pitch is useless, because there is likely to be someone that is further forward, so to create danger you can bring to ball there by passing it instead of dribbling with 5 miles per hour.

and saying that it would be easy to get a similar player like veratti is just bollocks. i think veratti right now is better than pirlo was at that age (pirlo had huge struggles in inter and could not properly play as trequartista) and i do not know anybody at this age that has his passing ability. please name only one player that is comparable to veratti.

i will even help you with this link: http://www.whoscored.com/Players/91961/Show/Marco-Verratti
good luck finding a player that has a higher 91.5% passing success ratio and he has nearly double the amount of passes per game than pogba.

don't get me wrong: i do not want to get rid of pogba, but i think with pogba we will have an excellent player on one position, while i feel the impact of veratti could be on all other players as well


i know that dribbling and scoring screamers does look great and you probably think that this is the most important in football, but that is really the simple mans opinion. football is first and foremost a team game and that means for me that passing is a much more important part of the game. do you think barca does score so many goals because they have the best dribblers and shooters in the world ? you could very well see that even though messi, neymar and suarez are all better dribblers and shooters of the ball than pogba, all of them prefered move alot and pass i.e play one-twos instead of trying to dribble into defenders, because football is what you can do together as team and not what one guy can do with a ball.
 

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Zacheryah

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I think he's talking about right before their 2-1 counter attack, buddy.

Pogba got clipped, dropped down into something like a lunge position (iirc), and off Barca went.
Exactly that, was a foul not given and barelona scored as a result

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00:39, fouled.


2 fouls not given in the space of barely half a minute, is the difference between 2-1 and 1-2
 

swag

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Right... If that Pogba penalty appeal was turned down at the other end for a foul on Neymar or Suarez, and we had won, we all know the entire football world would be shouting that we paid off UEFA and the referees.

But that would never happen, because we all know our players would never be allowed to tackle Neymar or Suarez in the box without ceding a penalty.
There's a fine line between examining what went wrong and being a sore loser to an opponent that bettered you.
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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Arguing ref calls after getting fairly beaten by an unarguably stronger club. :sergio:
Nothing wrong with that. It was our chance and we were so close, and we were denied a clear penalty in a UCL final game; I can't help being pissed at how that mistake entirely changed the course of the game. Fairly beaten by an unarguably stronger club? This is the exact same attitude our players showed in the first half. No, we were not beaten fairly and yes, we were as deserved to be in the final as was Barca. Teams might well stop showing up against Barca if Barca's being unarguably stronger club (than anybody else) should mean shit in the final game of champions league. Too bad our players also thought Barca was the unarguably stronger team, so intimidating that we had to show that much respect in the first half.

Nice job done by the squad, and I'm really proud and thankful but we could have won this game if the ref had given us that call.
 

king Ale

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Greg, Barca can and will better any opponent, but you know what, that's exactly why a mistake such as what the ref made last night matters much more than when it happens at an average Juve-Napoli game.
 

DUKAC

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Feb 29, 2012
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sorry that i did expect you to have enough comparative skills to see the analogy yourself.
Del Piero had very good technique but never the benefit of being physically stronger and faster than his opponents, so he had to use not only his skill but also his brain to outsmart the enemy, same goes for veratti, he is physically inferior to the enemy but still comes out on top because of pure pirlo-esque skill.
Adriano had (for that time) very good technique and a good strong build so he could physically at least withstand the enemy defenders and not get dwarfed by the physicallity. this led to him just relying on his very strong shot and physicallity to score a lot of goals. he never needed to use his (small peasant) brain, because his physique was enough, just like pogba. he has great physique and his long limps combined with his technique make it too easy for him to cover the ball against the enemy. point here is, pogba gets the ball and two opponents approach him trying to get the ball, pogbas confidence tells him he can keep the ball at his foot anyways so he hussles, making fun of the enemy probably coming out on top, but when pogba actually got rid off the two players, the rest of the opponents defense had enough time to reorganize again. veratti on the other hand would already know where he would like the ball to go to before he gets the ball. he would see the two opponents approach, do a quick body feint at maximum to get a channel to play into and play the ball with his first touch over the defense for one of our players to be through on goal.

the thing is, just because you have the ability to show off and cover the ball does not mean you should do it. dribbling in the middle of the pitch is useless, because there is likely to be someone that is further forward, so to create danger you can bring to ball there by passing it instead of dribbling with 5 miles per hour.

and saying that it would be easy to get a similar player like veratti is just bollocks. i think veratti right now is better than pirlo was at that age (pirlo had huge struggles in inter and could not properly play as trequartista) and i do not know anybody at this age that has his passing ability. please name only one player that is comparable to veratti.

i know that dribbling and scoring screamers does look great and you probably think that this is the most important in football, but that is really the simple mans opinion. football is first and foremost a team game and that means for me that passing is a much more important part of the game. do you think barca does score so many goals because they have the best dribblers and shooters in the world ? you could very well see that even though messi, neymar and suarez are all better dribblers and shooters of the ball than pogba, all of them prefered move alot and pass i.e play one-twos instead of trying to dribble into defenders, because football is what you can do together as team and not what one guy can do with a ball.
Wall of text.Now you are comparing Adriano with Pogba .Attacker with midfield player ?????? .As I posted already .I don't wanna argue.You say that Messi and Neymar don't dribble????? What they do ?Defend?If anybody in the world of football dribble they are Messi and Neymar.I will repeat Pogba is a better player than that midget Verrati at least twice in every aspect of the game:technique,passes,goals and most important defense .You can't be serious with this comparing and this examples.But anyway I have mine opinion you keep yours.I don't have any problem with that.I am not impressed with Pogba.Whole world is.There are some good videos in Pogba thread.Maybe you can find time to check them.
 

swag

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Nothing wrong with that. It was our chance and we were so close, and we were denied a clear penalty in a UCL final game; I can't help being pissed at how that mistake entirely changed the course of the game. Fairly beaten by an unarguably stronger club? This is the exact same attitude our players showed in the first half. No, we were not beaten fairly and yes, we were as deserved to be in the final as was Barca. Teams might well stop showing up against Barca if Barca's being unarguably stronger club (than anybody else) should mean shit in the final game of champions league. Too bad our players also thought Barca was the unarguably stronger team, so intimidating that we had to show that much respect in the first half.

Nice job done by the squad, and I'm really proud and thankful but we could have won this game if the ref had given us that call.
Some would argue, myself included, that when we gained confidence in the second half after the equalizer is what got us into real trouble -- stretching our defense out when seeking a go-ahead that ultimately made Buffon face multiple 5-on-3 and 5-on-2 runs that ultimately gave Barca the match winner. So I would say the reverse could be true: we didn't give Barca enough respect in the second half.
 

swag

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Greg, Barca can and will better any opponent, but you know what, that's exactly why a mistake such as what the ref made last night matters much more than when it happens at an average Juve-Napoli game.
We can scapegoat Pirlo playing, we can scapegoat the ref all we want. It doesn't change the outcome. It doesn't change what was probably the correct outcome in the better team winning. It just makes us look whiny and pathetic like a bunch of fans on the Inter forums who cannot graciously accept a defeat without coming up with a litany of excuses of things to blame but ourselves.
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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Some would argue, myself included, that when we gained confidence in the second half after the equalizer is what got us into real trouble -- stretching our defense out when seeking a go-ahead that ultimately made Buffon face multiple 5-on-3 and 5-on-2 runs that ultimately gave Barca the match winner. So I would say the reverse could be true: we didn't give Barca enough respect in the second half.
What we got in return for that much of respect shown to Barca was losing the game and failing to realize our actual potential so I don't understand your point.
 
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