[CL] Champions League 2014/15 (45 Viewers)
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The pain is too much to bear. I witnessed the losses in 97, 98, & 03. We should've never lost that final in 97. We were by far the superior team, and the clear favorites, but I guess we were both arrogant and complacent. In 2003, had Nedved been available, that game would've been over by the 90 minute mark.
We won't be able to sign a Reus or an Isco either way. Perhaps in 2-3 years, but not next year, not even if we reach the Semis.
We won't be able to sign a Reus or an Isco either way. Perhaps in 2-3 years, but not next year, not even if we reach the Semis.
IMO that's more of a myth than fact around here. We managed to to sign both Melo and Diego in the same summer for 50 mil combined. We constantly were among top 5-6 clubs in Europe when it comes to our spendings.
Perhaps we can't offer the salaries that other top clubs offer (maybe) but when it comes to our spending spree (club fees) we're among Europes top spenders.
Perhaps we can't offer the salaries that other top clubs offer (maybe) but when it comes to our spending spree (club fees) we're among Europes top spenders.
Maybe not Reus,i used his name only to make a point,but Isco or players of similar calibre would certainly be feasible signings for us.
Its not just all the money we receive from the market pool/tv rights but reaching a final would signal our entry into Europe's and i believe would convince the mgmt on one top player.Reaching a final would make a world of difference for our brand.
But anyways,in reality,we wont be making the final for quite a while so feck it
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Its not just all the money we receive from the market pool/tv rights but reaching a final would signal our entry into Europe's and i believe would convince the mgmt on one top player.Reaching a final would make a world of difference for our brand.
But anyways,in reality,we wont be making the final for quite a while so feck it
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Juventus has played in its history 50 finals, with "only" 29 wins (58% success rate)
This is the summary
Italian competitions total 18W 12L (60% success rate)
Campionato 3W 3L (50%)
Coppa Italia 9W 5L (64%)
Supercoppa 6W 4L (60%)
International competitions total 11W 9L (55% success rate)
Coppa Fiere/UEFA/EL 3W 3L (50%)
Champions 2W 5L (28%)
Intercontinentale /World Cup 2W 1L (66%)
European Supercup 2W 0L (100%)
Cup winners Cup 1W 0L (100%)
Intertoto 1W 0L (100%)
So basically the home record is slightly better and the international one is brought down by the CL poor displays.
6 of those finals were decided by penalties and we won 3 and lost 3, so perfect balance.
I wouldn't call our record a choker's one, but we can definitley improve it although by definition a final is a 50/50 call and we are doing slightly better than the odds.
This is the full picture
1903 Campionato Federale Genoa-Juventus LOST
1904 Campionato 1a Cat. Genoa-Juventus LOST
1906 Campionato 1a Cat. Juventus-Milan LOST
1908 Campionato Fed. 1a Cat. Andrea Doria-Juventus WON
1909 Campionato Ita. 1a Cat. Juventus-U.S. Milanese WON
1926 Campionato 1a Divis. Juventus-Alba Roma (a) WON
1938 Coppa Italia Torino-Juventus WON
1942 Coppa Italia Milan-Juventus WON
1959 Coppa Italia Inter-Juventus 1-4 WON
1960 Coppa Italia Juventus-Fiorentina 3-2 WON
1965 Coppa delle Fiere Juventus-Ferencvaros 0-1 LOST
1965 Coppa Italia Inter-Juventus 0-1 WON
1971 Coppa delle Fiere Juventus-Leeds United (a) 2-2 1-1 LOST
1973 Coppa dei Campioni Juventus-Ajax 0-1 LOST
1973 Coppa Italia Milan-Juventus 1-1 LOST
1973 Intercontinentale Juventus-Independiente 0-1 LOST
1977 Coppa UEFA Juventus-Athletic Bilbao (a) 1-0 1-2 WON
1979 Coppa Italia Juventus-Palermo 2-1 WON
1983 Coppa dei Campioni Amburgo-Juventus 1-0 LOST
1983 Coppa Italia Verona-Juventus (a) 2-0 0-3 WON
1984 Coppa delle Coppe Porto-Juventus 1-2 WON
1985 Supercoppa Europea Juventus-Liverpool 2-0 WON
1985 Coppa dei Campioni Liverpool-Juventus 0-1 WON
1985 Intercontinentale Argentinos Juniors-Juventus 2-2 WON
1990 Coppa Italia Juventus-Milan (a) 0-0 1-0 WON
1990 Coppa UEFA Juventus-Fiorentina (a) 3-1 0-0 WON
1990 Supercoppa Italiana Napoli-Juventus 5-1 LOST
1992 Coppa Italia Juventus-Parma (a) 1-0 0-2 LOST
1993 Coppa UEFA Borussia Dortmund-Juventus (a) 1-3 0-3 WON
1995 Coppa UEFA Parma-Juventus (a) 1-0 1-1 LOST
1995 Coppa Italia Juventus-Parma (a) 1-0 2-0 WON
1996 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Parma 1-0 WON
1996 Champions League Ajax-Juventus 1-1 WON
1996 Intercontinentale River Plate-Juventus 0-1 WON
1997 Supercoppa Europea Paris Saint-Germain-Juventus (a) 1-6 1-3 WON
1997 Champions League Borussia Dortmund-Juventus 3-1 LOST
1997 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Vicenza 3-0 WON
1998 Champions League Juventus-Real Madrid 0-1 LOST
1998 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Lazio 1-2 LOST
1999 Torneo Intertoto Juventus-Rennes (a) 2-0 2-2 WON
2002 Coppa Italia Juventus-Parma (a) 2-1 0-1 LOST
2002 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Parma 2-1 WON
2003 Champions League Juventus-Milan 0-0 LOST
2003 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Milan 1-1 WON
2004 Coppa Italia Lazio-Juventus (a) 2-0 2-2 LOST
2005 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Inter 0-1 LOST
2012 Coppa Italia Juventus-Napoli 0-2 LOST
2012 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Napoli 4-2 WON
2013 Supercoppa Italiana Lazio-Juventus 0-4 WON
2014 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Napoli 2-2 LOST
This is the summary
Italian competitions total 18W 12L (60% success rate)
Campionato 3W 3L (50%)
Coppa Italia 9W 5L (64%)
Supercoppa 6W 4L (60%)
International competitions total 11W 9L (55% success rate)
Coppa Fiere/UEFA/EL 3W 3L (50%)
Champions 2W 5L (28%)
Intercontinentale /World Cup 2W 1L (66%)
European Supercup 2W 0L (100%)
Cup winners Cup 1W 0L (100%)
Intertoto 1W 0L (100%)
So basically the home record is slightly better and the international one is brought down by the CL poor displays.
6 of those finals were decided by penalties and we won 3 and lost 3, so perfect balance.
I wouldn't call our record a choker's one, but we can definitley improve it although by definition a final is a 50/50 call and we are doing slightly better than the odds.
This is the full picture
1903 Campionato Federale Genoa-Juventus LOST
1904 Campionato 1a Cat. Genoa-Juventus LOST
1906 Campionato 1a Cat. Juventus-Milan LOST
1908 Campionato Fed. 1a Cat. Andrea Doria-Juventus WON
1909 Campionato Ita. 1a Cat. Juventus-U.S. Milanese WON
1926 Campionato 1a Divis. Juventus-Alba Roma (a) WON
1938 Coppa Italia Torino-Juventus WON
1942 Coppa Italia Milan-Juventus WON
1959 Coppa Italia Inter-Juventus 1-4 WON
1960 Coppa Italia Juventus-Fiorentina 3-2 WON
1965 Coppa delle Fiere Juventus-Ferencvaros 0-1 LOST
1965 Coppa Italia Inter-Juventus 0-1 WON
1971 Coppa delle Fiere Juventus-Leeds United (a) 2-2 1-1 LOST
1973 Coppa dei Campioni Juventus-Ajax 0-1 LOST
1973 Coppa Italia Milan-Juventus 1-1 LOST
1973 Intercontinentale Juventus-Independiente 0-1 LOST
1977 Coppa UEFA Juventus-Athletic Bilbao (a) 1-0 1-2 WON
1979 Coppa Italia Juventus-Palermo 2-1 WON
1983 Coppa dei Campioni Amburgo-Juventus 1-0 LOST
1983 Coppa Italia Verona-Juventus (a) 2-0 0-3 WON
1984 Coppa delle Coppe Porto-Juventus 1-2 WON
1985 Supercoppa Europea Juventus-Liverpool 2-0 WON
1985 Coppa dei Campioni Liverpool-Juventus 0-1 WON
1985 Intercontinentale Argentinos Juniors-Juventus 2-2 WON
1990 Coppa Italia Juventus-Milan (a) 0-0 1-0 WON
1990 Coppa UEFA Juventus-Fiorentina (a) 3-1 0-0 WON
1990 Supercoppa Italiana Napoli-Juventus 5-1 LOST
1992 Coppa Italia Juventus-Parma (a) 1-0 0-2 LOST
1993 Coppa UEFA Borussia Dortmund-Juventus (a) 1-3 0-3 WON
1995 Coppa UEFA Parma-Juventus (a) 1-0 1-1 LOST
1995 Coppa Italia Juventus-Parma (a) 1-0 2-0 WON
1996 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Parma 1-0 WON
1996 Champions League Ajax-Juventus 1-1 WON
1996 Intercontinentale River Plate-Juventus 0-1 WON
1997 Supercoppa Europea Paris Saint-Germain-Juventus (a) 1-6 1-3 WON
1997 Champions League Borussia Dortmund-Juventus 3-1 LOST
1997 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Vicenza 3-0 WON
1998 Champions League Juventus-Real Madrid 0-1 LOST
1998 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Lazio 1-2 LOST
1999 Torneo Intertoto Juventus-Rennes (a) 2-0 2-2 WON
2002 Coppa Italia Juventus-Parma (a) 2-1 0-1 LOST
2002 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Parma 2-1 WON
2003 Champions League Juventus-Milan 0-0 LOST
2003 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Milan 1-1 WON
2004 Coppa Italia Lazio-Juventus (a) 2-0 2-2 LOST
2005 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Inter 0-1 LOST
2012 Coppa Italia Juventus-Napoli 0-2 LOST
2012 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Napoli 4-2 WON
2013 Supercoppa Italiana Lazio-Juventus 0-4 WON
2014 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Napoli 2-2 LOST
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LA TOP 11 - Ecco l'elenco completo:
Manuel Neuer (Bayern Monaco e Germania);
Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid e Spagna)
Philipp Lahm (Bayern Monaco e Germania)
David Alaba (Bayern Monaco e Austria)
Diego Godin (Atletico Madrid e Uruguay)
Arjen Robben (Bayern Monaco e Olanda)
Angel Di Maria (Real Madrid/Manchester United e Argentina)
Toni Kroos (Bayern Monaco/Real Madrid e Germania)
Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid e Portogallo)
Lionel Messi (Barcellona e Argentina)
Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Paris Saint-Germain e Svezia)
Guess what. No Italians.
Manuel Neuer (Bayern Monaco e Germania);
Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid e Spagna)
Philipp Lahm (Bayern Monaco e Germania)
David Alaba (Bayern Monaco e Austria)
Diego Godin (Atletico Madrid e Uruguay)
Arjen Robben (Bayern Monaco e Olanda)
Angel Di Maria (Real Madrid/Manchester United e Argentina)
Toni Kroos (Bayern Monaco/Real Madrid e Germania)
Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid e Portogallo)
Lionel Messi (Barcellona e Argentina)
Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Paris Saint-Germain e Svezia)
Guess what. No Italians.
A match plan has never been so easy for a CL game. Just stand back and counter. Do nothing except stand the fuck back and counter with Morata (NOT LLORENTE) & Coman (NOT LLORENTE) and Tevez. Dortmund's biggest and I am inclined to say only strengh is their super quick transition from defense to attack resulting in very dangerous situations. But once they see 6-8 opponents behind the ball it's over. Absolutely no clue what to do... I have seen Dortmund live this season as they played my local team. They literally just miss 5m passes once enemy defenders got into position.
Yep. It is so obvious, Allegri has to see this. For ONCE I would be very happy to see stereotypical Catenaccio. Dortmund are struggling so much in Germany right now because teams there have realized this is how you beat them, and even the relegation threatened ones are able to pull it off, hell, Dortmund are in second to last place, they ARE relegation threatened. To go out to them would be an EMBARRASSMENT, plain and simple. The only reason they have done so well in Europe is because other teams meet them in the open and allow Dortmund to go on the counter. Anything but getting through would be failure. C'mon Juve. I know our coaches like pulling stupid shit, I know we like fucking up in Europe, but CMON, it couldn't be anymore simple than this.
