Ciro Ferrara (26 Viewers)

Jun 18, 2007
73
The ship is sinking . You cant keep thinking Ciro is better coach than Ranieri . I see winning nothing this season . At least with Ranieri we finished 2nd with half quality team. I wonder know what Ranieri can do with all these players we got now

Im not saying Ranieri is a huge great coach but hes better than Ciro.

Boring games . No goals .
 

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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,153
The ship is sinking . You cant keep thinking Ciro is better coach than Ranieri . I see winning nothing this season . At least with Ranieri we finished 2nd with half quality team. I wonder know what Ranieri can do with all these players we got now

Im not saying Ranieri is a huge great coach but hes better than Ciro.

Boring games . No goals .
You DO realize we are currently second, don't you?
 

Mohad

The Ocean Star
May 20, 2009
6,695
I think when you have Camo, Del Piero and Diego in the same formation you can't let a team like Bordoux control the ball. Also, if Ciro wanted to play deep defending don't except to win. We were like Inter. :yuck:
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,773
Neighbor's grass always seems greener than ours. You should have gone to Bordeaux forum and read about all the comment from 2 seasons ago.. then compare to Ferrara today..

Blanc did a really good job build their squad and team. He definitely has plan what kind of football he want to play. He has strong CB and pacey balanced FB also good AM that they can play high tempo attacking football. Ferrara only have this half season and still searching for the most suited formation for our team. The plan is to play with 4-3-1-2 in the beginning of the season but it seems he got it all wrong
:tup: Nice perspective there + rep. But we all know patience runs out quickly at a club like Juventus.
 

BillyG

Caribbean Ultra
Nov 25, 2006
4,151
This is what Buffon said yesterday:

“Here (in Italy) you need physical strength and a bit of quality, but in Europe everyone is very organised and you risk some costly slip-ups.

We saw with Inter that if you don’t have a truly strong organised system, you won’t be able to dominate teams on your travels.

The only Italian side who can do that are Milan and that’s why they traditionally do so well in this competition.”
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Buffon said the same thing Diego did, but Gigi didn't mention Ferrara. Buffon also says there that we're not organized.

Diego plays bad and should look at himself first. Yes, I accept that.
But the same goes for 90% of our team and our stars. It simply can't be a coincidence that all of them play bad and all of them look so lost on the pitch.
Maybe they actually are looking at their bad performances and trying to fix that, but they simply can't do shit when there is no plan and no organization.

Ranieri didn't get so much shit because the guy actually had some kind of organized system and he had a plan. Maybe an ugly system, a 4-4-2 with lots of defending, but he knew what he wanted and especially against the big teams we performed well and managed to neutralize them. That alone implies that Ranieri was studying the opponents well before we played them.

Ferrara is obviously not doing even that and if players start calling on his tactics so early, then you know that you have a big problem.

Look at the situation with Del Piero yesterday. Ferrara tried a 4-3-1-2 and it failed. Then he tried a 4-2-3-1 that worked.
And every tactic, no matter if it's 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 etc will work if it suits the players. The 4-2-3-1 didn't work because it was 4-2-3-1, it worked because the players who played in that tactic were well suited for it.
Now Ciro took out one important factor in that 4-2-3-1 (Giovinco) and replaced him with a player who can't play there and admitted himself that he can't play there. Automatically the tactic fails when you don't have the needed players for that tactic.
But Ciro was afraid to switch back to the tactic that failed, and he decides to go with the tactic that worked, but with players who won't work in that tactic.

Absolutely no organization. Players aren't blind. They worked under many coaches. If they come out publicly criticizing, then i believe that they tried to solve the problems internally, but it didn't work.
You've hit the hail bang on the head there Alen. I saw the same thing and was bemused as to why he didn't switch back to 4-2-3-1 once Gio was on?! maybe Camo didn't have the legs, i don't know.

But also to me the game cried out for one of our base 2 to be a player who can pass the ball as we were only able to hold onto it for more than one attack at a time. Maligned as he is i think Tiago or the in-form Poulsen should have replaced the shambolic Melo at the half with Gio coming on for Ale at the half as well. IMO that may have turned it around for us. The lack of Gio's pace on the left was so glaring, a blind man could see it.

We need to get over the Ale must start compulsion (YES I SAID IT!!!). He does not fit into our system and we should change the way we play for ONE player. People may argue that we can play the 4-3-2-1 but with our current crop of fullbacks I would not want to rely solely on them for width at the side of a narrow 3-man midfield. Also, yes camo can play the odd game in the centre and be brilliant but he is wasted in the middle when he can be causing more havoc playing wide on the right.

Melo also clearly need a rest. This he needs some time on the bench to recover from his lack of a summer vacation. This is more than convenient now as I think for the first time for the season we have all 5 of our CMs fit to play.

Just my opinion/observation. Peace!
 

Lo-Pan

Disciple of Gonzo
Feb 11, 2009
2,788
Ciro's decision to field DP on wednesday was one which I am unsure if he can recover from. It made no sense whatsoever. Especially after Ciro himself had said that he can't play there.

Why was Canna rested???
Was the cagliari game deemed more important???

I feel sorry for him, but not as bad as I feel for the team as a whole, because for the majority of the season so far, our output has been far less than the cum of our collected parts.

This is not a club where managers can cut their teeth, learn their trade, through trial and error, its a club of immense prestige.

What gasperini said a month back was correct and justified, not sour grapes.
 

Linebreak

Senior Member
Sep 18, 2009
16,022
Guys

It's quite simple.

Ciro is not the man for the job.

Whether he uses a 3-5-1,, 4-2-3-1,, 4-3-1-2,, 9-1-1,, it's not going to work because he does not have the tactical mindset, the personality or the experience

He is not the man for the job.

Someone experienced like Guus would be preferable.

The way Juve played last night was nothing short of horrendous
 

Paolo Sosa

Senior Member
Nov 11, 2005
2,377
look guys i have 100% faith in our team to qualify for the secand round in the CL, as if and only if Ciro changed the formation to 4-3-1-2, even though this may be a little boring to watch but it will give us the protection that we need in the game against Bayern. if Ciro want to risk qualifiction then he could stick to 4-2-3-1 which seems to be enough for the scudetto race.
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
47,928
Guys

It's quite simple.

Ciro is not the man for the job.

Whether he uses a 3-5-1,, 4-2-3-1,, 4-3-1-2,, 9-1-1,, it's not going to work because he does not have the tactical mindset, the personality or the experience

He is not the man for the job.

Someone experienced like Guus would be preferable.

The way Juve played last night was nothing short of horrendous

:howler: "tactical mindset"

please explain what you mean by this, throwing around fancy words is not gonna cut it
 
Mar 24, 2006
13,951
Enough with tons of the blames , Give this man a time to do his job , time will tells ,but for sure peoples here need to wake up and forget to see us lift the CL cup this year , we ain't win that trophy this season , our MAIN OBJECTIVE is win SERIE-A this season !

:bigscarf:
 

Linebreak

Senior Member
Sep 18, 2009
16,022
:howler: "tactical mindset"

please explain what you mean by this, throwing around fancy words is not gonna cut it
It's not hard to understand.

A coach may say to their team "Go out and do your best"

Or a coach may deeply study the opposing team, identify their weaknesses, train his team to take advantage of these weaknesses, and then say to his team "go out and stick to what we've worked on" - this is a tactical mindset

From the number of changes Ciro made last game, it's quite clear he sends his team out and hopes for the best, he has no gameplan, no tactics in mind.
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
47,928
if the opposition had a better calibre of players than us, then you would look to tackle their weaknesses, but this wasn't the case...WE had the better personnel and WE were expected to produce the result...WE should have played to our strengths, but unfortunately, that could not happen, the whole team had a very, very poor game...

and what changes are you referring to? you do realise that Canna was unfit and that we have ZERO fit strikers...that was arguably our strongest XI we could have played out there
 

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