Ciro Ferrara (17 Viewers)

[Raz]

I blame him as much as you blame him. And if you read my last few posts than you will notice that i also give him support as long he is our coach.

I also blame players for performance but not as much as Ciro..

Subs, systems, game plan, it was all wrong.

I say ban fans like you. Who only show themself when team are down to be able to say something bad about them.

And it is realy obvious that you are a Ranieri fan, why else you would come only in time of crisis to throw drit on the manager while throwing remarks that Ranieri perhaps would have done better.

I don't mind people who wanted a more expirienced coach, or someone esle other then Ferrara and now saying that they thought all along that this would happen, but to come here and say that Ranieri maybe would have done better? WTF, he had his chance, and he didn't do better. Maybe if we stay on the same road in the end Ranieri would be better, but I don't think and certrainly hope that we will change our road and do better.

 

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[Amaurisimo]

thats rubish. As i said earlier, it is not a problem to loose few games.But there is a problem if there is no game plan.

Lets see what happen next, we need to wake up before is too late.
There are 9 teams with 5 points away from 1st spot..
And we have not so easy few games to come

 

[Raz]

thats rubish. As i said earlier, it is not a problem to loose few games.But there is a problem if there is no game plan.

Lets see what happen next, we need to wake up before is too late.

There is 9 teams with 5 points away from 1st spot..
And we have not so easy few games to come

What was the game plan of your mistre Ranieri? Because you seem not to find one now, while in Ranieri days you were defending the manager, which clearly hadn't any game plan whatsoever.

 

[JCK]

thats rubish. As i said earlier, it is not a problem to loose few games.But there is a problem if there is no game plan.

Lets see what happen next, we need to wake up before is too late.
There are 9 teams with 5 points away from 1st spot..
And we have not so easy few games to come

We never had a game plan with Ranieri yet you were screaming like a whore everytime someone blamed Ranieri for the display. What has changed?

 

[Amaurisimo]

My game plan was to sleep and to enjoy in good game while eating pop corn and drinking beer.

Instead i saw bad display..Even Alen said that display from last night reminds him of game with Roma 4-5 years ago. Isn't that enough?

I dont defend Ranieri, but when we are at it, he would not only never loose 2:0, or make team play so bad, including making sub at 2 goals down to take of Diego, for DC, can change 3 systems during the game..

Not that any of them worked.. Think about it my dear friend

 

[Amaurisimo]

We never had a game plan with Ranieri yet you were screaming like a whore everytime someone blamed Ranieri for the display. What has changed?

Nothing changed, I still scream like whore

 

[JCK]

My game plan was to sleep and to enjoy in good game while eating pop corn and drinking beer.

Instead i saw bad display..Even Alen said that display from last night reminds him of game with Roma 4-5 years ago. Isn't that enough?

I dont defend Ranieri, but when we are at it, he would not only never loose 2:0, or make team play so bad, including making sub at 2 goals down to take of Diego, for DC, can change 3 systems during the game..

Not that any of them worked.. Think about it my dear friend

Against Napoli last season he took out Del Piero and put De Ceglie changing the system once, then he took made another change introducing a third formation. And do you know what? We were one goal up and went out to lose the game 2-1. That's ten fold worse than losing 2-0. Think about it.

 

[JCK]

Nothing changed, I still scream like whore

Except that you used to scream like a whore on members blaming Ranieri now you scream like a whore against Ferrara. So something HAS changed. You're such a hypocrite and everyone realized that now.

 

[Amaurisimo]

will get back to you later..Have to go to toilet

 

[Suns]

I've been saying this for a while, playing with two strikers sucks. Strikers are not as good footballers as offensive midfielders and wingers. They can't really create anything and playing Iaquinta and Amauri together is a waste when we could have Giovinco playing next to Diego. We need more creativity and less big and clumsy strikers that can't do anything by themselves. Iaquinta and Amauri/Trez don't really do anything more then just wait for the stupid long balls.

4-3-2-1 should do the trick with Giovinco and Diego terrorizing the opponents centrally in midfield and they could also drift to the flanks if they get stuck instead of Amauri and Iaquinta trying to act like wingers.

Giovinco and Diego = Naturally gifted football players, they can create things on their own. Good dribblers, good passers and they can actually handle the ball.

Iaquinta, Amauri and Trez = Not naturally gifted football players, they can't create anything, they are dependent on everybody else and they can't pass, dribble or handle the ball that good.

It's easy, players like Iniesta, Xavi, Diego, Messi, Giovinco, Ribery, Kaka, Miccoli, Ronaldo etc should always be playing while strikers like Klose, Trez, Huntelaar, Iaquinta, Amauri, Toni etc shouldn't be taking their spot, especially not together up front.

 

[sateeh]

I now worry that the team senses that Ciro doesn't have much of a clue, given his subs and all. And with that lack of credibility, the team is going to play without any leadership from here on out. Cannavaro is out, Del Piero is on the bench, and Gigi can only do so much from goal.

Ok now that I've calmed down a bit after this morning I will try and send my point through.

First of all about this game from a Ciro tactical perspective I saw two sides:

The bad was his game plan, player selection the obvious one were the subs and the transformation of the system(s) and the motivation and character. We have way too many unfit players getting selected and then is wasting our subs. If Diego can't play the 90 mins he shouldn't start and the same is with Zebina. We can't continue to field them in hope that they leave their mark and then we can sub them out. Back to the game plan, we don't seem to have anything about dealing with the opposition. I mentioned before that we are trying to establish our own style but we still need to try and contain the opposition's style. Then, the subs, simply horrendous choice. We didn't have any link between the midfield and the forwards and the Palermo players were just packing their 18 yard box and instead of putting gio there to drop off them and create space he threw trezi just to congest that line even more. Finally, the motivation...what happened, where is the drive from the players.

To the good part ( not much ), even though his subs were wrong the initiative was there. He tried something different based on a view he had. Now I'm not saying he shouldn't stick to his guns but its good to show some flexibility and reaction. We all were annoyed with good old CR and Capello when they just subbed like for like instead of actually addressing something. Ciro got something right and that was the use of the flanks but we needed better players in the middle to get the ball in. He will learn from his mistakes or at least i hope.


Apart from this game we need to understand the facts surrounding the whole team at the moment that are not making his job easier.
- We are conceding from silly mistakes ( twice from Melo and the shit I saw in the first goal which is unforgivable). These just destroy confidence and make the coach's job more difficult.
- Fitness is an issue, Canna plays a big part in the defense and he has been injured. Then you Zebina who just came from a whole year off and mommo ofcourse with players like Diego and Alex.
- We underestimate the impact of the system change and the integration of new players. From recent memory it took neddy a long time to adjust and hes a player that played in Serie A. So we should consider that while we're making our judgment about the player or the system. It needs time because we have three players in key positions that are new to the team, so we need to time.

 

[RAMI-N]

Ok now that I've calmed down a bit after this morning I will try and send my point through.

First of all about this game from a Ciro tactical perspective I saw two sides:

The bad was his game plan, player selection the obvious one were the subs and the transformation of the system(s) and the motivation and character. We have way too many unfit players getting selected and then is wasting our subs. If Diego can't play the 90 mins he shouldn't start and the same is with Zebina. We can't continue to field them in hope that they leave their mark and then we can sub them out. Back to the game plan, we don't seem to have anything about dealing with the opposition. I mentioned before that we are trying to establish our own style but we still need to try and contain the opposition's style. Then, the subs, simply horrendous choice. We didn't have any link between the midfield and the forwards and the Palermo players were just packing their 18 yard box and instead of putting gio there to drop off them and create space he threw trezi just to congest that line even more. Finally, the motivation...what happened, where is the drive from the players.

To the good part ( not much ), even though his subs were wrong the initiative was there. He tried something different based on a view he had. Now I'm not saying he shouldn't stick to his guns but its good to show some flexibility and reaction. We all were annoyed with good old CR and Capello when they just subbed like for like instead of actually addressing something. Ciro got something right and that was the use of the flanks but we needed better players in the middle to get the ball in. He will learn from his mistakes or at least i hope.


Apart from this game we need to understand the facts surrounding the whole team at the moment that are not making his job easier.
- We are conceding from silly mistakes ( twice from Melo and the shit I saw in the first goal which is unforgivable). These just destroy confidence and make the coach's job more difficult.
- Fitness is an issue, Canna plays a big part in the defense and he has been injured. Then you Zebina who just came from a whole year off and mommo ofcourse with players like Diego and Alex.
- We underestimate the impact of the system change and the integration of new players. From recent memory it took neddy a long time to adjust and hes a player that played in Serie A. So we should consider that while we're making our judgment about the player or the system. It needs time because we have three players in key positions that are new to the team, so we need to time.

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[blondu]

We underestimate the impact of the system change and the integration of new players. From recent memory it took neddy a long time to adjust and hes a player that played in Serie A. So we should consider that while we're making our judgment about the player or the system. It needs time because we have three players in key positions that are new to the team, so we need to time.

very well pointed...for this new system to work we need time...Juve doesn't have time, we need victories all the time so what will ciro will do, needs to do it 3 times faster (organising the play, getting the players used with the places, especially those 3 midfielders). I think a whole year is necessary for us to get this 4-3-1-2 working well enough to compete for the scudetto ...it is very sad because we started well, but after the last games we all saw the truth, the flaws..So ciro is in a dilemma here (changing or not the system) but i think he will keep the 4-3-1-2.

 

[v1rtu4l]

We never had a game plan with Ranieri yet you were screaming like a whore everytime someone blamed Ranieri for the display. What has changed?

when nothing has changed then the question is, why don't you cry like a whore like you did under ranieri ?

selective perception, i'd say.

i am fully behind the decision to sack ranieri (or better .. to change the coach), which had his positive effects, but now the positive effects seem to have worn off and the positive effects you held ferrara responsible for where just the usuall effect of changing the coach and now you guys are not man enough to admit that it was not the great saviour ferrara who is "so much better than ranieri", but just the effect we would have had with any new coach.

now i hear people cry how bad it is when we rely on diego while back then everybody said how bad it is to rely on the two wingers (nedved & camo) which would make us soooo predictable ... so where is the logic when relying on two creative forces is worse then relying on one creative force (diego) ... you guys really make less sense and right now i would even think a change back to the old 4-4-2 with gio and diego on the flanks would give us a better chance to compete .. diego already plaid a few games on positions similar to the right wing or left wing position in the 4-4-2 and should do well there.

another thing is the lack of trust from the team in giovinco ... even when he gets subbed in he does not get many balls by his mates ... its like he is being mobbed .. no comparision to how the players search diego

 

[Raz]

Diego on the flanks? Lets try Giovinco as a DM maybe?

 

[JCK]

when nothing has changed then the question is, why don't you cry like a whore like you did under ranieri ?

I have been bashing Ferrara more than I bashed Ranieri, read my posts before you speak out of your ass. And now go to the toilet, Amaurisimo needs you with him.

 

[Suns]

Diego on the flanks? Lets try Giovinco as a DM maybe?

Do you feel obligated to make such a bad comparison?

First of all, he shouldn't be stuck on the flank but he could drift out there sometimes if the game is tight centrally. Second, Diego is talented enough to play on a flank if needed. And third, do you even know how 4-3-2-1 is used?

 

[v1rtu4l]

before you speak out of your ass.

don't worry, i will let you do the "out of ass"-speaking from now on ... no need to worry i could take your crown as troll-number 1 in here

 

[Raz]

Do you feel obligated to make such a bad comparison?

First of all, he shouldn't be stuck on the flank but he could drift out there sometimes if the game is tight centrally. Second, Diego is talented enough to play on a flank if needed. And third, do you even know how 4-3-2-1 is used?

I was refering to 4-4-2 of his. Do you seriously imagine Diego playing an 4-4-2 on the wing? Yeah we could use some variation of on him, and not an all out orthodox 4-4-2, but still it will be wasting him there IMO.

And second, where did I even mentioned 4-3-2-1?

 

[Suns]

I was refering to 4-4-2 of his. Do you seriously imagine Diego playing an 4-4-2 on the wing? Yeah we could use some variation of on him, and not an all out orthodox 4-4-2, but still it will be wasting him there IMO.

And second, where did I even mentioned 4-3-2-1?

I thought you meant me. Noone was talking about putting Diego on the flank on a 4-4-2. Just 4-3-2-1.