[CL] Champions League 2015/2016 (25 Viewers)

[Xperd]

Well.. No. The guy who scores 50 goals is always the guy who was most important. Xavi was important too, but let's not overcomplicate things here.

The same prolific goalscorer scored 0 goals in the world cup.

Xavi should've won it in 2010 but instead it went to Messi who broke a record that season or something which included a lot of bogus goals too.
Not to mention he flopped in the semis against Inter.

Xavi was Spain's best player in the world cup.

 

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[pavluska]

lol

Garcia about to be fired. Lets take a moment to mourn his loss...

 

[Osman]

I also think morata has been better than benzema one of our success to reach to CL final

No he hasn't, Morata was excellent and clutch for most important playoff games, but Benzema who also allways scores plenty in CL every season, had a full season of scoring regularly compared Morata's for us.

Not to mention Morata has been shit for us half a year while Benzema is Reals best this season so far (been bailing them out but his dumbass scandal overshadows the football), scoring and assisting plenty. Better then Ronaldo so far and gets underrated a bit because he is seen as a role player, performs like a top class one.

 

[Martin]

No he hasn't, Morata was excellent and clutch for most important playoff games, but Benzema who also allways scores plenty in CL every season, had a full season of scoring regularly compared Morata's for us.

Not to mention Morata has been $#@! for us half a year while Benzema is Reals best this season so far (been bailing them out but his dumbass scandal overshadows the football), scoring and assisting plenty. Better then Ronaldo so far and gets underrated a bit because he is seen as a role player, performs like a top class one.

imagine if he got the nomin instead of naldo. oooh that would not go down well

 

[Lapa]

Xavi was vital, and he led spain to the world cup.

They don't give a shit about midfielders nowadays.

Play in la liga, score some goals and dive as much as you can, and dadaa, you will win the award.

 

[Martin]

They don't give a $#@! about midfielders nowadays.

Play in la liga, score some goals and dive as much as you can, and dadaa, you will win the award.

no beer on the menu?

 

[Alex-444]

 

[Klin]

How cute, they think Cuadrado will play.

 

[Xperd]

I think he'll play

 

[icemaη]

Mandy gonna sink Bayern.

 

[LiquidPLP]

It's very unlikely Allegri would go with both Cuadrado and Alex Sandro at the same time.

 

[Klin]

I think he'll play

Licht and AS is the way to go I think.

 

[GarfielD]

Barza needs Lich to help him with D. Costa, Alaba and Thiago. Cuadrado is not gonna start for sure if Licht is healthy.

 

[Fred]

Yes, exactly.

Reminds me of 2010. People are like "but messi is greatest talent"
Thats not what this trophee is about.

Its who performed the best. Aka xavi

Messi won it in 2010 because he was the best player in the world, not because he was the greatest talent.

For the past 5-6 years no player has reached the level of performance of Messi and Ronaldo. When people bring in players like Sneider, Robben, Ribery and whomever else in the comparison, the mistake many people make is that they compare Messi and Ronaldo to themselves first and then they compare them to other players. So for example, the 2009 -2010 season wasn't Ronaldo's best, people rightfully pointed that out, but then made the mistake of using that to say that Sneider performed better(Sneider probably had his best ever season then). The problem with this kind of comparison is that you're holding Ronaldo to a much higher standard than Sneider, and then using that against Ronaldo. To illustrate: you're comparing Ronaldo's level of performance against his usual level of performance(The higher standard), and then comparing Sneider to his usual level of performance (The lower standard), and because Sneider scores better on his standard you make the mistake of saying he had a better season than Ronaldo, when in reality Ronaldo's worst season in 6 years was individually better than Sneider's best season ever.

Fact of the matter is that the Ballon D'Or is an individual award, that recognizes the best players in the world, it is in effect a measure of individual performance. You could say that Ronaldo didn't win anything in 2010 while Sneider won everything that year, but that's immaterial if Ronaldo's individual performances were a lot better but he was let down by his team. The fact is, Ronaldo and Messi have been a level above the rest for the past 5-6 years, and they rightfully have always been #1 and #2 in the rankings.

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The same prolific goalscorer scored 0 goals in the world cup.

Xavi should've won it in 2010 but instead it went to Messi who broke a record that season or something which included a lot of bogus goals too.
Not to mention he flopped in the semis against Inter.

Xavi was Spain's best player in the world cup

So if someone is world class all season long, and is levels above all other players for 40+ matches, you wouldn't consider him the best player in the world if he was neutralized in 2-3 games? That doesn't seem fair, I would think consistency throughout they year would be more important.

 

[Ocelot]

Messi won it in 2010 because he was the best player in the world, not because he was the greatest talent.

For the past 5-6 years no player has reached the level of performance of Messi and Ronaldo. When people bring in players like Sneider, Robben, Ribery and whomever else in the comparison, the mistake many people make is that they compare Messi and Ronaldo to themselves first and then they compare them to other players. So for example, the 2009 -2010 season wasn't Ronaldo's best, people rightfully pointed that out, but then made the mistake of using that to say that Sneider performed better(Sneider probably had his best ever season then). The problem with this kind of comparison is that you're holding Ronaldo to a much higher standard than Sneider, and then using that against Ronaldo. To illustrate: you're comparing Ronaldo's level of performance against his usual level of performance(The higher standard), and then comparing Sneider to his usual level of performance (The lower standard), and because Sneider scores better on his standard you make the mistake of saying he had a better season than Ronaldo, when in reality Ronaldo's worst season in 6 years was individually better than Sneider's best season ever.

Fact of the matter is that the Ballon D'Or is an individual award, that recognizes the best players in the world, it is in effect a measure of individual performance. You could say that Ronaldo didn't win anything in 2010 while Sneider won everything that year, but that's immaterial if Ronaldo's individual performances were a lot better but he was let down by his team. The fact is, Ronaldo and Messi have been a level above the rest for the past 5-6 years, and they rightfully have always been #1 and #2 in the rankings.

This.

But it's a meaningless award in general nonetheless.

 

[Raz]

IIRC messi was nothing but average in the 2010. And that seems like an important event to perform if you're the best in the world.

 

[Xperd]

The thing is had it been merged before, you would've never seen the likes of Owen,Nedved and Shevchenko win it.
Now you can't tell me the aforementioned players were standout players of their generation.
If it hadn't been merged , Sneijder or Xavi would've the Ballon D'or under the old format while Messi and CR would've been competing each yr for the FIFA WPOTY.
This current format isn't properly recognizing the best performing players of that yr.
It's just a 'who scored most goals' award.It's also de-recognizing/devaluing the importance of midfielders/attacking midfielders.It's a big joke that Lewandowski finished 4th in the race because he scored 5 goals against a fodder German team.Big joke that.

 

[Fred]

IIRC messi was nothing but average in the 2010. And that seems like an important event to perform if you're the best in the world.

So let's say a player was the best throughout the year, then for some reason he did not perform in a 5-6 game major event that year, then you have another player who was good, but nowhere near the first player for 11 months of the year, but he performed a lot better than the first player in the major tournament(1 month), who would you give the award to?

The only player who was close or around the same level as Messi during the year was Ronaldo, had Ronaldo played a good WC, I'd have told you he deserved the award for sure. But nobody else was and has ever been close to the level of performance those two have reached over the past 5-6 years.

 

[Osman]

Only joke winner for this award during my time is Owen (and historically most highly questionned is Belanov 1986), he won a treble (not the cool kind without CL and league, just Uefa cup and two domestic cups...), but anyone who actually watched that season and think he was the best individual player should give up watching football. Raul also had a brilliant year and was unquestionably the better individual player in every way except speed.



Also Nazario de Lima Ronaldo (differentiating from the sissy one), tho very decisive as fvck for the WC 2002, litterally won the award for 6-7 games. Because he was injured rest of the year (before and after WC). Besides being a WC hero, he won it for his legendary name, because no other (not so known ) player who just performs in a WC and absent for rest of the year would won it.

 

[Fred]

This.

But it's a meaningless award in general nonetheless.

If you're not interested in who is individually the best player in the world, then ya it would be a meaningless award.

But then again, how do you compare a striker with a goalkeeper, or a midfielder with a defender?