Ciro Ferrara (38 Viewers)

[king Ale]

Just think for a moment that we're talking about Nedved. I think that you'll never get the point until you think that someone is attacking Del Piero.

So Nedved is injured for 2 months. Juve play hot-cold while he's gone. Not bad but nothing spectacular. One particular formation, with Giovinco, Diego and Camo behind the striker worked pretty solid. Then we play Bordeaux and Ciro decides not to play the striker who was doing well and put Nedved as a striker.

Ciro knows that Nedved has experience in these matches, unlike the striker, he knows that he is capable of doing something out of nothing and score long distance goals, but he also knows that the formation was working well without Nedved and that Nedved can't play as a striker.

Yet he decides to play him only because he's Nedved. Only because he's someone who's experienced in these kind of matches.

Names don't matter. Why isn't Del Piero "Del Piero" now? Where has the experience gone suddenly? From what we see, he isn't any worse than the rest of the team. The only reason for him not starting the games now is that the other players are probably better than him in training. The better ones get to the starting 11. People are talking about a free ride to the team for Alex and how his name could guarantee a spot in the first team for him but I think our last matches could easily show that there's no different between him and the rest of team even though the coach is actually a close friend of Del Piero. No coach in the world is going to risk his career because of the players' names.

The fact is that from that match our season became nightmare. Did I say that it happened because of the Bordeaux match? No i didn't. I only said that everything bad that happened to us this year started with that match in Bordeaux.

Yes, might as well say that our nightmare started from a Tuesday/Wednesday.

 

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[Alen]

Names don't matter.

Yeah, right.

Why isn't Del Piero "Del Piero" now? Where has the experience gone suddenly? From what we see, he isn't any worse than the rest of the team. The only reason for him not starting the games now is that the other players are probably better than him in training. The better ones get to the starting 11. People are talking about a free ride to the team for Alex and how his name could guarantee a spot in the first team for him but I think our last matches could easily show that there's no different between him and the rest of team even though the coach is actually a close friend of Del Piero. No coach in the world is going to risk his career because of the players' names.

Ciro actually thought that he's doing the right thing back then. And he thinks that he's doing the right thing now when he's not playing Del Piero. Now read the posts again and you'll see that the only attack is on Ferrara, none is on Del Piero.

 

[king Ale]

Ciro actually thought that he's doing the right thing back then. And he thinks that he's doing the right thing now when he's not playing Del Piero. Now read the posts again and you'll see that the only attack is on Ferrara, none is on Del Piero.

And I didn't mention you attacked on Del Piero. But, Ciro didn't change the formation to accommodate Del Piero because: He didn't change the formation against Bordeaux to 4-3-1-2. He doesn't even play 4-3-1-2 now. Alex is benched now. Even now that Alex is benched, Ciro is not playing with 4-2-3-1.

People wanted Delpie in the lineup.

Yes, they were amazing together doing what they do best, win the ball and give it to one of the 3 in front. Everybody was playing in their favorite position in that game and we where amazing. As soon as Ciro switched back to the 4-3-1-2 to accommodate Del Piero(To the fanboys, not Del Piero's fault, not Del Piero's fault so get off my back) for a few games everything got ruined.

Ciro fucked it up royally when he took off one of the main components in that formation, just so he could snitch in Del Piero.

It was clear why....he had to throw away a winning and productive systme to suit Ale...

 

[Cronios]

One important thing we are forgetting about Neddy, was the determination to win and fight until the 95th', no matter the result or the opponent.
This aspirant attitude that kept us rolling when everything else failed
(the coach, the injuries, the system, the new players, the board, everything)

Thats exactly what we are missing now, DP was the only man able to deliver such thing, but unfortunately for us, his injuries denied him as well.
Unfortunately Sissoko and Melo, are not able to offer that, despite the fact they are warriors and we knew that Diego wasnt the man for this particular job either.

Only Chiellini is an aspirational leader, from the current crop and that doesnt seem to be enough on the field...

Due to lack of coach, we have no system, to attacking plan, no efficiency, no tactics, but we also lack a soul as well, all the basic elements of the team arent there and thats why we are a bunch of... individuals...

Neddy despite his age, pace or form had that spirit and he was the last of that kind we had... thats why we were so reliant to his services, despite the progressive loss of individual efficiency/brilliance from his behalf.

We really cant tell, who much would this affect us, if he was still among us, out there, but i dont think it could be far worse than it is now...

 

[Red]

Marchisio is capable of providing the sort of drive and determination (not to mention the skill) the team needs, if he is played in the centre.

 

[Stephan]

Buffon and Sissoko are also leaders. But they are not playing.

 

[Cronios]

Marchisio is our most promising hope, for many reasons, but he is not ready to lead by example just yet...

 

[Alen]

Ciro didn't change the formation to accommodate Del Piero because: He didn't change the formation against Bordeaux to 4-3-1-2. He doesn't even play 4-3-1-2 now. Alex is benched now. Even now that Alex is benched, Ciro is not playing with 4-2-3-1.

Yes, nothing was done to make a favor to Del Piero and even DP didn't like it that he played as a winger. Ciro wasn't doing a favor to Del Piero, but he did something just so Del Piero will play, even if Del Piero himself didn't like it. He took Giovinco off and put DP as a winger. To me it looks that Ciro was trying to find a space for DP (on that match) no matter what.

 

[Suns]

He played Del Piero on the wing against Bordeaux right after the Sampdoria game, when he noticed it didn't work he didn't go back to the successful formation with Giovinco on the wing instead he changed the formation back to the failing 4-3-1-2 with Del Piero starting. Since then he hasn't gone back to the 4-2-3-1 and now neither Giovinco or Del Piero are playing anymore, he fucked up big time.

 

[Bjerknes]

Alen is spot on with his analysis. Ciro did fuck up that match by using Del Piero out of position, and we've been floundering ever since.

 

[Cirillo]

Marchisio is the one now. He MUST be given more responsibility. Chiellini is the only other player (who isn't injured) who can provide us with the grit and determination required

 

[JuveBoy]

Good morning boys, is Guus our coach?? please say yes

 

[Bianconero81]

Ciro is still on board; apparently, the boat hasn't sunk yet

 

[Albertmare]

Good morning boys, is Guus our coach?? please say yes

Yes , Good morning .

 

[JuveBoy]

http://football-italia.net/jan12c.html

If it is not Hiddink then I hope that it will be someone else with attacking mentality... and not Dino Zoff...

 

[sateeh]

He can't revert it back to 4-2-3-1 because we don't have 3 important players for that line-up.

And Ciro didn't even change it to 4-3-1-2 to accommodate Del Piero. I was talking about the Bordeaux match where Ciro kept the same 4-2-3-1 but ruined it by taking Giovinco off and playing Del Piero out of position.
Ciro wanted to keep the winning formation, but at the same time he wanted to play Del Piero in such an important match, even if that meant playing him out of position.

Then when he saw that 4-2-3-1 doesn't work anymore (of course it didn't work when he played players out of position) he changed the formation again, and then again, and again. When he finally won with one formation (4-4-1-1) he kept it on the next match, even though he didn't have the needed players for that formation, just so he'd lose again and probably change the formation for the 15th time on the next match.

How weak is a formation or tactic if one missing individual breaks the whole thing down? I know that Gio is fundamental to that tactic but you still have to consider how weak this plan was. I didn't like it from the beginning because afterall it was unsustainable. This team does not have the individuals or the juice to play with it consistently over the season and that was shown sooner rather than later.
Alex can cope fine in that position, that Bordeaux game was just indicative of this team's weaknesses on various degrees not just Ciro's.

Tactically, Ciro's biggest failure was the bolded part. He succumbed to the pressure and switched instead of holding out with his own convictions about how the team was built from the beginning.

The leaders of this team that will emerge must lead by example because the void is huge right now. We need the likes of chiellini and marchi to either continue what they're doing or improve even more. I liked how Giorgio slated the team after the game and thats a good a start.

 

[Bianconero81]

What position are you talking about? If you are referring to playing on the left side of an attacking triumvirate then I strongly disagree. He can't cope, and he is way too slow to be playing there. This has been evident for both Juve and the Azzurri, in the times he has been deployed there.

 

[sateeh]

What position are you talking about? If you are referring to playing on the left side of an attacking triumvirate then I strongly disagree. He can't cope, and he is way too slow to be playing there. This has been evident for both Juve and the Azzurri, in the times he has been deployed there.

He obviously doesn't like and doesn't perform well there but that was not my point anyway. My point was about the whole system being weak in the first place.

 

[only-juve]

Speaking at a pre-match Press Conference, Ferrara said: “I know what the club thinks, but I am also big enough to understand that the destiny of every Coach is linked to results. So, if the results are not there the club will take the action that it considers the most just and the most suitable to change the team's negative tendency.

“If this were to result in my dismissal as a Coach then I would not take it as a defeat. Absolutely. I would take it as a sign of growth.

“I think it's right that the club, the President and Bettega are constantly in contact with what the situation is and with what the team is like.

“It's clear that neither one of them goes on the pitch and that the technical-tactical situation is completely different, but it seems normal to me that they come to training.

“My friend, one of the few that I have recently, told me: 'You are like Rocky'. I have taken so many punches and am covered in blood but I still say to my opponent: 'You can't hurt me,' and then I come out even stronger because you aren't hurting me. There is nothing that can put me down,” Ferrara concluded.

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[Amaurisimo]

I want my name changed to Rocky