[CL] Champions League 2015/2016 (15 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

you clearly never played 11v11 football in your life you are wrong on so many levels, as midfielder, you cannot mark opponent when your team attacks, you cannot stay near forward of your enemies team, it's just simple as that, that's why counter-attacks are so dangerous, that's why barcelona has scored a lot of goals using counter-attacks in the previous season, this is what juventus should have learned, attackers are staying wide away but at the same time defending side plays in the compact football otherwise you give your opponent too many open zones

During the times with Conte, juventus was notoriously hard to counter against. When we were at full attack and marchisio/Pogba or vidal were high, Chiellini would move forward next to pirlo. We very rarely got a succesfull counter against.

Under allegri, our team has improved a great deal in defending as a unit. best in the world. But we were prone to counter attacks when we lost chiellini + played pirlo in the center

 

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[Juventino[RUS]]

Barza was at fault for Barca's first goal, how anyone can dispute that is beyond me.

It's the whole team mistake, but the fact is that their 1st goal happened because of Evra's bad positioning

 

[Zacheryah]

Barza was at fault for Barca's first goal, how anyone can dispute that is beyond me.

Vidal was late to mark the midfielder that came in, and thats been widely recognised.

And he knew it, as he spend the rest of the first half visually frustrated and picking up one yellow, and luckely avoiding a second on like 3 occasions

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

During the times with Conte, juventus was notoriously hard to counter against. When we were at full attack and marchisio/Pogba or vidal were high, Chiellini would move forward next to pirlo. We very rarely got a succesfull counter against.

Under allegri, our team has improved a great deal in defending as a unit. best in the world. But we were prone to counter attacks when we lost chiellini + played pirlo in the center

This is the difference between 352 and 4312 and this is what you get when you have not Marchisio, De Jong or whoever but someone like Pirlo at this position, the player who doesn't help to his defence at all

 

[Zacheryah]

It's the whole team mistake, but the fact is that their 1st goal happened because of Evra's bad positioning

I dont recall who made the fault at our left side, but Vidal's market got a pass in the box beeing entirely free, wich was unacceptable

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This is the difference between 352 and 4312 and this is what you get when you have not Marchisio, De Jong or whoever but someone like Pirlo at this position, they play who doesn't help to defence at all

I agree with you. We were ahead yes, but we should have kept an eye on the center better, as barcelona was keeping 3 players deep.


Allergi said afterwards, the players overcommited on that attack. Also, pogba got clipped or something, so that was actually a faul iirc

 

[juvefan27]

Even if you played DM many times and are very good at tackling, pretty unlikely you played against someone as good at dribbling as Messi is.

We were caught on the counter, allowing him to get into a stride with the ball, which is going to be trouble for any defender.

Watch the video, slow it right down.

He feints as if to pass to Neymar to his left. Then he puts his left foot outside the ball and drops his shoulder as if he's going onto his right. Then he puts his left foot back onto the inside of the ball and pushes it away, all in a split second. It's a fantastic piece of dribbling.

Again, maybe Barza could have fouled him, but any defender in the world would struggle 1 v 1 with Messi, especially when he's got space to run at them.

 

[Emmet]

It's the whole team mistake, but the fact is that their 1st goal happened because of Evra's bad positioning

Barza ran across the box to double up when he had no need to, this left the space for Iniesta? to run into before feeding Rakitic. It's his fault, no one elses.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

1st goal
Lichsteiner is outplayed because of his poor positioning, he should have pressed Neymar harder or stay behind to cover Barz, Barzagli came to help him, he left his zone, he did what he had to do, now look above - Evra already marked Suarez so Bonucci is free and have a chance to move forward and cover Barzagli's zone, but he didn't do it, Pirlo is the last player in our squad who could cover central defender, he was not giving a single fuck about it, next is marchisio, it's understandable that he didn't try to press harder Neymar because our 2 players were already there, while Vidal slept when Rakitic made his spurt, this is a whole team mistake, we had THREE players to cover Barza and no one done it

OH and typical Pogba, he NEVER give a fuck about the opponent which is near him, he's always sleeping

 

[Zacheryah]

Tackling has so many aspects? Jesus christ Tackling is about timing, you have to find right time to tackle away the ball from opponent, i've spent my whole life playing DM and im very good at tackling yet you trying to teach me

Positionning yourself in a unit and beeing very hard to pass 1v1 is a skill in wich barzagli is probably the best in the world imo.
Stepping out to go at a player, requires anticipating and reading the game. Then, a forward tackle wich is executed at the correct time, that is difficult to evade, or will push you off your path so the covering players can pick you up.

DM's and stopping defenders, have to be good at that second part.


For example, back in 2013 when milan won at home against barcelona, Ambrosini was executing this kind of tackles on messi several times. Its the weakness is messi's stile to keep the ball so close , when receiving such a tackle, its hard to evade it without losing possession.

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1st goal
Lichsteiner is outplayed because of his poor positioning, he should have pressed Neymar harder or stay behind to cover Barz, Barzagli came to help him, he left his zone, he did what he had to do, now look above - Evra already marked Messi so Bonucci have a chance to move forward and cover Barzagli's zone, but he didn't do it, Pirlo is the last player in our squad who could cover central defender, he was not giving a single fuck about it, next is marchisio, it's understandable that he didn't try to press harder Neymar because our 2 players were already there, while Vidal slept when Rakitic made his spurt, this is a whole team mistake

Agreed. But what bothers me is this

Neymar getting past lichtsteiner ? Can happen, Neymar is amazing.
Pirlo beeing lazy in these situations, has happened the entire season. Its why everyone feared him starting (marchisio cdm always ffs)

Vidal beeing late there, now thats unacceptable, and really bothered me (and him apparently)

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Only player i've seen regularly beeing able to bypass perfectly executed forward tackles with the ball beeing in a position where messi keeps it, has to be brazillian Ronaldo.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Positionning yourself in a unit and beeing very hard to pass 1v1 is a skill in wich barzagli is probably the best in the world imo.
Stepping out to go at a player, requires anticipating and reading the game. Then, a forward tackle wich is executed at the correct time, that is difficult to evade, or will push you off your path so the covering players can pick you up.

DM's and stopping defenders, have to be good at that second part.


For example, back in 2013 when milan won at home against barcelona, Ambrosini was executing this kind of tackles on messi several times. Its the weakness is messi's stile to keep the ball so close , when receiving such a tackle, its hard to evade it without losing possession.

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Agreed. But what bothers me is this

Neymar getting past lichtsteiner ? Can happen, Neymar is amazing.
Pirlo beeing lazy in these situations, has happened the entire season. Its why everyone feared him starting (marchisio cdm always ffs)

Vidal beeing late there, now thats unacceptable, and really bothered me (and him apparently)

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Only player i've seen regularly beeing able to bypass perfectly executed forward tackles with the ball beeing in a position where messi keeps it, has to be brazillian Ronaldo.

This is deep analyze what went wrong from the beginning:
1st pic - Evra lost his man and his position, it forced Bonucci, then Barzagli, then Licht to came closer to Barcelona's trident and because of it Evra, Pogba, Pirlo and Marchisio were outplayed with 1 long cross by Messi to alba and it's all because of Evra's poor positioning, long cross forced Stephen to leave Neymar, so neymar is absolutely alone when he receives a pass from Alba, but fortunately he had a bad first touch and it helped Barza to came closer and don't let him use that free space

now look at the pic 2 - What Pirlo did? I think it's impossible to explain it, he just suddenly started to run out of the box without any reason, Bonucci is marking nobody because Evra is already with Suarez and ofc Bone head should have moved forward, instead he stays and creates a very deep offside line with his poor positioning and doesn't cover Barzagli at all, Pogba and Vidal are sleeping, you can see on the replay that Rakitic started to run alongside with Iniesta and Neymar even had a chance to give a pass to him in the first place

pic 3 - Vidal lost Iniesta, Bonucci didn't move forward to cover the zone because if he did then he had a chance to stop Iniesta, Pogba lost Rakitic, how much time it took for Pogba to realize that he had to run alongside with Rakitic the rest is history


@Bianconero_Aus paint level 13190230 verona

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Fucking love it I've missed these RUS, I love the ZZZZ and ??? as well

 

[Elvin]

Sooo, is Milan still "the most successful club"?

 

[Xperd]

Last season

Dortmund = bombed by Tevez
Monaco = sliced by Pirlo
Real = Kicked out by Morata

The team did obviously great as well but those were the key players in the respective matches

Fixed
Vidal wasn't the best player in the Madrid games.Again overrating his performances.
There were no standouts in those ties.

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It was a total team effort in the end.
We were far from special in the Bernabeu game as well but Morata's goal sealed our qualification.

Why is Morata's goals undervalued suddenly now ? I thought he was one of our best performers in the entire knockout stage.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Pirlo and Vidal had a couple of key moments in our CL run, but Tevez, Morata, Bonucci and Evra were our best performers in the CL imo

 

[Klin]

The last pages.

I think you missed the point Kiln was making. He is mocking you for making it seem that Messi was in a 40 year old Nesta's pocket. The general idea that its defenders that are shit not Messi thats out of this world. If Barzagli couldn't handle Messi then Barzagli must be a terrible defender.

And to break the Nesta schooled Messi myth once and for all.


In this footage, either Nesta is forced into fouling Messi after Messi goes through. Or Messi cleanly gets through leaving Nesta on the floor. Say what you want. Thats not how a defender keeps an attacker in his pocket.

He should have been sent off, actually.

 

[Xperd]

You left out Marchisio.Forever the unsung hero

Key pass in the Dortmund away game to make it 2-0
Key pass in the Madrid home game to make it 1-0
Key pass in the final to make it 1-1 and an exquisite one as well
I might 've forgotten some other key moments from him as well
Not to mention infinite dacdical flow.

This isnt revisionist history from me here but if you analyze closely , Vidal wasn't that huge of a factor as he's made out to be for our final fun.

'Vidal destroyed Madrid'
He's not Zidane ffs

Ofcourse he may very well do great for Bayern but I'm not sure he would've found the same level of motivation as he would with his new club had he stayed on with us.
Not to mention he'll have better players around him.Ofcourse he has every chance of shining at Bayern.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

You are starting to see the light, Cuspy

Embrace the positivity.

 

[JuveJay]

I know it's early season but neither team tried to defend last night.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I know it's early season but neither team tried to defend last night.

wat

 

[JuveJay]

Well they might have tried, but none of it was good enough. Sevilla had excuses for that. But in the first few weeks of the season you see slackness most in the defensive areas.

Sevilla's on the 3rd and 4th goals was simply atrocious.