Ciro Ferrara (10 Viewers)

[Vinman]

that seems to be the consensus

If Ferrara goes, Nedved will step in

La Gazzetta dello Sport understands Juventus will entrust the bench to Pavel Nedved if Ciro Ferrara were to resign or get the sack.

The Bianconeri are currently engulfed in a major crisis, having lost five of their last six games in all competitions.

Shareholders met yesterday to discuss the situation and ultimately decided to follow Jean-Claude Blanc in keeping faith in Ferrara.

However, in the event of Ferrara getting fired, Juventus would apparently pass up the chance to hire either Guus Hiddink or Luiz Felipe Scolari.

Keen not to spend a large amount of money on hiring a big name especially after being knocked out of the Champions League, shareholders feel Nedved would be the best man to take the team in hand.

The 37-year-old Czech has already rejected the opportunity to become Ferrara's assistant but La Gazzetta feels that were his friend Andrea Agnelli to offer him the top job, he would find it very difficult to decline.

Nedved has yet to complete his coaching badges but Luciano Bruni, the Primavera Coach, would be promoted to work along side him.

Are we just the targets of a very sick joke, or what ??!!!

This has got to be the most ridiculous article I've read in a long while, and I have to include BLANK'S fucked up comments after our recent losses

So, if Ferrara really stepped down (which I doubt), then Neddy would step in ?? I think Pavel would be smart enough to pass on the impending shitter, but then who would our board of idiots suggest next, Alessio Tacchinardi ???

 

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[K.O.]

Are we just the targets of a very sick joke, or what ??!!!

This has got to be the most ridiculous article I've read in a long while, and I have to include BLANK'S fucked up comments after our recent losses

So, if Ferrara really stepped down (which I doubt), then Neddy would step in ?? I think Pavel would be smart enough to pass on the impending shitter, but then who would our board of idiots suggest next, Alessio Tacchinardi ???

YES

 

[Vinman]

YES

 

[K.O.]

Chill out man. Just Kidding

 

[Lo-Pan]

Khalid, I wish I shared your enthusiasm, mate...And perhaps I could do, if I felt more sure that we are likely to sign a few players in January. But my concerns have become concrete, even after the meeting yesterday, Ciro given two more games. It looks like Blanc is to be believed, meaning CIRO STAYS and also NO TRANSFERS IN JANUARY.

In that case, I can't see any chance whatsoever for us to lift ourselves as a team.

Its appalling how the board are still backing Ciro. and the rumours about nedved must surely just be rumours, with no grounding in Fact...What kind of businessman would replace a coach with zero experience and zero sign of ANY natural competency with another of the same zero experience and a complete unknown talent for managerial duties.

don't get me wrong, mate...I am simply empty of belief in anything other than more failure whilst Ciro remains as Manager.

 

[swag]

Are we just the targets of a very sick joke, or what ??!!!

This has got to be the most ridiculous article I've read in a long while, and I have to include BLANK'S fucked up comments after our recent losses

So, if Ferrara really stepped down (which I doubt), then Neddy would step in ?? I think Pavel would be smart enough to pass on the impending shitter, but then who would our board of idiots suggest next, Alessio Tacchinardi ???

Again, I think it goes back to a board strategy of saving money until the summer, giving up on the Scudetto, and hoping to do better over the summer with a new CL campaign ahead of us.

 

[tibike]

It is really shame for such a legend to ruin his reputation by being stubborn and trying to prove that he can do it.

We all appreciate Ciro but he will be deff. better doing something else in club..

Being "stubborn" (I would say "determined") is why we loved him as a player in the first place.

 

[El Santo]

Can't Lippi operate like Hiddink did with Chelsea & Russia? Till summer. Most of his players play for us anyway.

I don't know if you can, but that will be a fantastic idea.

And i don't have enough boxers


Seriously, though, a treble is doable if the whole team lift it up in 2010 and we get ourselves some good signings in January. Let's say 10% chance of that happening.

Yeah man, I also believe! I expect my team to reach the ueropa cup final and win it!

But realistically we'll be lucky if we only get the Coppa this season.:frown:

 

[El Santo]

Again, I think it goes back to a board strategy of saving money until the summer, giving up on the Scudetto, and hoping to do better over the summer with a new CL campaign ahead of us.

One of the main reasons why I became a Juventino, was because I love our philosophy of never giving up. So if is true that we gave up, I feel nothing but disgust towards our board of directors all the way down to our players, for having this worthless mentallity.

 

[Gep]

Our club is like blind leading the blind. All this talk of Neddy is another load of horse shit. We're moving one step forward and two steps back. We're setting all kinds of records under Ciro but the wrong ones. 4-1 our heaviest CL home defeat, lost 5 out of 6 in all competitions. Now when was the last time that happened. Weve got good enough players to do the fucking job. Just lost in faith in the manager and once thats gone............Oh boy! time to go.

 

[baggio]

A coach is only as good as his team. I've thought about this ever since our catastrophic run ended with the winter break. I know all of us want Ciro out at the first possible sign of things going wrong. But the fact remains, that's going to guarantee nothing. Secco, Blanc and Ciro may be guilty of a few things without a doubt, but I dont think replacing them is going to address the root of our problem.

Looking at purchases like Melo and Diego, I'm sure we'd all agree our outlook toward them was a lot different in the summer. And I believe we'd be wrong to question their abilities without giving them an entire season to prove themselves. There is no doubt in my mind that while Blanc and Secco had the right ideas, they certainly didnt know how to execute them. The spending spree was clearly a knee jerk reaction, in response to the fans' pressurizing them to show Juve the money. The first thing they did was go after popular transfer targets, without aligning these players to a team strategy, or formation for that matter. We clearly remember Ferrara coming on board and requesting a deep lying playmaker in the mould of Gaetano D'agostino. What he got instead was Felipe Melo - a man whose role was very different. To a great extent, already designated to Momo Sissoko in the current team. These players came on board, and started off brilliantly. As the season wore on however, their best performances came few and far in between. I'd personally atttribute that to primarily one reason: the overwhelming focus on the role of newer players in the team. Sure, we changed formation after 6 years, but did we understand how the older players would fit in? The core of the team has clearly been affected and instead of a gradual shift, we've imposed this new style of play trying to focus on Diego's strengths - which may or may not work for the team. Where Ferrara has failed in my opinion has been his lack of ability to instill discipline and just as importantly, get over the fact that Felipe Melo is no D'agostino. This meant not being married to the 4-3-1-2, and being open to the 4-2-3-1, with Giovinco on the left. It's fair to criticize him on these fronts but I do feel he's an intelligent coach who probably would'nt have struggled as much had he inherited a team for the formation he had in mind. Another very valid point to note is how unfortunate Ferrara has been with injuries. It's a point we haven't considered when blaming him, but I dont care if it was Gasperini, Guardiola, Lippi, Ferguson or even Hiddink, they would've all struggled in a scenario where they had a team that lacked continuity. This to me has been the most difinitive factor as far as contributing to our failures go.

Look at our forwards, they've hardly ever played together. A midfield where Melo is not even being assigned the only job he knows how to do. And an ever injured Sissoko whose hardly gotten any continuity to find his legs. Ironically, the defense seemed like the only idea that would click because of the understanding three of those 4 have enjoyed over their time with the Azzurri, but even that has no credence, with Chiellini having been injured at various times, Canna rested and Grosso missing games on suspensions. Very clearly, this new Juventus, has shown that it has potential to do really well on every level - unfortunately, a variety of factors have coincided to ensure all this talent hasn't gelled as one unit. It's just a bunch of talented players, not a team. I personally, dont think Ferrara alone should shoulder the blame for that.

This is not written in defense of Ciro, because I personally feel somebody more experienced would probably do greater justice to a team trying to renegotiate its place in the upper echelons of Europe's elite. But I think going forward, we need to be very clear about what really ails us. At this point it's not one single person, especially not the one who makes the softest and most convenient target: the coach.

 

[Ahmed]

LMFAO, Nedved...

 

[Suns]

So, both Melo and Dunga are criticizing Ciro today for not having a clue how to play his players. So now its Melo, Prandelli and Dunga. What an embarrassment for Ciro..

Baggio,

Think about this before defending Ciro. Ranieri never lost 7 games during a season and Ciro has just played half yet. Ranieri didn't have players like Diego, Melo, Cannavaro, Grosso and Caceres. He had players like an old Nedved, Legrotagglie, two "fullbacks" in Molinaro and Grygera. What Ciro has done right now is beyond bad and he's clearly not up for this job.

 

[David01]

yep

 

[IrishZebra]

Forza Ciro

 

[K.O.]

A coach is only as good as his team. I've thought about this ever since our catastrophic run ended with the winter break. I know all of us want Ciro out at the first possible sign of things going wrong. But the fact remains, that's going to guarantee nothing. Secco, Blanc and Ciro may be guilty of a few things without a doubt, but I dont think replacing them is going to address the root of our problem.

Looking at purchases like Melo and Diego, I'm sure we'd all agree our outlook toward them was a lot different in the summer. And I believe we'd be wrong to question their abilities without giving them an entire season to prove themselves. There is no doubt in my mind that while Blanc and Secco had the right ideas, they certainly didnt know how to execute them. The spending spree was clearly a knee jerk reaction, in response to the fans' pressurizing them to show Juve the money. The first thing they did was go after popular transfer targets, without aligning these players to a team strategy, or formation for that matter. We clearly remember Ferrara coming on board and requesting a deep lying playmaker in the mould of Gaetano D'agostino. What he got instead was Felipe Melo - a man whose role was very different. To a great extent, already designated to Momo Sissoko in the current team. These players came on board, and started off brilliantly. As the season wore on however, their best performances came few and far in between. I'd personally atttribute that to primarily one reason: the overwhelming focus on the role of newer players in the team. Sure, we changed formation after 6 years, but did we understand how the older players would fit in? The core of the team has clearly been affected and instead of a gradual shift, we've imposed this new style of play trying to focus on Diego's strengths - which may or may not work for the team. Where Ferrara has failed in my opinion has been his lack of ability to instill discipline and just as importantly, get over the fact that Felipe Melo is no D'agostino. This meant not being married to the 4-3-1-2, and being open to the 4-2-3-1, with Giovinco on the left. It's fair to criticize him on these fronts but I do feel he's an intelligent coach who probably would'nt have struggled as much had he inherited a team for the formation he had in mind. Another very valid point to note is how unfortunate Ferrara has been with injuries. It's a point we haven't considered when blaming him, but I dont care if it was Gasperini, Guardiola, Lippi, Ferguson or even Hiddink, they would've all struggled in a scenario where they had a team that lacked continuity. This to me has been the most difinitive factor as far as contributing to our failures go.

Look at our forwards, they've hardly ever played together. A midfield where Melo is not even being assigned the only job he knows how to do. And an ever injured Sissoko whose hardly gotten any continuity to find his legs. Ironically, the defense seemed like the only idea that would click because of the understanding three of those 4 have enjoyed over their time with the Azzurri, but even that has no credence, with Chiellini having been injured at various times, Canna rested and Grosso missing games on suspensions. Very clearly, this new Juventus, has shown that it has potential to do really well on every level - unfortunately, a variety of factors have coincided to ensure all this talent hasn't gelled as one unit. It's just a bunch of talented players, not a team. I personally, dont think Ferrara alone should shoulder the blame for that.

This is not written in defense of Ciro, because I personally feel somebody more experienced would probably do greater justice to a team trying to renegotiate its place in the upper echelons of Europe's elite. But I think going forward, we need to be very clear about what really ails us. At this point it's not one single person, especially not the one who makes the softest and most convenient target: the coach.

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I agree on every single word you wrote. I've always wanted to share this idea.

+REP

 

[sateeh]

A coach is only as good as his team. I've thought about this ever since our catastrophic run ended with the winter break. I know all of us want Ciro out at the first possible sign of things going wrong. But the fact remains, that's going to guarantee nothing. Secco, Blanc and Ciro may be guilty of a few things without a doubt, but I dont think replacing them is going to address the root of our problem.

Looking at purchases like Melo and Diego, I'm sure we'd all agree our outlook toward them was a lot different in the summer. And I believe we'd be wrong to question their abilities without giving them an entire season to prove themselves. There is no doubt in my mind that while Blanc and Secco had the right ideas, they certainly didnt know how to execute them. The spending spree was clearly a knee jerk reaction, in response to the fans' pressurizing them to show Juve the money. The first thing they did was go after popular transfer targets, without aligning these players to a team strategy, or formation for that matter. We clearly remember Ferrara coming on board and requesting a deep lying playmaker in the mould of Gaetano D'agostino. What he got instead was Felipe Melo - a man whose role was very different. To a great extent, already designated to Momo Sissoko in the current team. These players came on board, and started off brilliantly. As the season wore on however, their best performances came few and far in between. I'd personally atttribute that to primarily one reason: the overwhelming focus on the role of newer players in the team. Sure, we changed formation after 6 years, but did we understand how the older players would fit in? The core of the team has clearly been affected and instead of a gradual shift, we've imposed this new style of play trying to focus on Diego's strengths - which may or may not work for the team. Where Ferrara has failed in my opinion has been his lack of ability to instill discipline and just as importantly, get over the fact that Felipe Melo is no D'agostino. This meant not being married to the 4-3-1-2, and being open to the 4-2-3-1, with Giovinco on the left. It's fair to criticize him on these fronts but I do feel he's an intelligent coach who probably would'nt have struggled as much had he inherited a team for the formation he had in mind. Another very valid point to note is how unfortunate Ferrara has been with injuries. It's a point we haven't considered when blaming him, but I dont care if it was Gasperini, Guardiola, Lippi, Ferguson or even Hiddink, they would've all struggled in a scenario where they had a team that lacked continuity. This to me has been the most difinitive factor as far as contributing to our failures go.

Look at our forwards, they've hardly ever played together. A midfield where Melo is not even being assigned the only job he knows how to do. And an ever injured Sissoko whose hardly gotten any continuity to find his legs. Ironically, the defense seemed like the only idea that would click because of the understanding three of those 4 have enjoyed over their time with the Azzurri, but even that has no credence, with Chiellini having been injured at various times, Canna rested and Grosso missing games on suspensions. Very clearly, this new Juventus, has shown that it has potential to do really well on every level - unfortunately, a variety of factors have coincided to ensure all this talent hasn't gelled as one unit. It's just a bunch of talented players, not a team. I personally, dont think Ferrara alone should shoulder the blame for that.

This is not written in defense of Ciro, because I personally feel somebody more experienced would probably do greater justice to a team trying to renegotiate its place in the upper echelons of Europe's elite. But I think going forward, we need to be very clear about what really ails us. At this point it's not one single person, especially not the one who makes the softest and most convenient target: the coach.

good points there mate, certainly a deeper outlook to whats been happening.
We have a break and the problems are difficult but evident. Lets see what Ciro could now. He has a horribly tough job to get the players around him again because they seem to have lost the faith in him and themselves and we the fans are the ultimate losers.

So, both Melo and Dunga are criticizing Ciro today for not having a clue how to play his players. So now its Melo, Prandelli and Dunga. What an embarrassment for Ciro..

Baggio,

Think about this before defending Ciro. Ranieri never lost 7 games during a season and Ciro has just played half yet. Ranieri didn't have players like Diego, Melo, Cannavaro, Grosso and Caceres. He had players like an old Nedved, Legrotagglie, two "fullbacks" in Molinaro and Grygera. What Ciro has done right now is beyond bad and he's clearly not up for this job.

Everyone was complaining about how CR's focus was defensive even though he knew this team was not good enough as unit to defend. Modern football mandates that and that is why CR kept a very solid team. I think Ciro was instructed to play more open football and if he is trying to do that.

He could've easily put a bunch of defensive players and hope for a piece of magic like CR did. He mentioned on multiple times how the change of tactics affected the team and what Baggio mentioned comes into play in regards to the older players not adapting (that includes players like Legro and Amauri). Also you're hailling Caceras now, but Ciro is the one who stuck with him while everyone was calling for him to get benched.

 

[Tommy]

is there any sign of a change? :frown:

 

[Dostoevsky]

Trez looks like he's going to eat your username.

 

[YasoR17]

is there any sign of a change? :frown:

Change? No we can't