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Del Piero, Marchisio, Tiago and Brazzo are injured. Right there is half our offensive capability. Get your facts right.
People seem to forget that the reason we are in a bad position at the moment is not because of an incompetent Ferrara but injuries. Even though Ferrara leaving Giovinco in the bench against Siena might have been questionable, (although I am leaning towards the impression that Giovinco is a talent that is failing to deliver when given the chance) there isn't much choice for Ferrara at the front.
Anyone who says that Ferrara is a bad coach should look at the facts: He gave Marchisio the deserved playing time and he is turning out to be one heck of a midfielder. And Tiago was actually shining in the middle before he was injured. At what point in the Ranieri days did Tiago do something good? Now not only did Ferrara give him enough playing time to prove that he can do just one thing good, he is doing more than once in each game!
But now we are in a really bad situation for the attack with injuries. Tiago and Marchisio were the heart of the creative midfield Ferrara wanted along side with Diego and Melo. With Marchisio and Tiago and Brazoo unavailable he hardly has any offensive options except Deigo, Camo and Giovinco. The rest are all Defensive Midfielders. And if Del Piero was available our squad would certainly play with a bit more determination.
Also he was clearly seeking alternatives and giving players a chance to play with Siena. Why the fuck would he field Molinaro and Casares instead of Grosso on the left? Ferrara isn't stupid and being a new coach certainly not stubborn towards adapting new better ways.
And also, at those who think Ferrara is an idiot just remember, he is a better winner than you will ever be.
People seem to forget that the reason we are in a bad position at the moment is not because of an incompetent Ferrara but injuries. Even though Ferrara leaving Giovinco in the bench against Siena might have been questionable, (although I am leaning towards the impression that Giovinco is a talent that is failing to deliver when given the chance) there isn't much choice for Ferrara at the front.
Anyone who says that Ferrara is a bad coach should look at the facts: He gave Marchisio the deserved playing time and he is turning out to be one heck of a midfielder. And Tiago was actually shining in the middle before he was injured. At what point in the Ranieri days did Tiago do something good? Now not only did Ferrara give him enough playing time to prove that he can do just one thing good, he is doing more than once in each game!
But now we are in a really bad situation for the attack with injuries. Tiago and Marchisio were the heart of the creative midfield Ferrara wanted along side with Diego and Melo. With Marchisio and Tiago and Brazoo unavailable he hardly has any offensive options except Deigo, Camo and Giovinco. The rest are all Defensive Midfielders. And if Del Piero was available our squad would certainly play with a bit more determination.
Also he was clearly seeking alternatives and giving players a chance to play with Siena. Why the fuck would he field Molinaro and Casares instead of Grosso on the left? Ferrara isn't stupid and being a new coach certainly not stubborn towards adapting new better ways.
And also, at those who think Ferrara is an idiot just remember, he is a better winner than you will ever be.
Last year we had 8 injured players at the same time in more than one occasion.
Injuries do play their role, but it's a crime how awful we play. Even under that clueless old idiot last year we weren't this clueless. We were very bad and we were awful in defense, but we weren't as awful as we were against Palermo this year and as painful to watch as we were today.
We all agree that Ranieri was awful and he should never be allowed in the radius of 10 km around Turin, but what hurts is that Ferrara is doing many things even worse than Ranieri.
Injuries do play their role, but it's a crime how awful we play. Even under that clueless old idiot last year we weren't this clueless. We were very bad and we were awful in defense, but we weren't as awful as we were against Palermo this year and as painful to watch as we were today.
We all agree that Ranieri was awful and he should never be allowed in the radius of 10 km around Turin, but what hurts is that Ferrara is doing many things even worse than Ranieri.
I can't seem to connect Ferrara's incompetence with the player's performance. Even if a coach is horrible you may still have a team performing well even if that would happen less often.
But honestly the player's awful performance really boggles my mind on how it's happening. We had a streak of great performance at the end of last season and towards the early of this season. There may be 2 reasons for this: the team underestimated a very eager to win Siena which played a good game and made us look horrible or the selection of players aren't knit together as I am one who believes that a team gets better not just by tactics issued by the coach but by frequent playing time which helps the players fully understand each other. The combination of players used against Siena (Trez -Amauri, Poulsen-De Ceglie-Diego midfield etc) were rarely, if not never, used this season.
But for now, I certainly won't judge Ciro either good or bad, there are more tests for the man to come (Inter, CL Quarter/Semis, Coppa italia)
But honestly the player's awful performance really boggles my mind on how it's happening. We had a streak of great performance at the end of last season and towards the early of this season. There may be 2 reasons for this: the team underestimated a very eager to win Siena which played a good game and made us look horrible or the selection of players aren't knit together as I am one who believes that a team gets better not just by tactics issued by the coach but by frequent playing time which helps the players fully understand each other. The combination of players used against Siena (Trez -Amauri, Poulsen-De Ceglie-Diego midfield etc) were rarely, if not never, used this season.
But for now, I certainly won't judge Ciro either good or bad, there are more tests for the man to come (Inter, CL Quarter/Semis, Coppa italia)
Even 2. They shown that they would only kick a coach when the situation get really really bad last time with Ranieri. Unless we finish 6-8th, expect Ferrara to remain for this season. Although I don't know what Blanc might think, that's just my 2 cents 
The current situation is exactly why i didnt want Ferrara to join us this season.
Ciro is not Pep, and we are not Barca! The ones on helm knew that and they knew the risks we are taking when they have signed with a man who was a coach assistant the other day.
That was a desperate move and def not how a big team ensures its future!
Our choice was done though and there is no reason of being disrespectful to Ferrara.
We wont change him any time soon and even if we do, we are only aiming to a downgrade.
There are certain reasons why our management has chosen a young and unproven couch for 3 consecutive times, i ve pointed them out years ago
and nothing has changed yet.
So get used to it and so some respect to our Ferrara!
Ciro is not Pep, and we are not Barca! The ones on helm knew that and they knew the risks we are taking when they have signed with a man who was a coach assistant the other day.
That was a desperate move and def not how a big team ensures its future!
Our choice was done though and there is no reason of being disrespectful to Ferrara.
We wont change him any time soon and even if we do, we are only aiming to a downgrade.
There are certain reasons why our management has chosen a young and unproven couch for 3 consecutive times, i ve pointed them out years ago
and nothing has changed yet.
So get used to it and so some respect to our Ferrara!
Marchisio, Brazzo and Tiago wouldn't make the starting eleven if the whole team was fit. I was talking about the starters.
So you think we should give Ciro credit for playing Marchisio and Tiago? Marchisio was already shining under Ranieri while Tiago is nothing more then a bench warmer.
And, I don't know about you but we still haven't played a good game under Ciro except for the game against Machabi where we used the 4-2-3-1. I really don't get why he switched back to the rotten 4-3-1-2 when he had a great success with 4-2-3-1. Is he stubborn? Is he afraid of benching some of our strikers? We got everything we need with that formation. We get Camoranesi further up the field, we have a player for Diego to connect with in Giovinco, we get a faster and better game and most importantly we get some width. No coach would bench a player like Giovinco if he can play.
So you think we should give Ciro credit for playing Marchisio and Tiago? Marchisio was already shining under Ranieri while Tiago is nothing more then a bench warmer.
And, I don't know about you but we still haven't played a good game under Ciro except for the game against Machabi where we used the 4-2-3-1. I really don't get why he switched back to the rotten 4-3-1-2 when he had a great success with 4-2-3-1. Is he stubborn? Is he afraid of benching some of our strikers? We got everything we need with that formation. We get Camoranesi further up the field, we have a player for Diego to connect with in Giovinco, we get a faster and better game and most importantly we get some width. No coach would bench a player like Giovinco if he can play.
As far as Ranieri Ferrara comparisons go, its clear that Ranieri had been doing a better job by the same point in the season last year. We beat Real Madrid with Molinaro for heavens sakes, and we can only beat a 10 man Maccabi by a goal with a much better team?
Under Ranieri I could see us winning some of the bigger games, even though he was a terrible coach we at least stood up to those challenges. I can't even see that with Ciro.
That's not to say I would ever want Ranieri back.
Under Ranieri I could see us winning some of the bigger games, even though he was a terrible coach we at least stood up to those challenges. I can't even see that with Ciro.
That's not to say I would ever want Ranieri back.
Ranieri sucks, but so far, so does Ciro. The 4-2-3-1 wasn't working wonders against Maccabi but we maintained control, kept possession, and created some decent openings. Why the F change it then? Why were 5 incompetents in the shape of Grygera, Legro, Moli, DC, and Poulsen present together in the same line-up? For this, I solely blame Ferrara!
I thought its actually the other way around. Last year were a tough team to break, very compact and disciplined. But we had no idea or plan to create anything towards the front line although we were more clinical and had Alex fit for almost the whole season.
This year we lost our compactness if you could say as the we have more offensive players and the full backs are required to push up more. This year we also seem to have no specific planning to deal with the teams we're facing defensively and becoming too predictable offensively. The injuries do play a part because we can't expect the likes of Poulsen to make the difference from the midfield or Moli from the back. Then we have the lack of efficiency upfront which is a killer given our cluelessness and ineptness upfront.
This year we lost our compactness if you could say as the we have more offensive players and the full backs are required to push up more. This year we also seem to have no specific planning to deal with the teams we're facing defensively and becoming too predictable offensively. The injuries do play a part because we can't expect the likes of Poulsen to make the difference from the midfield or Moli from the back. Then we have the lack of efficiency upfront which is a killer given our cluelessness and ineptness upfront.
