[CL]Arsenal vs Juventus (7 Viewers)

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olkiller

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Sep 9, 2002
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Azzurri7 said:
Negative.

We already saw what an Off-Form Zlatan can do. Chew the ball, not able to pass, not able to focus and always angry(well Even If he's In-Form he's like that). So I actually don't see how our team can play better.

Unlike Del Piero who's having a great season, we actually play better Football around him and we do have many options to do when he's on, and he proved it several times.

Saying he's not a top player anymore is pathetic IMO.....This statement ppl always try to throw it up when they dont find any other reason to talk about Del Piero..."He's not the player he has once been". Pardon Moi, neither is Ronaldo or Figo or Even Nedved and so on. Yet they keep producing "greatness". It's time to get over this theory or whatever you call it. Oh, and what did Del Piero prove to you this season? that he's not up to it anymore? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Let the man Del Piero answer this "guy" Rab. No need to argue over obvious things!
 

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NYJuve

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Mar 15, 2006
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Azzurri7 said:
Negative.

We already saw what an Off-Form Zlatan can do. Chew the ball, not able to pass, not able to focus and always angry(well Even If he's In-Form he's like that). So I actually don't see how our team can play better.

Unlike Del Piero who's having a great season, we actually play better Football around him and we do have many options to do when he's on, and he proved it several times.

Saying he's not a top player anymore is pathetic IMO.....This statement ppl always try to throw it up when they dont find any other reason to talk about Del Piero..."He's not the player he has once been". Pardon Moi, neither is Ronaldo or Figo or Even Nedved and so on. Yet they keep producing "greatness". It's time to get over this theory or whatever you call it. Oh, and what did Del Piero prove to you this season? that he's not up to it anymore? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Facts say that until mid-January, when Zlatan played at his top, we were a machine. I was strongly surprised to see a Capello's team playing like that.
Then Zlatan's form dipped and we started to play much worse. When DP played we did NOT play any better as a team, despite DP's great individual performances.
I'm not trying to say who is a better player, I'm just saying who makes Juve play better. If Zlatan's form doesn't come back, we have very small chances to win the CL, even if DP keeps playing well.
 

Donsazio

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Feb 26, 2006
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We all know zlatan has the ability to be the best....after that goal i saw him do with ajax when he dribbled past everyone and scored...i mean WOW, and wat he done for us last season....but this season hes been a complete flop. Piero has been in such better form and deserves his 1st team slot. Everyone around me are sayin hes an old man and crap....but hes doin better than the great "Ronaldo". so all in all, piero aint finished yet:D:D
 
Sep 28, 2002
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NYJuve said:
Guys,

Zlatan, even if he's off-form, makes the team play better and higher on the field.
He constantly keeps at least two defenders on him.

As much as I loved and still love DP, he's not a top-player anymore. He's at his best when he plays the last part of the game when defenses are tired.

that, kind sir, is rubbish!
 

NYJuve

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Mar 15, 2006
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Azzurri7 said:
He's not the player he has once been". Pardon Moi, neither is Ronaldo or Figo or Even Nedved and so on. Yet they keep producing "greatness". It's time to get over this theory or whatever you call it. Oh, and what did Del Piero prove to you this season? that he's not up to it anymore? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


That's why we should try to sell them (DP & Pavel) this year, when we could still manage to get some $$ (I read somewhere that Chelsea is interested in Pavel).
With that $$ we could try to get younger stars (Gerrard or C.Ronaldo, just to mention a couple).

I love DP & Pavel and I think they've been awesome with Juve.
Sure they could still play well and be decisive, but we need players like 3-years-ago Nedved or 8-years-ago Del Piero.
You don't win CL just with heart, we have to get over the fact that DP and Nedved cannot play forever.
 

Donsazio

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Feb 26, 2006
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i understand wat u mean.....but piero IS juve man, he puts the heart and sole into the team, i aint sayin ibra is crap, course he aint, but piero is doin better than him right now AND hes got the influence to push us forward..if we wanna beat arsenal at highbury...IT'S GONNA BE PIERO!!!

FORZA DEL PIERO!!!:D:D:D:D
 

NYJuve

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Mar 15, 2006
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Donsazio said:
i understand wat u mean.....but piero IS juve man, he puts the heart and sole into the team, i aint sayin ibra is crap, course he aint, but piero is doin better than him right now AND hes got the influence to push us forward..if we wanna beat arsenal at highbury...IT'S GONNA BE PIERO!!!

FORZA DEL PIERO!!!:D:D:D:D
I know what ur saying, I don't have preferences over our players.
As long as we go through, I don't care whether DP, Ibra or my grandma scores the decisive goal.

I'm just saying what I saw this season......first half of it, great Zlatan, great Juve, spectacular games.
Second half of the season, shitty Zlatan, shitty Juve, boring games, despite DP playing well. We must recover him, otherwise we're screwed.
 

Donsazio

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Feb 26, 2006
626
yea guess ur right, if zlatan plays his best europe WILL be kaking themselves, but i just don't see how he can manage to find his form back intime for the arsenal match...lets hope he scores a hattrick against roma lol
 

Maresca

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Aug 23, 2004
8,235
this fvck is getting sick.. how dare some of you say that DP is not a world class player anymore.??.. It is DP who saved us so many times this season, even if he is not playing that much. DP and Nedved are the only players who bring some structure in our play. without DP the only thing the team does is long balls.
Dp has scored 18 goals so far this season even if had played the half of minutes Zlatan did.. Just tell me in which game we played better with Zlatan?? against Bayern? against Milan? against Bremen?
shut the fvck up and do never say again that DP is not a class player anymore.. I do not consider such people as juve fans. DP is a JUVE legend and he had done so much for juve. every juve fan must respect him.
I do not have anything against Zlatan, He is one of my favourite players, BUT NOT IN THIS FORM. with this Form the only place for Zlatan is the bench in big matches.. and BTW, even Zlatan is victim of the tactics of capello

forza JUVE
 

Maresca

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Aug 23, 2004
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NYJuve said:
I know what ur saying, I don't have preferences over our players.
As long as we go through, I don't care whether DP, Ibra or my grandma scores the decisive goal.

I'm just saying what I saw this season......first half of it, great Zlatan, great Juve, spectacular games.
Second half of the season, shitty Zlatan, shitty Juve, boring games, despite DP playing well. We must recover him, otherwise we're screwed.
which games do you mean??
 

NYJuve

Junior Member
Mar 15, 2006
72
Maresca said:
this fvck is getting sick.. how dare some of you say that DP is not a world class player anymore.??.. It is DP who saved us so many times this season, even if he is not playing that much. DP and Nedved are the only players who bring some structure in our play. without DP the only thing the team does is long balls.
Dp has scored 18 goals so far this season even if had played the half of minutes Zlatan did.. Just tell me in which game we played better with Zlatan?? against Bayern? against Milan? against Bremen?
shut the fvck up and do never say again that DP is not a class player anymore.. I do not consider such people as juve fans. DP is a JUVE legend and he had done so much for juve. every juve fan must respect him.
I do not have anything against Zlatan, He is one of my favourite players, BUT NOT IN THIS FORM. with this Form the only place for Zlatan is the bench in big matches.. and BTW, even Zlatan is victim of the tactics of capello

forza JUVE

First of all, congratulations for being so respectful of other ppl opinions and for expressing your different views in such a polite way.
When did we play better with Zlatan on the field?
What about the first 20 games of our season??? I remember Parma, first leg-Inter, Roma, Fiorentina...just to tell u the big games.
That's also when Juve was playing as a dominant team, at home and away.
DP is Juve history. He's a legend too. So what? Should we start him till he's 50?
Even Zalayeta saved our ass several times. Start him instead of Trezeguet then.
:disagree:
 

NYJuve

Junior Member
Mar 15, 2006
72
Azzurri7 said:
I beg your partner????
I'm just being real.
Better get some milion $$ and save milion in salaries and get younger stars.
Now that they still have a market.
Or do we wanna do like Moratti with Inter??? Keeping Recoba with a 10m/year salary for having him play 2 matches/year?
 

Maresca

Senior Member
Aug 23, 2004
8,235
NYJuve said:
First of all, congratulations for being so respectful of other ppl opinions and for expressing your different views in such a polite way.
When did we play better with Zlatan on the field?
What about the first 20 games of our season??? I remember Parma, first leg-Inter, Roma, Fiorentina...just to tell u the big games.
That's also when Juve was playing as a dominant team, at home and away.
DP is Juve history. He's a legend too. So what? Should we start him till he's 50?
Even Zalayeta saved our ass several times. Start him instead of Trezeguet then.
:disagree:
ask the other users how I post normaly. But now it is enough, DP is Juve´s history, present and future. Just tell me where Zlatan was in the bigest games of the season. Bayern? Bremen? Milan? off course Zlatan had some good games, but he is not good enough, to start him instead of an inform DP..
 

giovanotti

ONE MAN ARMY
Aug 13, 2004
13,725
Azzurri7 said:
Negative.

We already saw what an Off-Form Zlatan can do. Chew the ball, not able to pass, not able to focus and always angry(well Even If he's In-Form he's like that). So I actually don't see how our team can play better.

Unlike Del Piero who's having a great season, we actually play better Football around him and we do have many options to do when he's on, and he proved it several times.

Saying he's not a top player anymore is pathetic IMO.....This statement ppl always try to throw it up when they dont find any other reason to talk about Del Piero..."He's not the player he has once been". Pardon Moi, neither is Ronaldo or Figo or Even Nedved and so on. Yet they keep producing "greatness". It's time to get over this theory or whatever you call it. Oh, and what did Del Piero prove to you this season? that he's not up to it anymore? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I agree with you,Rab,100%!!!!!
 

NYJuve

Junior Member
Mar 15, 2006
72
Maresca said:
ask the other users how I post normaly. But now it is enough, DP is Juve´s history, present and future. Just tell me where Zlatan was in the bigest games of the season. Bayern? Bremen? Milan? off course Zlatan had some good games, but he is not good enough, to start him instead of an inform DP..
Nobody could have great games 100% of the time.
Bremen doesn't count cuz he was already off-form.
And not casually Bayern and Milan (much worse case Bayern than Milan, IMO) were our only disappointing performances during the first half of the season. Right when Zlatan didn't play well. Is that a coincidence? Is that a coincidence that since he's off-form we've been playing like s*hit?
 

vletrmx

Junior Member
Mar 22, 2006
310
i've read in some site (don't remember which) that dp has spent almost all the week in physio training alone. that' s all i know. and it scared me a little. i hope he'll recover in time
 
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