[CL FINAL] JUVENTUS 1-4 Real Madrid [3rd June, 2017] (16 Viewers)

[Stephan]

Idk, don't really follow them.

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Phrozen i seem to recall we trained harder under Conte. Allegri actually took a slightly different approach there. Conte was the one who was nuts about training and giving ur all every session.

Ive heard from some football podcast spanish journalist say that Simeone has very strict training policy. Thats another reason i dont think he is suited to many clubs if he would leave Atletico.

 

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[venus_isle]

Guys guys...

We will win next year.

Hear my theory. We have 11 years cycle on winning UCL.

1985 - Won
1996 - Won
2007 - We were suppose to win this year, but calciopoli happened. Remember how crazy our squad in 2006?
2018 - We will win it guys

Bookmark this post, cause next year someone will need to requote this

 

[Salvo]

Damn it feels so surreal, we seemed so strong at times this year.

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[PhRoZeN]

I would never blame it on deflected goals, the more you shoot at goal the bigger your chances to get a defelection goal.

Real was playing much better than us in 2nd even before the 2nd goal.

And yeah, I can't sleep either.

Fair point but how many teams take shots from out of the box against us and how many get deflected to go in. It could have gone anywhere, at the goalkeeper, blocked or wide. Yes we could have narrowed the angle. That first goal was 1 shot one goal. It was out of the blue, yes we bounced back and then conceding another in the exact same fashion obviously frustrates the players. Especially a set of players who are not used to conceding goals and most of all goals like these. To me it is luck atleast 50% as deflecting a goal requires no skill. Real only played better once they were 2-1 up. Granted they had more possession leading up to the second goal but we lost the plot after that goal. Could it be the manner we conceded it or much more I don't know, whatever the case I stand by my case. There were other circumstances that played a part too, like the real being too aggressive and like an English referee letting the play go on. Intact leading up to the game, Howard Webb said exactly that when he said that brych is a typical English ref. @igortudor I'm sorry for doubting you my friend, this ref was truly an arsehole. I know blaming ref is so nipples and inter loser mentality but it was a factor and not be all end all. Of course the rest of it was just our own selves and simply how good real Madrid was.

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[PhRoZeN]

I dont want to sound harsh and this isnt my opinion, but i think i read from reddit, did Buffon even make a save this match? Fair enough some of the goals deflection but to let in 4 goals is not great.

No he saved that shot (again from out of the box) from modric. Comfortable save but still. Either way he didn't have to, when you look at it buffon can't do much about them deflected shots. The last goal was poor ads defending which he couldn't do. I seriously forgot the other one, which is probably a good thing.


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[Stephan]

What was ridiculous was that Dybala got early yellow card and then Carvajal tackled and stepped on Mandzu ankle 2 times first half. I honestly thought Mandzu would get injured and be needed to substituted. But no card.

Also what is the rules about dives? Ronaldo dived first half 2-3 times, then handball freekick, thats 3 things already. No yellow. But Dybala makes one foul first 10 mins yellow. I do think that affected his performance certain extent now that i analyze it. Since he played midfield area he needed to go into challenges and win the ball, challenge the Madrid players, but there is always risk another foul and sent off. And that affected his play.

 

[PhRoZeN]

Phrozen i seem to recall we trained harder under Conte. Allegri actually took a slightly different approach there. Conte was the one who was nuts about training and giving ur all every session.

Ive heard from some football podcast spanish journalist say that Simeone has very strict training policy. Thats another reason i dont think he is suited to many clubs if he would leave Atletico.

See I don't know why but I thought Allegri dampened it but not by much. I mean conte was crazy a fanatic. In general though and this applies to Italy all clubs train harder and for longer than their English counterparts. This is exactly why the English can get away with playing more games because they genuinely have days off. Spanish I could never say but yeah I guess it makes sense about simeone he's a conte type of character. Do you think that's one of the reasons why atletico choke in finals as well?

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[DelpieroForLife]

Fair point but how many teams take shots from out of the box against us and how many get deflected to go in. It could have gone anywhere, at the goalkeeper, blocked or wide. Yes we could have narrowed the angle. That first goal was 1 shot one goal. It was out of the blue, yes we bounced back and then conceding another in the exact same fashion obviously frustrates the players. Especially a set of players who are not used to conceding goals and most of all goals like these. To me it is luck atleast 50% as deflecting a goal requires no skill. Real only played better once they were 2-1 up. Granted they had more possession leading up to the second goal but we lost the plot after that goal. Could it be the manner we conceded it or much more I don't know, whatever the case I stand by my case. There were other circumstances that played a part too, like the real being too aggressive and like an English referee letting the play go on. Intact leading up to the game, Howard Webb said exactly that when he said that brych is a typical English ref. @igortudor I'm sorry for doubting you my friend, this ref was truly an arsehole. I know blaming ref is so nipples and inter loser mentality but it was a factor and not be all end all. Of course the rest of it was just our own selves and simply how good real Madrid was.

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I would still not use a random factor lik deflection as a reason for losing, Mandzukic's goal is one in a million. Would you accept Real fans calling us lucky had we own with such goal?

 

[PhRoZeN]

I would still not use a random factor lik deflection as a reason for losing, Mandzukic's goal is one in a million. Would you accept Real fans calling us lucky had we own with such goal?

Mandzukic ball took it's own course and trajectory after it left his foot. I don't mind that, it's the goals that bounce here there and everywhere and go in. Like ping pong goals. In any case the players all had intention to score but that isn't my point. It's the fact of how it makes its way there.

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[United#7]

Casemiro, Marcelo and Benzema were huge in this game. Three CLs in 4 years, and a back to back. They have to be up there with 06-11 Barca.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Mandzukic ball took it's own course and trajectory after it left his foot. I don't mind that, it's the goals that bounce here there and everywhere and go in. Like ping pong goals. In any case the players all had intention to score but that isn't my point. It's the fact of how it makes its way there.

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I understand your point, I truly do. Deflections are lucky goals and Real is as lucky as it gets. But we have lost the final because we were painfully bad in 2nd half, not because we have conceded a deflection.

I have mentioned Mandzukic's goal because it's far more possible statistically to witness a deflection goal rather than a bycecle loop goal from the edge of the box.

 

[PhRoZeN]

I understand your point, I truly do. Deflections are lucky goals and Real is as lucky as it gets. But we have lost the final because we were painfully bad in 2nd half, not because we have conceded a deflection.

I don't think there is a black and white answer to it, I think there are a number of key factors that contributed to our defeat. Undoubtedly them lucky goals were just one of them though. As for letting our heads drop even after conceding 2nd goal, then yeah they are professionals and should have raised the game. They let us down. We were seriously man handled that bad in the middle, totally bullied that's what disturbs me. It's like our preseason concerns doing a full cycle.

Remember when we sold dabho and how we thought physically we would suffer, well I hate to say this but we did just that. TBH it's not like dabho was that physically influential rather it was Vidal, from season before. But you get my point.

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[juventus4life]

Our loss was because of two things: 3-4-2-1 format
and tense mentality. Had this game not a final, we'd psychologically play much better. Real players were calm and therefore deadly. Congrats to them.

 

[Hydde]

in short, all I see is yet another proof of one thing that possibly what caused us to suffer all those defeats in finals : the team philosophy is just not suited to win finals

both barca and madrid have weaker defenses and are unbalanced compared to us, yet they spanked us in finals, and the fact is, for all our supposed defensive superiority to the rest of europe in history, it certainly didn't help us in finals.

is it mental problem? maybe, but maybe that in itself caused in part by that philosophy, what I'm trying to rationalize here is that this team being more defensive oriented in the history, but were forced to play in final matches conditions that of the rather opposite of that philosophy, and that caused clashes or sort of that lead to us being confused mentally and not confident and all that or whatever.

maybe I'm just talking nonsense here... but then again my second paragraph above is just something that can't be denied, we loses to unbalanced teams that are supposedly 'couldn't defend', we loses to superior attacks in finals; the trend is there.

Nope. Definitely you are onto something. Stats dont lie

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It is our identity I'm afraid

I think so too. And this is a harder problem to fix that just doing the old good “gid gud”

 

[DelpieroForLife]

i want to sleep FFS.

 

[Hydde]

Get Verratti

Develop Rugani, Pjanic, Shick further

Become a stronger family

Sounds like a plan

 

[DelpieroForLife]

I don't think there is a black and white answer to it, I think there are a number of key factors that contributed to our defeat. Undoubtedly them lucky goals were just one of them though. As for letting our heads drop even after conceding 2nd goal, then yeah they are professionals and should have raised the game. They let us down. We were seriously man handled that bad in the middle, totally bullied that's what disturbs me. It's like our preseason concerns doing a full cycle.

Remember when we sold dabho and how we thought physically we would suffer, well I hate to say this but we did just that. TBH it's not like dabho was that physically influential rather it was Vidal, from season before. But you get my point.

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There is a simple question and a simpler answer.

Do you think the best team own today?

Based on the final I would say yes for sure.

 

[Stephan]

Pjanic is almost 28, what develop are u talking about.

 

[Hydde]

i think this goes beyond the quality of the players. Something has to change at the core of the institution because not even when we had the best teams in the world we could dominate this competition. There is something that we are systematically doing wrong. Just look at the squads of Real Madrid in 98 and 2000, nothing out of this world and somehow won it. Even last year Zidane took charge of the team in midseason and still found a way to win it.

Yeh, my fear is that this problem could be complicated. And maybe it will need a turn on our philosophy and way of playing...

But then you remember we did very good in reaching the finals...

Dont know man. What i know is that we need an style of play to let us simply destroy rivals, and have players individually so good to be able to win you games on their own. And then we can instill them our teamwork philosophy. But yeah, we need a WC team attacking system

 

[PhRoZeN]

There is a simple question and a simpler answer.

Do you think the best team own today?

Based on the final I would say yes for sure.

It's game of two half's. First half was ours second was theres. I don't think they were the best by a clear margin though. One worded answer? Then yes.

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