Ciro Ferrara (47 Viewers)

puzzu

Junior Member
Jun 15, 2007
127
i hope soo too only-juve, i think it would be a mistake not too give him time. thanks for the nice words :beer:
I dont agree. Ferrara should be sacked now before tomorrow. He had enough time to prove himself. 13 games plus 5 CL games are more than enough for a coach to prove his abilities. The team is demoralised, without direction, personality, motivation and determination. He is cahnging foarmation every game. Besides, for the 3rd year consequently we bought the wrong players. We didnt need Melo and Diego. We had Zanetti who is much better than Melo. With the money we paid to Melo and Diego, we could have bought D'Agostino and a good Left Back. But our Blanc doesnt know the needs of the team. Our players know only the 4-4-2 formation. Cannavaro has past his best days and Gross is not a defender, he is an attacker. Any year is wasted, we will finish 10th and next saturday we will be humiliated by Inter. I hope we will be elimated by Bayern as I not want to see my team being humiliated by Barcellona, Real Madrid, Chelsea or Man United. We should sack Ferrara and the management.
 

David01

Senior Member
Aug 20, 2006
2,825
like I've said before, we win our next two games and everybody here will blow another tune but two games won't make him a better or worse coach
there isn't a single coach in the world who hasn't hit a dry spell in his career
now is the time for him to prove his worth
everybody here was overjoyed we got rid of Ranieri and assigned Ciro
he started off well and now that he hits a snag you guys think he is worthless
you all want to replace him with Hiddink? the Hiddink who failed to qualify Russia for the WC or the one who was fired at Real and Valencia?
no you all want the one who performed miracles with mediocre teams like S-Korea and Australia
well they are all the same
you can't judge a coach on half a season, give him time and judge him after one or two seasons
I know we have a lot to lose in two seasons time but if you switch coaches every time you lose a couple of games you'll turn out to be another Palermo with no continuity and no results
we're going to lose more games but in the end our faith in him will produce results, I'm sure
let him prove he's the right man for the job
he has had his problems with tactics and injuries but he'll learn from these problems and/or mistakes
as long as he has the backing of the squad I have faith he will turn this around
 

puzzu

Junior Member
Jun 15, 2007
127
like I've said before, we win our next two games and everybody here will blow another tune but two games won't make him a better or worse coach
there isn't a single coach in the world who hasn't hit a dry spell in his career
now is the time for him to prove his worth
everybody here was overjoyed we got rid of Ranieri and assigned Ciro
he started off well and now that he hits a snag you guys think he is worthless
you all want to replace him with Hiddink? the Hiddink who failed to qualify Russia for the WC or the one who was fired at Valencia?
no you all want the one who performed miracles with mediocre teams like S-Korea
well they are all the same
you can't judge a coach on half a season, give him time and judge him after one or two seasons
I know we have a lot to lose in two seasons time but if you switch coaches every time you lose a couple of games you'll turn out to be another Palermo with no continuity and no results
we're going to lose more games but in the end our faith in him will produce results, I'm sure
let him prove he's the right man for the job
he has had his problems with tactics and injuries but he'll learn from these problems and/or mistakes
as long as he has the backing of the squad I have faith he will turn this around
I never favoured Ciro. A coach cant win if he never coached before. Besides that, he is too soft. He doesnt shout with the players during the games to give them directions. He is a flop, even if he stays 3 years more, he will never win. He is worse than Ranieri and Maifredi. Under ranieri we never were 8 points under Inter after 13 games and on saturday we will be 11 points.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,037
I hope we will be elimated by Bayern as I not want to see my team being humiliated by Barcellona, Real Madrid, Chelsea or Man United. We should sack Ferrara and the management.
So you hope we crash out of the Champions League and lose out on revenue? Wow. That's cool.

And in case you didn't know, fucking Jesus Christ could manage this team himself and we STILL could get humiliated by those teams you mentioned. So basically you said absolutely nothing there.

Sort your life out mate.
 

David01

Senior Member
Aug 20, 2006
2,825
and how do you know he's soft? have you been training with the squad?
and Hiddink is a hell of a coach because he talks to his players giving them confi,dence not by shouting at them or by his tactical brilliance
I don't know if Ciro is a good coach just like you don't know if he is a bad one, not after what 13 games?
so don't give me this bs that he is too soft cuz you don't have a clue what he is like on the training pitch
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
47,928
frankly speaking, right now I couldn't give a fuck how good or bad Ciro's coaching is...we need 2 Ws in the next 2 games, that's fuckin' it!
 

Lo-Pan

Disciple of Gonzo
Feb 11, 2009
2,788
Gus Hiddink has not only proven successful with teams lacking quality and needing solely to be pulled together into a solid unit...S. Korea...Australia...What he did at Chelsea last season was immense. They were a shambles. No direction, lacking spirit, drive, determination, but a squad brimming with quality. The changes in tactics he introduced were far from revolutionary, and totally surrounding MAN MANAGEMENT...which goes back to the general thrust of the quoted passages from the Lippi book overview. None of which was surprising, all of which seemed like simply well stated fundamentals. A happy, together team, who plays for each other, for the coach, for the club, is likely to give as much as they possibly can to The Cause...A manager need not read Lippi's book to come across such a basic idea.

I have calmed down a little since Sunday. And whilst I would take Gus Hiddink if possible, as I will believe in the Board, they are likely to give Ciro until the end of the season, or at least well past the current period of darkness. I accept that, and can agree with their reasoning, to a degree. Its just a Risk, turning into a bigger risk by the week. Though...if we are looking unlikely to qualify for the champions league, by January, still faltering, showing no promise or spirit, then I would hope they have the common and business sense to give Ciro the CHOP. Giving the new man time to get us back near the top, at least towards 2nd or 3rd.

Blanc asks for civility. I will give him and his decisions just that...for now. As showing outrage is unlikely to hurt anyone but myself. For now...

so forza ciro...forza juve...
 

sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
8,020
I guess one way of thinking about is that we gave Ranieri two seasons, while we don't want to give Ciro half a season. It is difficult not call for his head after the investment in the summer and the way we have been playing during the past two months.
 

Salvo

J
Moderator
Dec 17, 2007
62,797
we would be fine if the team had some sort of gameplan, i remember the same shit happenig with ranieri.

right now they have none, or refuse to listen.

formation isnt the problem, game plan is.
 

giovanotti

ONE MAN ARMY
Aug 13, 2004
13,725
I dont agree. Ferrara should be sacked now before tomorrow.
He had enough time to prove himself. 13 games plus 5 CL games are more than enough for a coach to prove his abilities. The team is demoralised, without direction, personality, motivation and determination.
Who would you bring insteard of Ferrara (seriously avoiding the dreamd about Guus)?
He is cahnging foarmation every game. Besides, for the 3rd year consequently we bought the wrong players. We didnt need Melo and Diego. We had Zanetti who is much better than Melo. With the money we paid to Melo and Diego, we could have bought D'Agostino and a good Left Back. But our Blanc doesnt know the needs of the team. Our players know only the 4-4-2 formation. Cannavaro has past his best days and Gross is not a defender, he is an attacker.
Why would you sack Ferrara if we(according to you) made some "stupid" moves with Diego,Grosso and Melo,you think that Guus would handle that...?
Any year is wasted, we will finish 10th and next saturday we will be humiliated by Inter. I hope we will be elimated by Bayern as I not want to see my team being humiliated by Barcellona, Real Madrid, Chelsea or Man United. We should sack Ferrara and the management.
Toooooo many "humiliated" words.
 

Mohad

The Ocean Star
May 20, 2009
6,689
I don't understand how people can blame Ferrara. It was always going to be difficult to integrate 5 new players as well as change the formation. And the management didn't make it any easier. If they signed a winger instead of Diego then they could have continued playing a 4-4-2. Then Ferrara wouldn't have had to change the entire tactical set up. Diego is a great player, but its going to take time to integrate him and the new formation.

Ferrara had also wanted a regista and the management failed to get him that. So now Ciro needs to discover a tactical set up that works with the players he has instead of playing the one he originally planned. This was made even more difficult because of all the injuries. So people blaming Ferrara need to consider all the factors.
 

Ken

The Dutch Touch
Aug 17, 2007
13,340
I don't understand how people can blame Ferrara. It was always going to be difficult to integrate 5 new players as well as change the formation. And the management didn't make it any easier. If they signed a winger instead of Diego then they could have continued playing a 4-4-2. Then Ferrara wouldn't have had to change the entire tactical set up. Diego is a great player, but its going to take time to integrate him and the new formation.

Ferrara had also wanted a regista and the management failed to get him that. So now Ciro needs to discover a tactical set up that works with the players he has instead of playing the one he originally planned. This was made even more difficult because of all the injuries. So people blaming Ferrara need to consider all the factors.
You make a fair point, but Ferrara's decisions haven't made it easy to appreciate the work he's doing, surely you agree? Del Piero, after being injured for months, fielded as a left winger, leaving him there for a whole half? Marchisio, just back from injury.. stuck on the wing instead of Giovinco? These and some other substitutions/changes he's made don't really make sense to anyone, but Ciro.

It's too easy to blame him for everything, ofcourse it is, but he sure as hell isn't getting the most out of the situation and the team. That's what people blame him for, and for a certain part, rightfully so.
 

Mohad

The Ocean Star
May 20, 2009
6,689
He did obvious mistakes and he's learning from his mistakes. Not many other coaches would be doing better right now in my opinion. Too many new players and too many mediocre players. That combined with the new formation and new tactics makes it very difficult for the players and ANY coach.
 

only-juve

Senior Member
Jan 5, 2008
7,451
You make a fair point, but Ferrara's decisions haven't made it easy to appreciate the work he's doing, surely you agree? Del Piero, after being injured for months, fielded as a left winger, leaving him there for a whole half? Marchisio, just back from injury.. stuck on the wing instead of Giovinco? These and some other substitutions/changes he's made don't really make sense to anyone, but Ciro.
Personly i understand exactly why he did that and its not out of ignorants or stupidity that he did that.
 

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