Wasting time against these useless losers was just awesome .. 
What a shame !!!!!
What a shame !!!!!
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Ciro Ferrara, for the majority of his career, use to play in a results minded team, a team that use to hold on to 1-0 or 2-0 leads, one that never played flamboyant football, one that exerted effort according to the scoreboard.
He was assistant coach to an Italian national team whom also played the same way, 1-0 was always enough.
And the head coach of that team, Marcello Lippi, only plays result based football.
And now Ferrara, head coach of a Juventus that has for years played result based 1-0 type football, a coach that has only ever known results based football in his playing and coaching career, thinks he can somehow change his mentality, and the teams, into a flamboyant, attacking, graceful one.
I really can't see how that's possible.
He was assistant coach to an Italian national team whom also played the same way, 1-0 was always enough.
And the head coach of that team, Marcello Lippi, only plays result based football.
And now Ferrara, head coach of a Juventus that has for years played result based 1-0 type football, a coach that has only ever known results based football in his playing and coaching career, thinks he can somehow change his mentality, and the teams, into a flamboyant, attacking, graceful one.
I really can't see how that's possible.
Ask Sampdoria.
It's possible when we have all our players there. But soon as Sissoko is out and Poulsen plays, we lose a bit of power. Now Gio is out.. we basically lose creativity on the left flank. Injuries are tough on us.
I see your point though, I expect more 1-0 wins 'the Italian way' than high score beauties.
It's possible when we have all our players there. But soon as Sissoko is out and Poulsen plays, we lose a bit of power. Now Gio is out.. we basically lose creativity on the left flank. Injuries are tough on us.
I see your point though, I expect more 1-0 wins 'the Italian way' than high score beauties.
Wasting time against these useless losers was just awesome ..
What a shame !!!!!
What a shame !!!!!
But yeah, Maccabi is awful bunch of losers. I've seen them just two times and already hate them.
Keeping the possession was indeed awesome (not in a sarcastic way the previous poster said it). Having in mind how we, before tonight, were just kicking the ball in the last minutes and giving it back to the opponent (which cost us a win against Bologna and almost cost us a win against Chievo and Maccabi in Turin. Or the way we lost it against Napoli... etc etc) I was impressed how we wasted time tonight. Every big team does it when they have a small 1 goal advantage and they play a match of high importance.
We could've tried to score a second in the last minutes, but why do it and risk a counter. 1 goal or 2 goal win makes no difference, but a draw with a last minute goal was gonna cost us a lot.
We, as all the big clubs do, chose the safe way, and we did it perfectly, for a change.
I think Ciro got it right tactically as well...these games are always risky away from home when a win is essential. It didnt make pretty viewing, but the last 10 mins or so of the game, I knew we'd definitely win it, as we kept possesion, kept things nice and tight and didnt give away the ball needlessly.
Lets hope we can be ruthless like that in upcoming games.
Lets hope we can be ruthless like that in upcoming games.
Same here. I obviously didn't mind us winning time & killing the game off in the final minutes, but apart from that our 2nd half was dreadful & it could have cost us dearly. Imo, we were thinking about wasting time from minute 46 onwards, that is a very risky game to play.
That is indeed painful to watch. When Sissoko or Marchisio is on the pitch it's a lot better, but without them we are an easy victim. Both Poulsen & (especially) Melo don't seem to be able to defend swift counter attacks.
That is indeed painful to watch. When Sissoko or Marchisio is on the pitch it's a lot better, but without them we are an easy victim. Both Poulsen & (especially) Melo don't seem to be able to defend swift counter attacks.
What has bothered me in recent weeks is that Ciro doesn't seem as willing to bring through the youngsters he himself knows very well, even when we are suffering from a horrifying injury crisis. This is exemplified by the inclusion of De Ceglie and Tiago as part of an attacking trio of midfielders. Surely we have players in the youth set-up who could been given a pop there????
With this weekends games against Atalanta, and Trezeguet as our only recognized fit striker, what happens if he goes down? Del Piero should definitely not be given a lone target man role. he will get crunched and be out for another 2 years...So who does that leave eh? Immobile of course!...i would like to see him.
Del Piero could play behind Trez...but the problem is Diego. He is good enough to play on the left or right of the trio, but definitely at his best in the middle. So where will DP play??? Will we revert to a 4-3-1-2??? In that case, fine. Stick Tiago in front of the defence, with poulsen and Melo either side of him, Diego behind Trez and Giovinco, then have DP come on in the second half. Marrone on the bench to replace ANY of the trio of defensive midfielders who arent performing, or to simply give him a chance to shine.
if he sticks with 4-2-3-1, and Gio/Dieo/Camo are all fit, to play behind Trez...I dont like the Melo/Poulsen combo. The attack looks lovely, but the anchormen, shoddy.
Melo is a completely different player when Momo is beside him.
I am trying to remember how we played with Zidane. We had wingers...and a defensive mid. It was a diamond of sorts...But we had harder working wide midfielders in that formation.
With this weekends games against Atalanta, and Trezeguet as our only recognized fit striker, what happens if he goes down? Del Piero should definitely not be given a lone target man role. he will get crunched and be out for another 2 years...So who does that leave eh? Immobile of course!...i would like to see him.
Del Piero could play behind Trez...but the problem is Diego. He is good enough to play on the left or right of the trio, but definitely at his best in the middle. So where will DP play??? Will we revert to a 4-3-1-2??? In that case, fine. Stick Tiago in front of the defence, with poulsen and Melo either side of him, Diego behind Trez and Giovinco, then have DP come on in the second half. Marrone on the bench to replace ANY of the trio of defensive midfielders who arent performing, or to simply give him a chance to shine.
if he sticks with 4-2-3-1, and Gio/Dieo/Camo are all fit, to play behind Trez...I dont like the Melo/Poulsen combo. The attack looks lovely, but the anchormen, shoddy.
Melo is a completely different player when Momo is beside him.
I am trying to remember how we played with Zidane. We had wingers...and a defensive mid. It was a diamond of sorts...But we had harder working wide midfielders in that formation.
Ok, this demanding that we play primavera players in the starting elven needs to stop. I mean you have to actually be retarded to think that since our experienced stars aren't working out we should bench them for teenagers with no top level experience. I'm not singling you out weedguru because I have seen other members say this and it is ridiculous, but thank god Ferrara isn't going to because he has a brain. Amauri and Trezeguet, world class strikers are having trouble finding goals with the lack of service and you want to try Immobile? How high were you when you came up with that genius tactical change?
Oh my dearest Kyle...how fearful I am for your mental well being...There is clearly, for anyone with a rudimentary understanding of the english language, a massive, unavoidable difference, between suggesting that when we have a shortage of players for certain positions in a system we seem determined to stick with, that rather than replace them if they are playing poorly or become injured, with a player who is not at all suited to playing in that position, we stick in a youngster who performs the role in question for the youth team...AND...suggesting that we bench fit and flowing world class players and replace them with untried youngsters.
My suggestion of Immobile on the bench for this coming game against atalanta is far from what you have assumed I meant. If Trezeguet becomes injured, Iaquinta is OUT, Amauri is OUT...I do not see Del Piero as at all useful as a target man, bearing in mind his lack of physical strength and stature, as well as his fragile muscular state...it makes sense to have on the bench a player used to playing that position.
Its not exactly a genius tactical suggestion...simply one which other top level managers adopt. They have a player in their reserves or youth team, doing very well, and in their first team suddenly all their forwards are injured bar one...rather than play a Tiago in the role, they will have on the bench a youngster willing, eager, suited to the role, and potentially capable.
The difference is immense. For anyone but a mentally enfeebled stool pigeon...
As for how high was I when I made the suggestion? Not at all. I was and remain at work, employed in a job which demands mental clarity, assuredness in my work and a high level of responsibility...Because I am dealing with sensitive documents and information, often related to multi million $ development...blah blah blah....
A tip for you, young lady, is to READ a post before you reply to it. This will, in future, avoid such a worrying show of your lack of intellect and self restraint. I wish you luck in all that matters most...
My suggestion of Immobile on the bench for this coming game against atalanta is far from what you have assumed I meant. If Trezeguet becomes injured, Iaquinta is OUT, Amauri is OUT...I do not see Del Piero as at all useful as a target man, bearing in mind his lack of physical strength and stature, as well as his fragile muscular state...it makes sense to have on the bench a player used to playing that position.
Its not exactly a genius tactical suggestion...simply one which other top level managers adopt. They have a player in their reserves or youth team, doing very well, and in their first team suddenly all their forwards are injured bar one...rather than play a Tiago in the role, they will have on the bench a youngster willing, eager, suited to the role, and potentially capable.
The difference is immense. For anyone but a mentally enfeebled stool pigeon...
As for how high was I when I made the suggestion? Not at all. I was and remain at work, employed in a job which demands mental clarity, assuredness in my work and a high level of responsibility...Because I am dealing with sensitive documents and information, often related to multi million $ development...blah blah blah....
A tip for you, young lady, is to READ a post before you reply to it. This will, in future, avoid such a worrying show of your lack of intellect and self restraint. I wish you luck in all that matters most...
You don't see many teams use it nowadays. It's a bit outdated, I think, because lots of good clubs use attacking wingers in 4-3-3's instead of punching through the middle with classy playmakers. The 3-4-1-2 gets you bogged down at the back in that scenario. Moreover, there just aren't that many classy wingbacks available who can fill the roles. Not many Dani Alves's out there.