don't know what you mean - my comment has nothing to do with how Juve got completely dominated by Bayern in both games, I am talking overall expectations of Juve fans about how Juve matches up with the top teams in Europe not being in line with reality.
Make no mistake, Bayern could have won both games vs juve by 3-4 goals, at least. Now, with barca losing 4-0, I fully expect you guys will be back at proclaiming Juve to be inferior to only 1-2 teams in Europe and Marchisio and Vidal and whatnot being WC players. This is little more than an illusion .. Italian football has taken a backseat in Europe now and I am not talking about a seat in the 2nd row either, more like 3rd and even 4th.