[CL] Atletico Madrid 1-0 JUVENTUS (October 1st 2014) (7 Viewers)

[MikeM]

Defence includes goalkeeper, and actually the workrate of the forward aswel


They are considerably weaker without Diego Costa and Courtois, and i'm not basing that on the Olympiakos game.

There is no downgrade in the forward's work rate when you go from Costa to Mandzukic. If anything, it is an upgrade. Your reasons don't make much sense.

They are playing the same way as last year. Does losing the keeper and replacing Costa with Mandzukic, Griezmann and Cerci mean they go from top 2 to out of the top 5? I don't think so.

I think they are still better than PSG or Dortmund until proven otherwise.

Dortmund replaced Lewandowski with fucking Immobile and somehow now they are better than Atl. Madrid.

 

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[Linebreak]

There is no downgrade in the forward's work rate when you go from Costa to Mandzukic. If anything, it is an upgrade. Your reasons don't make much sense.

They are playing the same way as last year. Does losing the keeper and replacing Costa with Mandzukic, Griezmann and Cerci mean they go from top 2 to out of the top 5? I don't think so.

I think they are still better than PSG or Dortmund until proven otherwise.

Dortmund replaced Lewandowski with $#@!ing Immobile and somehow now they are better than Atl. Madrid.

He single handedly marked all 3 of our CB's when at Bayern. It was unbelievable

 

[Zacheryah]

There is no downgrade in the forward's work rate when you go from Costa to Mandzukic. If anything, it is an upgrade. Your reasons don't make much sense.

They are playing the same way as last year. Does losing the keeper and replacing Costa with Mandzukic, Griezmann and Cerci mean they go from top 2 to out of the top 5? I don't think so.

I think they are still better than PSG or Dortmund until proven otherwise.

Dortmund replaced Lewandowski with fucking Immobile and somehow now they are better than Atl. Madrid.

Mandzukic is quite a bit lesser compared to Costa, who had he impact that Cavani had on Napoli. Mandzukic is also a worker offcourse, but lacks the immediate danger that Costa brings.

You go very lightly over "losing the keeper". Courtois was probably even more important then Costa. He grabbed so man points for them.


Sorry, but an inferior striker, a reasonably good winger and Cerci are quite a step down from a beast like Costa and the best goalkeeper of 2013/2014 season.


But that isnt even the situation here.


Bayern got stronger, still significantly handicapped by guardiola tho
Madrid got stronger

Barcelona made good changes wich will lessen their drop in quality following Xavi's decay.

Chelsea got incredibly improved

PSG was better then athletico last year, and if Zlatan keeps that form and isnt injured when it matters, they are even more ahead this year


SO yeah, athletico isnt a top 5 team anymore. and they never were top two.

 

[MikeM]

How can you say PSG was better than Atletico last year?

 

[Zacheryah]

How can you say PSG was better than Atletico last year?

The way they played.


PSG was so incredibly good and balanced untill they lost Zlatan. Athletico without Costa isnt the same team eighter

 

[Nzoric]

Defence includes goalkeeper, and actually the workrate of the forward aswel


They are considerably weaker without Diego Costa and Courtois, and i'm not basing that on the Olympiakos game.

Sorry mate, but you're full of shit right now.

 

[.zero]

This is a fun debate

Atleti is not top 5 folks

Addition by subtraction does not apply in this case

 

[GordoDeCentral]

it's only 6 games in teh season, way too early to tell, But last year they were definitely top 3 team in europe, they beat so many heavy weights and were 2-3 minutes away from being CL champs.

 

[.zero]

Gotta play from whistle to whistle yo

ain't no trophy for almost

 

[Völler]

I'd probably rank Atletico 5th in Europe after Real, Bayern, Barcelona and Chelsea.

 

[Zacheryah]

it's only 6 games in teh season, way too early to tell, But last year they were definitely top 3 team in europe, they beat so many heavy weights and were 2-3 minutes away from being CL champs.

I can live with them called top 3 in europe last year


This year however..

 

[.zero]

I call for a fan poll

 

[Suns]

So every season starts with Real, Barca and those guys being the best? Even if they failed, other teams did well and so on?

Atletico are borderline top 5 in Europe. Mainly because there is no real top 5 just 1 month after the season started. Basically every top team is potentially borderline top 5. I mean you could easily argue that Juventus are the best team in Europe so far.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I can live with them called top 3 in europe last year


This year however..

whos going to be top 3 this year?

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So every season starts with Real, Barca and those guys being the best? Even if they failed, other teams did well and so on?

Atletico are borderline top 5 in Europe. Mainly because there is no real top 5 just 1 month after the season started. I mean you could easily argue that Juventus are the best team in Europe so far.

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I call for a fan poll

 

[Völler]

I call for a fan poll

I can't figure you out. Are you a football interested version of Martin?

 

[Zacheryah]

whos going to be top 3 this year?

Real Madrid
Chelsea

Will be there, cant pick the third team out of PSG/bayern/barcelona/juventus


Yes, fucking juventus.

 

[.zero]

Well look at you

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7b/Quick_Draw_McGraw.jpg

 

[Zacheryah]

Thats a fan pole, not pol

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Thats a fan pole, not pol

go to bed!

 

[.zero]

Does the chair recognize that our rights are being stifled?