Ciro Ferrara (9 Viewers)
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Well, if you say good, I could maybe agree with you. But most in form player: I don't think so :
- 3rd worst player in the Cagliari game.
- (Arguably) the worst player in the Bordeaux game.
- Ok in the Udinese game, but nothing great.
- I did not see the Atalanta game.
- Decent away to Maccabi, definitely not one of the better players on the pitch.
- One of the better players in the Napoli game.
- Pretty good against Samp, but not one of the best players on the pitch.
- One of the worst players away to Siena.
To me that just doesn't add up to a great run of form. (Edit: based on my own reading & impression of the games obviously)
- 3rd worst player in the Cagliari game.
- (Arguably) the worst player in the Bordeaux game.
- Ok in the Udinese game, but nothing great.
- I did not see the Atalanta game.
- Decent away to Maccabi, definitely not one of the better players on the pitch.
- One of the better players in the Napoli game.
- Pretty good against Samp, but not one of the best players on the pitch.
- One of the worst players away to Siena.
To me that just doesn't add up to a great run of form. (Edit: based on my own reading & impression of the games obviously)
Agreed. The work he's done at Fiorentina is amazing, i really like that he has turned them into a team that consistently aims for the top four. 
That is an interesting about system and I was a bit disappointed with the way it was abandoned so quickly. But I guess Ciro didn't have much choice, as the main personnel weren't available and the performances were horrible.
I still think its the best system we could use. The main issue with it was exposure of the backline( often only Melo was left to deal with the incoming attacks) and the other was creativity in the final third. Having both mommo ,either marchi or camo and alex would fix that.
Anyway, Ciro has bigger problems than the system imo.
I still think its the best system we could use. The main issue with it was exposure of the backline( often only Melo was left to deal with the incoming attacks) and the other was creativity in the final third. Having both mommo ,either marchi or camo and alex would fix that.
Anyway, Ciro has bigger problems than the system imo.
In our first 3 games against Chievo, roma and lazio we did manage to collect all 9points but performance wise the team did not impress (other than Roma game that we had a "decent" performance in the rest were average or even below average performances IMO) we were lucky to get away with 3 points in most of those games.
Genoa are 6th (with the worst defence in the league this season) just 2 points away from Fiorentina yet people rate Gasperini high around this forum. Prandelli is overrated but Gasperini is the real deal
try to figure this out....
Genoa are 6th (with the worst defence in the league this season) just 2 points away from Fiorentina yet people rate Gasperini high around this forum. Prandelli is overrated but Gasperini is the real deal
try to figure this out....
Sack Ciro and put anyone in the world in his place and we'll still suck because you can't draw blood from a stone...the players can't do what they are not capable of doing. Too many shitty players are what's really hurting us.
Then there's the world-class players debate which for me, we only really have one possibly two actual world-class caliber players. We have others with the potential but they haven't played to it or lived up to it yet. We really need to look into offloading a few players come January or July. Because as we've seen since we made it back to Serie A, quantity =/= quality.
Well
-about the Bordeuax game,every time he needs to get becak and pick up the ball(which is without doubt the job of other players)his attacking performances are repulsed.
-I disagree about your view on the game against Maccabi,in my opinion one of the best players there,keeping the ball when it's needed and providing almost 50% of our attacks.
-Atalanta game,you missed him there,to bad you didn't watch the game because he as amazing.
-about the Bordeuax game,every time he needs to get becak and pick up the ball(which is without doubt the job of other players)his attacking performances are repulsed.
-I disagree about your view on the game against Maccabi,in my opinion one of the best players there,keeping the ball when it's needed and providing almost 50% of our attacks.
-Atalanta game,you missed him there,to bad you didn't watch the game because he as amazing.
He probably was one of the better players in the Atalanta game, at least that's what the highlights lead me to believe, but I can't really comment on that.
And you're right if you say most of our players sucked against Bordeaux, I just think he was even worse than most of, if not all, the others. Did he have to do the job of other players? Maybe, but he did not have to perform multiple atrocious tackles. If that would have been a fair referee, he would have sent Camo off. Without a doubt.
Anyway, if you think Camo has been (one of) the best player(s) recently, then I'll respect that opinion. I just don't agree with it, that's all.
And now back to Don Ciro
And you're right if you say most of our players sucked against Bordeaux, I just think he was even worse than most of, if not all, the others. Did he have to do the job of other players? Maybe, but he did not have to perform multiple atrocious tackles. If that would have been a fair referee, he would have sent Camo off. Without a doubt.
Anyway, if you think Camo has been (one of) the best player(s) recently, then I'll respect that opinion. I just don't agree with it, that's all.
And now back to Don Ciro
i've waited a little while to calm down after last sundays display so i can think clearly about the current situation.
yes we were awuful, and i can safely say our display was a lot worse than the one we showed against borduex. i agree with everyone's input regarding our team and even ciro but i cant but draw similarities between how we r acting now and how inter supporters acted before calciopoli. it sickens me to see all this anger being poured on ferrera only.
i strongly believe ferrera was never meant for instant success at juve, and if people thought we would win a treble in his first season then i'm afriad u got it all wrong. the comparisons between pep and ferrera are not just silly they r quite ridiculous for massive differences in quality of the team and personality characteristics. i think its too early to call pep world class imo. yes he is a winner but that is due to the fact he has a wining machine and he has a strong personality with his players. this is his second season and you can clearly see he learned from the mistakes he made last season and he learned that on the job and not cos he is a genius.
i think ferrera is no different. yes he made some amateur mistakes specially his subs but we all tend to forget that he is taking his first steps in the coaching business and he has to do with an injury plagued side.
i never read lippi's book Il Gioco delle Idee: Pensieri e Passioni da Bordo Campo (A Game of Ideas: Thoughts and Passions from the Sidelines), but according to this:
Coaching philosophy
In his book Il Gioco delle Idee: Pensieri e Passioni da Bordo Campo (A Game of Ideas: Thoughts and Passions from the Sidelines), Lippi outlined his coaching philosophy. First and foremost, Lippi emphasizes the importance of team spirit and team unity. Lippi likens a psychologically well integrated football team to the functioning of a psychologically healthy family. On the strategic aspect of coaching, Lippi emphasizes the importance of the mutual relations between players. Players must all follow the same plan and play for each other, "not" for themselves. Importantly, Lippi argues that "a group of the best players do not necessarily make for the best team." What is more important, he argues, is that the tactical plan or formation is one that allows each player to maximize (1) their utility for their teammates and (2) the expression of their full potential. Moreover, Lippi also notes that the choice of tactical formation is necessarily constrained by the qualities of the players available. Thus, selecting the best possible team not only requires finding the right combination of players for the chosen formation, but also finding right formation for the chosen players. Hence the title of his book, A Game of Ideas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcello_Lippi
i think ferrera is a student of the lippi way of coaching and i would imagine it a massive mistake to let go of him now, yes he has a lot to deal with but i'm sure he will get it right and as soon as he gets this machine oiled up he will def lead us back to where we belong. i hate to see our team become inter which never gave its managers a chance to sort there team out. a good example is lippi at inter who was sacked by inter just to go back to juve and win the league!! lets give him time we were never contenders for the league nor the cl realistically not bec we dont have the talent or world class players but simply bec we are still looking for the perfect formation and style of play to get the best out of this team.
imo ferrera needs to impose his philosophy, not just listen to our wishes or the wishes and suggestions of news papers. he is not an idiot. he needs to have guts to bench players who are under performing even if they are juventus living legends if its for the best for the team.
guss hiddink as amazing as it sounds is not very realistic bec there are several others clubs that he would rather go to. i dont know on what basis are we demanding his arrival if he is still with the russian team??
yes we were awuful, and i can safely say our display was a lot worse than the one we showed against borduex. i agree with everyone's input regarding our team and even ciro but i cant but draw similarities between how we r acting now and how inter supporters acted before calciopoli. it sickens me to see all this anger being poured on ferrera only.
i strongly believe ferrera was never meant for instant success at juve, and if people thought we would win a treble in his first season then i'm afriad u got it all wrong. the comparisons between pep and ferrera are not just silly they r quite ridiculous for massive differences in quality of the team and personality characteristics. i think its too early to call pep world class imo. yes he is a winner but that is due to the fact he has a wining machine and he has a strong personality with his players. this is his second season and you can clearly see he learned from the mistakes he made last season and he learned that on the job and not cos he is a genius.
i think ferrera is no different. yes he made some amateur mistakes specially his subs but we all tend to forget that he is taking his first steps in the coaching business and he has to do with an injury plagued side.
i never read lippi's book Il Gioco delle Idee: Pensieri e Passioni da Bordo Campo (A Game of Ideas: Thoughts and Passions from the Sidelines), but according to this:
Coaching philosophy
In his book Il Gioco delle Idee: Pensieri e Passioni da Bordo Campo (A Game of Ideas: Thoughts and Passions from the Sidelines), Lippi outlined his coaching philosophy. First and foremost, Lippi emphasizes the importance of team spirit and team unity. Lippi likens a psychologically well integrated football team to the functioning of a psychologically healthy family. On the strategic aspect of coaching, Lippi emphasizes the importance of the mutual relations between players. Players must all follow the same plan and play for each other, "not" for themselves. Importantly, Lippi argues that "a group of the best players do not necessarily make for the best team." What is more important, he argues, is that the tactical plan or formation is one that allows each player to maximize (1) their utility for their teammates and (2) the expression of their full potential. Moreover, Lippi also notes that the choice of tactical formation is necessarily constrained by the qualities of the players available. Thus, selecting the best possible team not only requires finding the right combination of players for the chosen formation, but also finding right formation for the chosen players. Hence the title of his book, A Game of Ideas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcello_Lippi
i think ferrera is a student of the lippi way of coaching and i would imagine it a massive mistake to let go of him now, yes he has a lot to deal with but i'm sure he will get it right and as soon as he gets this machine oiled up he will def lead us back to where we belong. i hate to see our team become inter which never gave its managers a chance to sort there team out. a good example is lippi at inter who was sacked by inter just to go back to juve and win the league!! lets give him time we were never contenders for the league nor the cl realistically not bec we dont have the talent or world class players but simply bec we are still looking for the perfect formation and style of play to get the best out of this team.
imo ferrera needs to impose his philosophy, not just listen to our wishes or the wishes and suggestions of news papers. he is not an idiot. he needs to have guts to bench players who are under performing even if they are juventus living legends if its for the best for the team.
guss hiddink as amazing as it sounds is not very realistic bec there are several others clubs that he would rather go to. i dont know on what basis are we demanding his arrival if he is still with the russian team??