[CL] Bayern vs JUVENTUS [16th March, 2016] (18 Viewers)

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Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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Yes Licht is an okay defensive option, when it is enough to win a game with just one threatening wing. But we saw last game, and in several other games that Lichts control of the ball is a mess and that he looses possesion or puts us under pressure with bad passes and playing backwards. He might be a more stable option defensively against Bayern, but we are going to be fucked if just try to soak up pressure. We cant contain those players, we need to play our game, push them back, hold on to the ball, keep posssesion, threatening them with the fast and technical players we have. Hernanes will be vital in that regard.

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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Well without Chiellini, Marchisio and Mandzukic you are losing a lot of defensive solidity. Seems dumb to go out there with a measured, defensive approach because there are less players in the lineup that can even play like that.

Just go down guns blazing. Cuadrado, Sandro, Pereyra. Play them all.
:agree:

Play the Conte 4-2-4

Licht-Barza-Bonucci-Sandro
-----Khedira-Pogba
Cuadrado-Dybala-Morata-Pereyra

:weee:
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
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well, this wasn't unexpected. This one is not on doctors or conditioning trainers. Marchisio was simply runned into the ground by Allegri.

He is a guy who runs like a madman, covering a lot of space back and forth and who finishes games typically at his physical limit.

It was clear he was exhausted.

Anyway, Marchisio in the current form, and at the current level of exhaustion... we could actually improve if Lemina or Sturaro can hold their $#@! together.

But if Hernanes is in the starting 11, wave goodbye to having any chances.

we always played like $#@! with a 4 men defense, but this time... just can't put Rugani on this position.

I want to see Sandro and Licht as fullbacks (god forbid if he plays Evra), Sturaro as a DM (IMO it should be his main position - he's bad creating offense, he's got great stamina to do some sort of anchor man), Pogba - Khedira, and Cuadrado.

If we field this team, our chances should be there, even if slim.
What else could Allegri have done? We do not have a vice-marchisio since Pirlo was never replaced. The league has also been tight and we are barely ahead having had to make a crazy intense comeback after the terrible start to the season. We could not afford any more slip ups and so he had to field the best team. Part of the mess at the start was that marchisio was missing and we had no one that can distribute and so he is absolutely essential to our 3-5-2 and is without replacement.

Even if allegri was going to use another midfielder as a make-shift distributor, Lemina and Asamoah were totally out injured since day 1 while Khedira and Hernanes were on and off form wise and injury wise.

Having no vice-marchisio was always going to be problematic because at worst marchisio would have been injured and at best he would be exhausted as hell if he stayed fit. If anything we are lucky that marchisio did not get any major injuries this season given how much he played.

No vice-marchisio is on marotta not on Allegri. Its good enough that chisio stayed fit and did his job at a good level for this long.
 

PedroFlu

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What else could Allegri have done? We do not have a vice-marchisio since Pirlo was never replaced. The league has also been tight and we are barely ahead having had to make a crazy intense comeback after the terrible start to the season. We could not afford any more slip ups and so he had to field the best team. Part of the mess at the start was that marchisio was missing and we had no one that can distribute and so he is absolutely essential to our 3-5-2 and is without replacement.

Even if allegri was going to use another midfielder as a make-shift distributor, Lemina and Asamoah were totally out injured since day 1 while Khedira and Hernanes were on and off form wise and injury wise.

Having no vice-marchisio was always going to be problematic because at worst marchisio would have been injured and at best he would be exhausted as hell if he stayed fit. If anything we are lucky that marchisio did not get any major injuries this season given how much he played.

No vice-marchisio is on marotta not on Allegri. Its good enough that chisio stayed fit and did his job at a good level for this long.
You are right, but Marchisio could and should absolutely have gotten some rest in the past games. It was clear he was at his limit. Sturaro as a DM looks good to me.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
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You are right, but Marchisio could and should absolutely have gotten some rest in the past games. It was clear he was at his limit. Sturaro as a DM looks good to me.
He is a ball winner he cannot distribute. At most what Allegri could have done is sub him out when games were wrapped up. We rarely wrapped up games early though and that would have only got him a few minutes extra rest which I don't know if it makes a difference.

I am more concerned about Serie A tbh. I really hope marchisio's injury is just for a week.
 

icemaη

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Aug 27, 2008
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:lol:

I'm pretty dubious as well at this point. No Marchisio, no Mandzu, no Chiello... Allegri will probably start Evra and Licht as fullbacks... Khedira-Hernanes in midfield is slow as fuck... :facepalm:

Only way we can do this is if Morata somehow recovers his CL form from last season, and Dybala has a hell of a game. Basically depends on us actually being clinical and finishing every chance we get.
I'd like to see Allegri say fuck it, and start Lemina and Sandro, and just go for it.
And then you realize Lemina is not in the CL list.
 

duranfj

Senior Member
Jul 30, 2015
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I just read It (not mandzu, cheesio, chiello). WTF our chances went from fair to very few... IMO We should play 4-5-1 with
Licth-Barza-BonBon-Evra
JGC-Khedira-Lemina-Pogs-AS
Dybala
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
34,891
Well he has no option but to start Sandro in this
game and it actually could be a blessing in disguise.He's the perfect option for the 4-4-2 right now.

Buffon
Licht-Barzagli-Bonucci-Evra
Cuadrado-Khedira-Pogba-Sandro
Dybala-Morata

Still a very strong lineup.As strong if not, stronger than the first leg lineup.

Only downside here would be Khedira playing the holding role which I'm not too convinced of.Perhaps Pogba might play more restricted role but that's not a problem as long as you have the attacking quality of Sandro, Dybala, Morata etc.Pogba doesn't need to go forward too much as both Sandro and Cuadrado are capable of carrying the ball forward and beat their man.
In my view , it's the ideal team to field right now considering injuries.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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@CrimsonianKing

Do you think we should start our lord, god, and saviour, Imhotep?

What about going all-out crazy attack?

4-1-5 stylez!

------Licht-Barza-Bonucci-Evra
---------------Pogba
Cuadrado-Dybala-Zaza-Morata-Pereyra

:tuttosport:
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
80,965
Well he has no option but to start Sandro in this
game and it actually could be a blessing in disguise.He's the perfect option for the 4-4-2 right now.

Buffon
Licht-Barzagli-Bonucci-Evra
Cuadrado-Khedira-Pogba-Sandro
Dybala-Morata

Still a very strong lineup.As strong if not, stronger than the first leg lineup.

Only downside here would be Khedira playing the holding role which I'm not too convinced of.Perhaps Pogba might play more restricted role but that's not a problem as long as you have the attacking quality of Sandro, Dybala, Morata etc.Pogba doesn't need to go forward too much as both Sandro and Cuadrado are capable of carrying the ball forward and beat their man.
In my view , it's the ideal team to field right now considering injuries.
:tup: with these injuries and Allegri not wanting to play Rugani and use the 3-5-2, that's the exact lineup I'd use too. No way should we be starting both Khedira and Hernanes at the same time, way too slow and passive against these agressive, hard running bastards.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
34,891
Yeah and we won't see much of the ball anyway.They gonna have the lion's share of possession.
What we need is Pogba staying close to Khedira and playing a restricted midfield role and he can do that very well.
While playing on the counters we can release the ball to Cuadrado or Sandro and they take care of the rest.As i said, both can carry the ball forward and beat defenders with their pace.
 

juve103423

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Mar 22, 2010
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"We wont have the ball anyway, so lets not use players capable of holding on to the ball and keep possesion". Are we gonna panic in defence and do long balls for 90 minutes?

How are Licht and Evra going to contribute with Sandro and Cuadrado in front of them? We will be seized and they will play the ball around us with Pogba, Khedira running as headless chickens chasing the ball in front of our defence.
 

viking1897

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2012
1,024
@CrimsonianKing

Do you think we should start our lord, god, and saviour, Imhotep?

What about going all-out crazy attack?

4-1-5 stylez!

------Licht-Barza-Bonucci-Evra
---------------Pogba
Cuadrado-Dybala-Zaza-Morata-Pereyra

:tuttosport:
All-out defence
631
Gigi
Lich rugani bonu barza evra sandro
Sturaro khedir pogba
Mario​

:lol:
 

juventus4life

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Apr 21, 2012
4,381
Well he has no option but to start Sandro in this
game and it actually could be a blessing in disguise.He's the perfect option for the 4-4-2 right now.

Buffon
Licht-Barzagli-Bonucci-Evra
Cuadrado-Khedira-Pogba-Sandro
Dybala-Morata

Still a very strong lineup.As strong if not, stronger than the first leg lineup.

Only downside here would be Khedira playing the holding role which I'm not too convinced of.Perhaps Pogba might play more restricted role but that's not a problem as long as you have the attacking quality of Sandro, Dybala, Morata etc.Pogba doesn't need to go forward too much as both Sandro and Cuadrado are capable of carrying the ball forward and beat their man.
In my view , it's the ideal team to field right now considering injuries.
Let's field that line-up. I don't care if we win or lose. I just want to see how we put up a fight with them. Gosh, I really hate that arrogant Hollywood club.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
34,891
If we try and slow the game down, Bayern will press you and recover the ball like the first leg.

I thought the Dortmund game was a good illustration of how we might have to play against them.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,834
I wouldn't even play Khedira. I don't think we have any hope to play any sort of tactical match. We lost our best ball player in the midfield and we don't have Mandzukic for hold up play or for crosses in build up play.

Maximum athleticism on the pitch. Up and down for 90 minutes. Spit blood. Score goals. Concede goals. See where we are when the dust settles.

You take out the nerves when everything is instinctual and requires less thinking. If you sit deep and try to hold your wits with what we have at our disposal, I think we might break easily in their arena.

Pep can't help himself. If you play an open game, he will open himself as well. His players will never be instructed to reject advancing into forward spaces. Just pray Gigi can make a couple saves. Maybe they hit a crossbar here or there. Maybe Cuadrado can still a couple yellows on someone. Who knows.

All I know is sitting back with Hernanes in front of the defence is suicide.
 
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