[CL] Champions League 2014/15 (54 Viewers)

[Juventino[RUS]]

I suppose the problem is that if the game clock were stopped each time there was a stoppage in play, such as in basketball, hockey, american football... Football matches would last at least 30 minutes longer. However, it would discourage all the simulation we currently see and time wasting with injuries by teams with a lead. I despise Real Madrid, but 5 minutes of injury time was the bare minimum that should have been added, with all the crap lying around that Atletico players were doing. It was worse in our 2nd leg against Benfica, when I counted 3 minutes from the 80th minute to the 93rd minute when play was actually occurring. That means 10 minutes of dead time with the Benfica players stopping play, neglecting earlier in the half. That match should have had 12-13 minutes of injury time, but no ref is ever going to add that.

I agree though, even if it meant matches lasted an extra 30 minutes, I'd rather see a clock stop for things like substitutions, injuries and time wasting during free kick wall setups and corners. However, I think things like throw-ins and regular goal-kicks could be left with the clock running...

No, football will become much faster, especially there is not point for goalkeepers to act like retards anymore you simply can't waste time, but fuckers from uefa and fifa can't understand it

 

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[Post Ironic]

No, football will become much faster, especially there is not point for goalkeepers to act like retards anymore you simply can't waste time, but $#@!ers from uefa and fifa can't understand it

The game will become faster paced certainly... I'd imagine that the overall length of a match will be slightly longer though. I mean, a 60 minute hockey game takes about 2.5 hours with the intermissions included. Same with American football.

Average runtime on a football match currently seems in the area of 2 hours. I could see with stoppages of clock for each stoppage of play, about 2.5 hours.

Regardless, it would be nice to see 90 minutes of actual play. Rather than some of the travesties that occur for the last 30 minutes of matches where teams are defending a lead.e

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

The game will become faster paced certainly... I'd imagine that the overall length of a match will be slightly longer though. I mean, a 60 minute hockey game takes about 2.5 hours with the intermissions included. Same with American football.

Average runtime on a football match currently seems in the area of 2 hours. I could see with stoppages of clock for each stoppage of play, about 2.5 hours.

Regardless, it would be nice to see 90 minutes of actual play. Rather than some of the travesties that occur for the last 30 minutes of matches where teams are defending a lead.e

it's because of commercial breaks, football doesn't have it and will never have, look at the superbowl - it's became 1 huge commercial instead of actual football action

 

[Post Ironic]

it's because of commercial breaks, football doesn't have it and will never have, look at the superbowl - it's became 1 huge commercial instead of actual football action

It's actually quite amusing being in the arena for an NHL game, and when the commercials are happening for TV viewers, the players are just standing over by the bench, getting a rest. It's really strange to see.

 

[Tommy]

To be honest, I see us doing very well. I think by purchasing Drogba or Eto'o, we'd have a deadly striker upfront for Europe. Sanchez will inject that flair and fancy this team badly needs. Hummels will solve the defensive issues at the back and his passing is better than Leo's, who is shit. I think Conte in his 3 years with us showed that he is willing to learn from his mistakes because he is not stubborn. We will see a change in formation. A change in mentality. A change in how we approach games. 100%. What happened last season can happen to anyone. We will surely learn from our mistakes come season and I will be very surprised if we won't at least reach the Finals. As the coach perfectly said, he isn't even close to reaching the maximum with this team. He knows he has lots of work to do. His motivation is up the limits. The players want to prove everyone wrong that we're no chokers in Europe. Our brand of football suggests that we're very adventurous and this is exactly what's gonna help us move forward in this competition. The fact that we have to play against top notch defenses in the league helps us a lot in knowing how to break defenses in Europe. We're an engine. A creative engine. A motivated engine. A non-stubborn engine. An underrated engine.

 

[Fred]

My opinion on Juve's chances:

I was surprised how poorly you guys did this season, to be honest I was predicting the quarters at least. A lot of you touched on this, and I agree that it was a mentality thing more than it was about personnel. I think barring Bayern, Real, Barcelona, Man City and to a lesser extent PSG none of the other European teams have clearly better squads. You could make a strong case for Chelsea having a better squad too maybe, but other than that its all down to opinions imo. Man City seem to have a complex in Europe, where they keep choking, even if this season they had to contend with Bayern and then Barcelona, other than that they did quite well.

I think that with a few good signings, the right mentality and belief, getting it right tactically in key games(sometimes in cup competitions thats all it comes down to; think Chelsea 2012, or Atletico this season) could see Juventus go far in the competition.

 

[ALC]

no, my point is that we don't need added time in football, whenever the ball is out of play referees should stop their clocks, and it's impossible to do it correctly for human, that's why computers should take care about time and it will resolve the problem with simulations in the end of match, throw in - stop the clock, goal kick - stop the clock etc. There is no added time in hockey, american football, baseball, volleyball, handball, but football is living in the middle ages and fat old fuckers from FIFA and Uefa doesn't want to change it, fortunately the board of directors of EPL are living in the current generation and they've started to use the hawkeye technology

Couldn't agree more.

Yeah but genuinely speaking 3 minutes added time isn't considered out of the norm, so despite Real having 5 minutes, they scored just under the 93rd, so it would have little impact on the outcome of the match.

But it still doesn't take away from the fact they got 5 minutes.

it's because of commercial breaks, football doesn't have it and will never have, look at the superbowl - it's became 1 huge commercial instead of actual football action

 

[Bartolo]

i think we're going to suffer again in this competition

 

[JamalRice10]

i think we're going to suffer again in this competition

Once we dont sign the correct players. I am going to have to agree with you.

 

[swag]

no, my point is that we don't need added time in football, whenever the ball is out of play referees should stop their clocks, and it's impossible to do it correctly for human, that's why computers should take care about time and it will resolve the problem with simulations in the end of match, throw in - stop the clock, goal kick - stop the clock etc. There is no added time in hockey, american football, baseball, volleyball, handball, but football is living in the middle ages and fat old fuckers from FIFA and Uefa doesn't want to change it, fortunately the board of directors of EPL are living in the current generation and they've started to use the hawkeye technology

Like goal line technology, I think this idea is b.s. and is just the "theater" of precision. I mean, the NBA with its tenths of a second clock? Where do you draw the line? Shooting lazers at players so you can get micron-level readings from their reflectometry, corrected for the atmospheric pressure at the time and any tidal gravitation effects?

People have become such mental slaves to the idea that a human sport must be run with the precision and accuracy of nanotechnology robot wars... it's quite hysterical, really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_precision

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Like goal line technology, I think this idea is b.s. and is just the "theater" of precision. I mean, the NBA with its tenths of a second clock? Where do you draw the line? Shooting lazers at players so you can get micron-level readings from their reflectometry, corrected for the atmospheric pressure at the time and any tidal gravitation effects?

People have become such mental slaves to the idea that a human sport must be run with the precision and accuracy of nanotechnology robot wars... it's quite hysterical, really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_precision

Because you don't understand something it doesn't mean that it's bullshit, for example Omega watch brand has made special clocks which stops whenever referee blows the whistle and then instantly the computer can count back the time to one-hundredth of a second to make it correct, it's questions of 5-10 seconds, while in football we've stuck somewhere in the 50's-60's
For example:

How do you think can human eye realise that it wasn't goal? I bet 99,9% of the referees (no differece the head one or the 5th that is staying behind the net) would count it as a goal, while it's not and technology is helped us to see it, so why you are against it? What if the same situation will repeat itself in the final of the world cup or the champions league? Should i remind you how English team was robbed in 2010?

Human eye can't notice this sometimes yet you are against technology The stakes are high, maybe your national team will not play in the world cup anymore and you want them to leave the tournament because of mistakes like this?!bullshit

 

[JuveJay]

England would definitely have won that game with that goal

Maybe.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

England would definitely have won that game with that goal

Maybe.

who knows, comeback is comeback 0-2 2-2

 

[JuveJay]

who knows, comeback is comeback 0-2 2-2

Maybe, but that was a crap England team. It was a young Germany team, however, so could have been important.

 

[swag]

Because you don't understand something it doesn't mean that it's bullshit, for example Omega watch brand has made special clocks which stops whenever referee blows the whistle and then instantly the computer can count back the time to one-hundredth of a second to make it correct, it's questions of 5-10 seconds, while in football we've stuck somewhere in the 50's-60's
For example:

How do you think can human eye realise that it wasn't goal? I bet 99,9% of the referees (no differece the head one or the 5th that is staying behind the net) would count it as a goal, while it's not and technology is helped us to see it, so why you are against it? What if the same situation will repeat itself in the final of the world cup or the champions league? Should i remind you how English team was robbed in 2010?

Human eye can't notice this sometimes yet you are against technology The stakes are high, maybe your national team will not play in the world cup anymore and you want them to leave the tournament because of mistakes like this?!bullshit

You optimize the game for slow-motion video cameras placed in ridiculous positions around the stadium for the convenience of TV viewers sitting on their asses drinking beer in Iceland. It's not even played for human viewers anymore, since it's so removed from our human experience. That's my main issue with it.

I am not a slow-motion video camera, and I refuse to watch the sport that way.

Yes, England lost out on a goal that was only clarified by slow-motion cameras, etc. I am not a robot. I don't watch the sport like a robot. And I refuse to allow the sport to be catered to robots who might watch it rather than me.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Maybe, but that was a crap England team. It was a young Germany team, however, so could have been important.

that's the key - any unexperienced side could fail badly and get lost if opponent side will make huge comeback from 0-2 or even 0-3

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You optimize the game for slow-motion video cameras placed in ridiculous positions around the stadium for the convenience of TV viewers sitting on their asses drinking beer in Iceland. It's not even played for human viewers anymore, since it's so removed from our human experience. That's my main issue with it.

I am not a slow-motion video camera, and I refuse to watch the sport that way.

Yes, England lost out on a goal that was only clarified by slow-motion cameras, etc. I am not a robot. I don't watch the sport like a robot. And I refuse to allow the sport to be catered to robots who might watch it rather than me.

What?Robot? They can show you god damn 30 seconds ads whenever 4th official will be forced to watch the replay on his screen because of a disputable situation, it's question of 30-60 seconds to watch the replay, nothing more nothing less, football WILL BE faster with the technology, why can't you understand it

 

[TrezJuve]

You optimize the game for slow-motion video cameras placed in ridiculous positions around the stadium for the convenience of TV viewers sitting on their asses drinking beer in Iceland. It's not even played for human viewers anymore, since it's so removed from our human experience. That's my main issue with it.

I am not a slow-motion video camera, and I refuse to watch the sport that way.

One side wants the game to be improved with technology by preventing wrong decisions to have a say in how the game unfolds, the other side wants to keep the flaws of the game for emotional purpose.

 

[swag]

[QUOTE='Juventino[RUS]
What?Robot? They can show you god damn 30 seconds ads whenever 4th official will be forced to watch the replay on his screen because of a disputable situation, it's question of 30-60 seconds to watch the replay, nothing more nothing less[/QUOTE]

You are catering the game to an experience that no one can humanly replicate in the stadium. The game is no longer played for the people on the pitch and at the stadium, but rather some slob sitting back on his ass 10,000km away who is dissecting it with an abundance of sub-second technology telling the people in the stadium what the real truth supposedly is.

If you aren't on the pitch, if you aren't at the stadium, well then fuck you and your opinion about what's real: you weren't there. It's not about what the slo-mo camera sees: the sport is about what the humans experience in the stadium.

It's a human game where humans make visual errors all the time. It's part of the game. It's folly to pretend that we are all robots playing for infinitesimal accuracy in a lab. Dissect it all you want for the late night sports talk shows. But just because you have a remote camera and sub-millisecond views doesn't make that perspective of the match any more important or relevant than the people on the pitch and in the stands.

And if you're offended by the human outcomes of human decisions, shut up or get a ticket.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

You are catering the game to an experience that no one can humanly replicate in the stadium. The game is no longer played for the people on the pitch and at the stadium, but rather some slob sitting back on his ass 10,000km away who is dissecting it with an abundance of sub-second technology telling the people in the stadium what the real truth supposedly is.

If you aren't on the pitch, if you aren't at the stadium, well then fuck you and your opinion about what's real: you weren't there. It's not about what the slo-mo camera sees: the sport is about what the humans experience in the stadium.

It's a human game where humans make visual errors all the time. It's part of the game. It's folly to pretend that we are all robots playing for infinitesimal accuracy in a lab. Dissect it all you want for the late night sports talk shows. But just because you have a remote camera and sub-millisecond views doesn't make that perspective of the match any more important or relevant than the people on the pitch and in the stands.

And if you're offended by the human outcomes of human decisions, shut up or get a ticket.

I don't understand your point, you have a god damn high res screen at the any stadium where you will be able to see the same replay or the same picture of hawkeye technology, it will take 1 minute of time to find out was it goal or not, it won't slow the match in any way, while simulations, "injuries", long long walking to the ball to thrown it in, 5 minutes goal kicks are very slowing and destroying the pace of match much more than technology, look at the epl, there is no time wasting anymore because of goal situations cause referee has a gadget which is showing was ball in the net or not, there is no reason to discuss it and he doesn't have to stop the match to calm down the players or to talk to them

 

[swag]

I don't understand your point, you have a god damn high res screen at the any stadium where you will be able to see the same replay or the same picture of hawkeye technology, it will take 1 minute of time to find out was it goal or not, it won't slow the match in any way, while simulations, "injuries", long long walking to the ball to thrown it in, 5 minutes goal kicks are very slowing and destroying the pace of match much more than technology, look at the epl, there is no time wasting anymore because of goal situations cause referee has a gadget which is showing was ball in the net or not, there is no reason to discuss it and he doesn't have to stop the match to calm down the players or to talk to them

It's the idea of people putting belief and faith in what's real by looking at a screen or looking at a camera, rather than looking at it with their own eyes.

It's like the tourist who never removes the camera from his face, taking pictures of the Grand Canyon and whatnot. Have they actually seen and experienced the Grand Canyon? Or are they just documenting the experience for some other, offline use?

While the time delays would be annoying, those are minor. I am more offended by this notion that we turn to everything else for what's real and discount what should be the primary experience in front of us: seeing a human game with players on the pitch with our own eyes for our own experience of that. When that experience becomes secondary to every other format, the game is dead. We're playing the sport for robot cameras, sports analysts watching satellite feeds in other countries during the match, and a whole assortment of tricks telling us that what we see with our own eyes at the stadium isn't real at all -- only those things we look to elsewhere.

May as well replace the sport entirely with a PS4.