Ciro Ferrara (85 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

Guys remember the Sampdoria game? What a show we had there, why didn't Ciro just stick with the 4-2-3-1? We had something good going on. Why did he have to go and ruin everything by going back to the 4-3-1-2? My god, look at the 3rd goal, Diego to Seba, Seba to Camo..Brings tears to my eyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG2Yc2TIhS8

I think that was the match where Sissoko and Melo together let nothing through. Certainly our best match of the season along with the best tactics, but of course, we couldn't stick with it.

 

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[Nicholas]

I think that was the match where Sissoko and Melo together let nothing through. Certainly our best match of the season along with the best tactics, but of course, we couldn't stick with it.

People wanted Delpie in the lineup.

 

[Suns]

I think that was the match where Sissoko and Melo together let nothing through. Certainly our best match of the season along with the best tactics, but of course, we couldn't stick with it.

Yes, they were amazing together doing what they do best, win the ball and give it to one of the 3 in front. Everybody was playing in their favorite position in that game and we where amazing. As soon as Ciro switched back to the 4-3-1-2 to accommodate Del Piero(To the fanboys, not Del Piero's fault, not Del Piero's fault so get off my back) for a few games everything got ruined.

 

[Bjerknes]

Del Piero can't play forever. There has to be a time to move on.

 

[only-juve]

Don't think we switched back to the 4-3-1-2 just for Del piero's sake. IMO we just don't have enough players to go on and play the 4-2-3-1 system in every game.

I've watched Giovinco pretty closely since he's Empoli days and one thing that i've noticed about him is that he's stamina is pretty low. He almost never play two games within a week and produce the same form in both games (he's form would drop).

We needed more players specially AM's to continue playing with that system and thats something we didn't have.

 

[Alen]

Guys remember the Sampdoria game? What a show we had there, why didn't Ciro just stick with the 4-2-3-1? We had something good going on. Why did he have to go and ruin everything by going back to the 4-3-1-2? My god, look at the 3rd goal, Diego to Seba, Seba to Camo..Brings tears to my eyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG2Yc2TIhS8

I think that was the match where Sissoko and Melo together let nothing through. Certainly our best match of the season along with the best tactics, but of course, we couldn't stick with it.

The 4-2-3-1 wasn't perfect but it was the best we had that far into the season, and as time proved, the best we had so far this season.
It wasn't perfect because it was a new formation and players were still getting used to it, but it was obvious that the formation with the players who played in it had big potential and if we kept it, right now things might have been different.

Ciro fucked it up royally when he took off one of the main components in that formation, just so he could snitch in Del Piero.
I don't think he did it due to pressure from the fans. He did it because Del Piero has lots of experience in European CL matches and Ciro thought it might make a difference. But boy was he wrong.

Then again, with the way Sissoko and Camo were getting injured, we would have probably had to change the formation till now, but back then it wasn't the time to change that formation and if he didn't do it, today we could have still been in the CL.

Everything bad that happened to us this year started with that match in Bordeaux, where Ciro fucked it up.

 

[king Ale]

Boohoo. You guys are full of BS.

1- Why Ciro doesn't play Del Piero now?

2- Why now, that Del Piero is benched, Ciro doesn't revert the formation back to 4-2-3-1? (according to you) Ciro changed it to 4-3-1-2 only because he wanted to find a place for Del Piero but then it didn't work and we got eliminated from CL. Del Piero has been a bench warmer since then and we still have our two mere good matches under 4-2-3-1. Now that Ciro doesn't need to find a spot for Del Piero why is he changing the formations all the time even to 4-4-2 and 4-4-1-1 but he still refuses to go back to 4-2-3-1?

Oh and Alen, do you really mean it?

Everything bad that happened to us this year started with that match in Bordeaux, where Ciro fucked it up.

 

[Alen]

Boohoo. You guys are full of BS.

1- Why Ciro doesn't play Del Piero now?

2- Why now, that Del Piero is benched, Ciro doesn't revert the formation back to 4-2-3-1? (according to you) Ciro changed it to 4-3-1-2 only because he wanted to find a place for Del Piero but then it didn't work and we got eliminated from CL. Del Piero has been a bench warmer since then and we still have our two mere good matches under 4-2-3-1. Now that Ciro doesn't need to find a spot for Del Piero why is he changing the formations all the time even to 4-4-2 and 4-4-1-1 but he still refuses to go back to 4-2-3-1?

Oh and Alen, do you really mean it?

Mean what?

 

[king Ale]

What I quoted.

 

[Alen]

2- Why now, that Del Piero is benched, Ciro doesn't revert the formation back to 4-2-3-1? (according to you) Ciro changed it to 4-3-1-2 only because he wanted to find a place for Del Piero but then it didn't work and we got eliminated from CL.

He can't revert it back to 4-2-3-1 because we don't have 3 important players for that line-up.

And Ciro didn't even change it to 4-3-1-2 to accommodate Del Piero. I was talking about the Bordeaux match where Ciro kept the same 4-2-3-1 but ruined it by taking Giovinco off and playing Del Piero out of position.
Ciro wanted to keep the winning formation, but at the same time he wanted to play Del Piero in such an important match, even if that meant playing him out of position.

Then when he saw that 4-2-3-1 doesn't work anymore (of course it didn't work when he played players out of position) he changed the formation again, and then again, and again. When he finally won with one formation (4-4-1-1) he kept it on the next match, even though he didn't have the needed players for that formation, just so he'd lose again and probably change the formation for the 15th time on the next match.

 

[Martin]

 

[Guillermo]

FFS some of you are still talking about respect?? When was the last time Juventus was a funny material like this? look at the news headlines for fuck sake, and check these results:
4 Oct, 19:45 Palermo 2 - 0 Juventus Serie A
31 Oct, 17:00 Juventus 2 - 3 Napoli Serie A
26 Nov, 3:45 Girondins Bordeaux 2 - 0 Juventus Champions League
29 Nov, 22:00 Cagliari 2 - 0 Juventus Serie A
8 Dec, 19:45 Juventus 1-4 Bayern München Champions League
12 Dec, 19:45 Bari 3 - 1 Juventus Serie A
20 Dec, 14:00 Juventus 1 - 2 Catania Serie A
10 Jan, 19:45 Juventus 0 - 3 AC Milan Serie A

8 defeats, and we are in half of the season, when something like these happened?? not to forget the draws and the ugly performances even when we won.. Even Ranieri the clown with much worse squad did better things than these

and you ask me to respect Ferrara? Ofcourse I loved him as a player, but if he had any dignity, he would resign right after the Bayern game. We are still getting humiliated and the mother fucker is still here and saying he isn't concerned about losing his job?? Legend my ass

Well said my friend.

 

[Alen]

What I quoted.

Well yes.
Before the match against Bordeaux our record was 10-5-2. After that match (including it) our record is 2-0-6. That's when the disaster started. In Bordeaux.

 

[king Ale]

He can't revert it back to 4-2-3-1 because we don't have 3 important players for that line-up.

And Ciro didn't even change it to 4-3-1-2 to accommodate Del Piero. I was talking about the Bordeaux match where Ciro kept the same 4-2-3-1 but ruined it by taking Giovinco off and playing Del Piero out of position.
Ciro wanted to keep the winning formation, but at the same time he wanted to play Del Piero in such an important match, even if that meant playing him out of position.

Then when he saw that 4-2-3-1 doesn't work anymore (of course it didn't work when he played players out of position) he changed the formation again, and then again, and again. When he finally won with one formation (4-4-1-1) he kept it on the next match, even though he didn't have the needed players for that formation, just so he'd lose again and probably change the formation for the 15th time on the next match.

Oh man reading that I really thought we are talking about a 5 year old boy managing our team. Why he did go for 4-4-1-1 at all then? With such a wanker like Del Piero in our team he should have at least changed it to 4-4-2 only to find a place for Del Piero

Well yes.
Before the match against Bordeaux our record was 10-5-2. After that match (including it) our record is 2-0-6. That's when the disaster started. In Bordeaux.

If losing only ONE game is capable of overturning a team like that, I think this team doesn't even deserve to play in a top league.

 

[Alen]

Oh man reading that I really thought we are talking about a 5 year old boy managing our team. Why he did go for 4-4-1-1 at all then? With such a wanker like Del Piero in our team he should have at least changed it to 4-4-2 only to find a place for Del Piero

Why the sarcasm?

Ciro did put Del Piero against Bordeaux only because it's Del Piero and because he hoped we could steal some points with a free kick or do something with Ale's experience. If it was a 2 striker formation with Del Piero playing as a support striker maybe I wouldn't blame Ciro, but he fucking played him as a winger.

He didn't keep playing him anymore and doing things just to accommodate him, but on that particular match Ciro played him only because he's Del Piero.

If losing only ONE game is capable of overturning a team like that, I think this team doesn't even deserve to play in a top league.

Might have been the game where the team finally realized that they're working under a coach who has absolutely no idea what's he doing. Kinda like with Ranieri at the end of last season.

 

[king Ale]

Why the sarcasm?

Ciro did put Del Piero against Bordeaux only because it's Del Piero and because he hoped we could steal some points with a free kick or do something with Ale's experience. If it was a 2 striker formation with Del Piero playing as a support striker maybe I wouldn't blame Ciro, but he fucking played him as a winger.

He didn't keep playing him anymore and doing things just to accommodate him, but on that particular match Ciro played him only because he's Del Piero.

What do you mean by because he is Del Piero?

Might have been the game where the team finally realized that they're working under a coach who has absolutely no idea what's he doing. Kinda like with Ranieri at the end of last season.

Aha so after realizing the coach's incompetence, our players stopped performing right in the most important stage in the season.

 

[Red]

If either of you need advice about your impending divorce, just PM me.

 

[Alen]

What do you mean by because he is Del Piero?

Just think for a moment that we're talking about Nedved. I think that you'll never get the point until you think that someone is attacking Del Piero.

So Nedved is injured for 2 months. Juve play hot-cold while he's gone. Not bad but nothing spectacular. One particular formation, with Giovinco, Diego and Camo behind the striker worked pretty solid. Then we play Bordeaux and Ciro decides not to play the striker who was doing well and put Nedved as a striker.

Ciro knows that Nedved has experience in these matches, unlike the striker, he knows that he is capable of doing something out of nothing and score long distance goals, but he also knows that the formation was working well without Nedved and that Nedved can't play as a striker.

Yet he decides to play him only because he's Nedved. Only because he's someone who's experienced in these kind of matches.

Aha so after realizing the coach's incompetence, our players stopped performing right in the most important stage in the season.

The fact is that from that match our season became nightmare. Did I say that it happened because of the Bordeaux match? No i didn't. I only said that everything bad that happened to us this year started with that match in Bordeaux.

 

[Toro_Merda]

Guys remember the Sampdoria game? What a show we had there, why didn't Ciro just stick with the 4-2-3-1? We had something good going on. Why did he have to go and ruin everything by going back to the 4-3-1-2? My god, look at the 3rd goal, Diego to Seba, Seba to Camo..Brings tears to my eyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG2Yc2TIhS8

It was clear why....he had to throw away a winning and productive systme to suit Ale...

 

[BillyG]

The fact is that from that match our season became nightmare. Did I say that it happened because of the Bordeaux match? No i didn't. I only said that everything bad that happened to us this year started with that match in Bordeaux.