Ciro Ferrara (18 Viewers)

Mark

The Informer
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Dec 19, 2003
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It just shows there was an offer but those guys we have on board didn't want to pay good $$$ for a good coach so that says to me if he's sacked we'll go for a guy like Gentile.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
dude seriously can you watch the language?

It's about $$$ so you think your boy's gonna come anyway?

relax!
gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh


i wasn't being serious with the insults, montreal.

still it was annoying you guys led people on with the open thread and what not, when it was obvious he was never going to come because our managmnet would never pay his requested salary.

also I know David Villa is not coming. Even if I say we can get him I know he's a dream as long as Juve continues being the shite hole it is because of the current managment.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
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It just shows there was an offer but those guys we have on board didn't want to pay good $$$ for a good coach so that says to me if he's sacked we'll go for a guy like Gentile.
I have this feeling that our board didn't want to take any risks this time.
I don't think paying what Hiddink wanted was a problem per se, but what happens if you give him a 2 or 2,5 years contract and the results don't improve. I think they wanted to avoid a new Ranieri or Andrade situation. Which is understandable to be honest.
 

Mark

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Dec 19, 2003
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HOPE man. That's one of the last things left for us poor Juventini. Some years ago we all know that the chances of having Guus AND Villa would be much higher. :cry:

You know those rumours, they lead you one way and then the other day another way.

Rock on Capital of Canada. :beer:
 

Mark

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Dec 19, 2003
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I have this feeling that our board didn't want to take any risks this time.
I don't think paying what Hiddink wanted was a problem per se, but what happens if you give him a 2 or 2,5 years contract and the results don't improve. I think they wanted to avoid a new Ranieri or Andrade situation. Which is understandable to be honest.
Sometimes you gotta takes these risks. The guy'.s a great coach so they'd be minimal IMO but that's out the window now. We know what they want now.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
I have this feeling that our board didn't want to take any risks this time.
I don't think paying what Hiddink wanted was a problem per se, but what happens if you give him a 2 or 2,5 years contract and the results don't improve. I think they wanted to avoid a new Ranieri or Andrade situation. Which is understandable to be honest.
on the flip side they took a chance with a no experience young cheap coach and look at the nightmare we are in.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
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Sometimes you gotta takes these risks. The guy'.s a great coach so they'd be minimal IMO but that's out the window now. We know what they want now.
You do have to take risks, especially in a "business" like football.

But let's look at Hiddink's recent coaching jobs: incredibly well paid gigs, at clubs/federations who were willing to pay him insane amounts of money. I'd assume that in these previous cases, certain clauses (such as consequences in case objectives were not met) may not have been included, due to the very nature of these jobs.

So, maybe the board was willing to pay the 7 million a season (or whatever it may have been), but maybe they weren't willing to do it without some kind of emergency exit in case things didn't work out as expected. And the inclusion of such an emergency way out could very well put off a coach like Hiddink who has remarkably little to prove right now anyway.


Of course, these are all just assumptions on my part, but those were my exact thoughts when Hiddink was first mentioned: he won't do it, instead he'll go to a club or NT (big or small, doesn't matter) where they'll throw a lot of money his way, almost unconditionally. Can't blame him for that either.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,882
on the flip side they took a chance with a no experience young cheap coach and look at the nightmare we are in.
True, but fire him now and it costs you very little. I don't exactly know how much Ciro is earning, but it's only a fraction of what a guy like Hiddink would earn.

If you give Hiddink a 2,5 year contract, earning 7 million a year, it could completely backfire. Imagine our results don't improve and you need to let him go after 6 months: that's 14 million down the drain.

So, do the positives outweigh the negatives in this case? Was this a risk worth taking? I really don't know to be honest.
 

Mark

The Informer
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Dec 19, 2003
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You do have to take risks, especially in a "business" like football.

But let's look at Hiddink's recent coaching jobs: incredibly well paid gigs, at clubs/federations who were willing to pay him insane amounts of money. I'd assume that in these previous cases, certain clauses (such as consequences in case objectives were not met) may not have been included, due to the very nature of these jobs.

So, maybe the board was willing to pay the 7 million a season (or whatever it may have been), but maybe they weren't willing to do it without some kind of emergency exit in case things didn't work out as expected. And the inclusion of such an emergency way out could very well put off a coach like Hiddink who has remarkably little to prove right now anyway.


Of course, these are all just assumptions on my part, but those were my exact thoughts when Hiddink was first mentioned: he won't do it, instead he'll go to a club or NT (big or small, doesn't matter) where they'll throw a lot of money his way, almost unconditionally. Can't blame him for that either.
possible.
 

only-juve

Senior Member
Jan 5, 2008
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True, but fire him now and it costs you very little. I don't exactly know how much Ciro is earning, but it's only a fraction of what a guy like Hiddink would earn.

If you give Hiddink a 2,5 year contract, earning 7 million a year, it could completely backfire. Imagine our results don't improve and you need to let him go after 6 months: that's 14 million down the drain.

So, do the positives outweigh the negatives in this case? Was this a risk worth taking? I really don't know to be honest.
If you think that way, you will never hire a top ranking Coach (probably ever) in the future. In every decision there is a risk and thats where the "experience" of the management comes in. Our guys just can't take real decisions not just in this case but in almost everything else related to the club (and the examples are many).

Look, the club have spent a "fortune" so far on players who could not add anything or improve our team (and we continue to do so) because we still can't create a real "team".

So what is smarter, to continue wasting more and more money on players that we might not necessary need or spend part of that money on hiring a WC coach who allready proved that he can create a well orginized teams that performed pretty well ?!

Hiddink is known to get the best out of he's players and right now almost all of our players are under-performing (he's exactly the kind of coaches that we need ATM).
 

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