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I am and i am not objecting this 
Is Poulsen what we needed ? My answer is no. We needed 2 new good defenders (CB and LB) much more than we needed a pure DMC.
Did we need Poulsen more than a creative MC ? Here i can't give a proper answer. There are pro's and con's, but i repeat for the 10th time that i see the logic in chosing a pure DMC in front of a more creative MC.
The best option, by far, would have been a very good CB, LB and Xabi Alonso, but without the CB and LB i'm not so sure that a Tiago type of player is what we needed.
Is Poulsen what we needed ? My answer is no. We needed 2 new good defenders (CB and LB) much more than we needed a pure DMC.
Did we need Poulsen more than a creative MC ? Here i can't give a proper answer. There are pro's and con's, but i repeat for the 10th time that i see the logic in chosing a pure DMC in front of a more creative MC.
The best option, by far, would have been a very good CB, LB and Xabi Alonso, but without the CB and LB i'm not so sure that a Tiago type of player is what we needed.
It don't matter how many fucking destroyers you pack into one midfield... if you cannot man-mark at the back because your defense is inept, you'll still concede! What teams will do is just play to the wings where we have our weaknesses and cross the ball into the box. Chiellini is solid, but we still don't know how solid Mellberg will be. And if the point of the game is to play to your strengths, not your weaknesses, why are we setting ourselves up for a midfield that won't be able to get the ball to our strengths... our forwards?
Thats exactly where I am... I mean, I'll defend the signing on the grounds that Poulsen isn't a useless tit... but really, you make a depth signing like him when you have every other piece in place. From where I'm standing, there are three pieces missing... LWB, CB and a versatile CM. Marchisio might be that CM, and De Ceglie that LWB, but there's no way to be sure. Say they both are, that still leaves the gaping hole at CB. Chiellini is pure class, but after him, the defense looks like something from a midtable club. Right now, I think Legrottaglie is the best of the rest... and that simply means that management hasn't done their job. Knezevic and Mellberg are inadequate cover.
This is only in theory, in practice it was different.
In one of your previous posts you reminded us that last year there were times when we suffered to create anything and we were clueless in the attacking department.
It is true, but let me remind you that every single team in serie A, including Roma, had the same problems in some matches.
Milan's super creative Pirlo-Kaka-Seedorf trio couldn't do shit in at least 10 serie A matches last year, Inter had problems creating and scoring for the whole last month of serie A.
What matters is what we can see at the end. And at the end we scored more goals than everyone else.
What you're saying is screw the defending (our weakness) and lets put everything on attack (our strenght) but what we should've done was to let the attack as it is and try to fix our weaknesses.
Or try to improve our strenghts but only after we fix the weaknesses.
Your point is that with another DM we're not fixing anything in the defensive department, but i can't agree with this in our case. The defense starts from the opponents part of the pitch, the defense should be done initially in midfield (something Tiago couldn't do last year). Inter hardly ever lost the midfield last year with their 3 DMCs and it made the job of the defenders much easier. With guys like Sissoko and Poulsen who run 12 km during the match, who run up and down, left and right all the time, it won't be as easy as you say for our opponents to simply play the ball on the wings and do the job. This is something you will see by yourself next year.
I think most of you aren't really conviced in Poulsen's qualities and that explains the reactions.
But wasn't Flamini our first choice and wasn't he also a DMC ? Why do people swear at the board for missing out on a DMC and then insult them again for buying a DMC ?
In one of your previous posts you reminded us that last year there were times when we suffered to create anything and we were clueless in the attacking department.
It is true, but let me remind you that every single team in serie A, including Roma, had the same problems in some matches.
Milan's super creative Pirlo-Kaka-Seedorf trio couldn't do shit in at least 10 serie A matches last year, Inter had problems creating and scoring for the whole last month of serie A.
What matters is what we can see at the end. And at the end we scored more goals than everyone else.
What you're saying is screw the defending (our weakness) and lets put everything on attack (our strenght) but what we should've done was to let the attack as it is and try to fix our weaknesses.
Or try to improve our strenghts but only after we fix the weaknesses.
Your point is that with another DM we're not fixing anything in the defensive department, but i can't agree with this in our case. The defense starts from the opponents part of the pitch, the defense should be done initially in midfield (something Tiago couldn't do last year). Inter hardly ever lost the midfield last year with their 3 DMCs and it made the job of the defenders much easier. With guys like Sissoko and Poulsen who run 12 km during the match, who run up and down, left and right all the time, it won't be as easy as you say for our opponents to simply play the ball on the wings and do the job. This is something you will see by yourself next year.
I think most of you aren't really conviced in Poulsen's qualities and that explains the reactions.
But wasn't Flamini our first choice and wasn't he also a DMC ? Why do people swear at the board for missing out on a DMC and then insult them again for buying a DMC ?
I know we lack in defense but why are people so quick to praise Legro and then now he is trash again. I think we need wing backs not cb anymore. Maybe Zebina plays well but I wish we had a versatil back to fill left or right wing back. I think we will go for in the league and CL with this team. I think we will be a top team in CL but in the league we might finish 3rd again. Also im glad to see serie a getting top players again but it scares the shit out of especially cause they arent wearin black and white. Anyone think that everyone is upgrading better than we are?
True, but we suffered much, much worse in the creativity department. I think you probably also remember me blasting the team and praising Del Piero to high heaven, simply because it was always him with the one moment of brilliance that saved us from a draw or defeat. I've said it somewhere else, but at least 70% of our goals must have gone through Del Piero, in either the final two passes or him putting the ball in the net himself.
Without him in the team we wouldn't have had nearly as many goals as we did last season. And what I worry about is if Ale gets injured or isn't on form or just getting too old now? Are going to still be able to score copious amounts of goals? Will Giovinco cut the slack? Can Amauri force his way through the defense? If something goes wrong here, it's going to look very bad. And again, the only way to solve these problems is with personnel who have creativity.
People say we have enough creativity but I beg to differ. Especially if we want to go far in Europe, which we probably won't with this team.
Indeed, but that's mostly because of Del Piero I'm afraid. Take him out of the picture and you'll find a problem.
I'm not necessarily saying screw the defense. Of course we need at least one DM in there to protect the defense. Yet as we have all seen, Sissoko is capable of doing that all by himself.
If we wanted to strengthen the defense we should have bought a quality central defender and/or quality left-back.
We didn't do that, Alen. So we didn't even fix weaknesses in defense. Bringing in another DM in Poulsen won't help the defense unless Zanetti or Sissoko goes down. But still... we didn't really fix the defense I'm afraid and this is my point.
Yes, Inter didn't really concede the midfield last year, but they have more creativity on the wings in attack than we do and you cannot compare the passing exploits of Vieira, Cambiasso and Zanetti to Sissoko and Poulsen, although our Zanetti was right up there.
Perhaps you're right in this case, but even with Sissoko and Zanetti we still were challenged at the back. I don't want to see all three of our DM's out there because it will be longball galore to players who don't really play well with such passing (minus Amauri perhaps).
But hey, since we have played shit football for years now, why change it? Lets just pack in the defense and hope for the best, because we all know that works very, very well in Europe...
I'm convinced by Poulsen's defensive capabilities for sure. But the reason why I don't like this transfer is because IMO we don't need another destroyer. Unless we have the wingers and wing-backs to provide the creativity (which we DO NOT) I believe this stuff will lead to degenerate football.
Without him in the team we wouldn't have had nearly as many goals as we did last season. And what I worry about is if Ale gets injured or isn't on form or just getting too old now? Are going to still be able to score copious amounts of goals? Will Giovinco cut the slack? Can Amauri force his way through the defense? If something goes wrong here, it's going to look very bad. And again, the only way to solve these problems is with personnel who have creativity.
People say we have enough creativity but I beg to differ. Especially if we want to go far in Europe, which we probably won't with this team.
Indeed, but that's mostly because of Del Piero I'm afraid. Take him out of the picture and you'll find a problem.
I'm not necessarily saying screw the defense. Of course we need at least one DM in there to protect the defense. Yet as we have all seen, Sissoko is capable of doing that all by himself.
If we wanted to strengthen the defense we should have bought a quality central defender and/or quality left-back.
We didn't do that, Alen. So we didn't even fix weaknesses in defense. Bringing in another DM in Poulsen won't help the defense unless Zanetti or Sissoko goes down. But still... we didn't really fix the defense I'm afraid and this is my point.
Yes, Inter didn't really concede the midfield last year, but they have more creativity on the wings in attack than we do and you cannot compare the passing exploits of Vieira, Cambiasso and Zanetti to Sissoko and Poulsen, although our Zanetti was right up there.
Perhaps you're right in this case, but even with Sissoko and Zanetti we still were challenged at the back. I don't want to see all three of our DM's out there because it will be longball galore to players who don't really play well with such passing (minus Amauri perhaps).
But hey, since we have played shit football for years now, why change it? Lets just pack in the defense and hope for the best, because we all know that works very, very well in Europe...
I'm convinced by Poulsen's defensive capabilities for sure. But the reason why I don't like this transfer is because IMO we don't need another destroyer. Unless we have the wingers and wing-backs to provide the creativity (which we DO NOT) I believe this stuff will lead to degenerate football.
Sorry for quoting only the last sentence but it shows perfectly why you can't stop criticizing our board.
First of all, i must congratulate you for being a faithful Juventino for so long even though the game Juve plays is exactly the type of football you despise. You prove that the heart makes the choice, not the brain and all those who stopped being Juve fans and started supporting the beautiful game Barca or Milan play should learn from you.
Second, yeah, you're a metrosexual
You like aesthetic, the beautiful game with passes, dribblings. You care a lot about how we'll look on the pitch and you're never happy if we win without playing well. And who can blame you for that ? Everyone likes the beauty, noone likes the beast.
You aim for perfection and you'd die to see Juve play likeable football and yet win matches.
But man, you're a fan for a long time to know that we simply don't do it that way.
Accept that fact and obey
First of all, i must congratulate you for being a faithful Juventino for so long even though the game Juve plays is exactly the type of football you despise. You prove that the heart makes the choice, not the brain and all those who stopped being Juve fans and started supporting the beautiful game Barca or Milan play should learn from you.
Second, yeah, you're a metrosexual
You like aesthetic, the beautiful game with passes, dribblings. You care a lot about how we'll look on the pitch and you're never happy if we win without playing well. And who can blame you for that ? Everyone likes the beauty, noone likes the beast.
You aim for perfection and you'd die to see Juve play likeable football and yet win matches.
But man, you're a fan for a long time to know that we simply don't do it that way.
Accept that fact and obey
Take a look :
Flamini was a free agent.
Flamini will get 5m eur a year. With taxes added it means that Milan will be paying 10m eur a year.
His 4 year contract means that after 4 years Milan will pay 40m eur.
Poulsen is not a free agent and his price is 9.75m eur.
Poulsen asks for 3m eur a year. With taxes added it's 6m eur a year and in 4 years the team will have to pay 24m eur only for the wages.
Add the 9.75m payed to the team that owned his contract and you get a final number of 33.75m eur.
6.25m less than the 40m Milan will pay for Flamini.
Nothing's free, Ahmed.
Flamini was a free agent.
Flamini will get 5m eur a year. With taxes added it means that Milan will be paying 10m eur a year.
His 4 year contract means that after 4 years Milan will pay 40m eur.
Poulsen is not a free agent and his price is 9.75m eur.
Poulsen asks for 3m eur a year. With taxes added it's 6m eur a year and in 4 years the team will have to pay 24m eur only for the wages.
Add the 9.75m payed to the team that owned his contract and you get a final number of 33.75m eur.
6.25m less than the 40m Milan will pay for Flamini.
Nothing's free, Ahmed.
Sorry for quoting only the last sentence but it shows perfectly why you can't stop criticizing our board.
First of all, i must congratulate you for being a faithful Juventino for so long even though the game Juve plays is exactly the type of football you despise. You prove that the heart makes the choice, not the brain and all those who stopped being Juve fans and started supporting the beautiful game Barca or Milan play should learn from you.
Second, yeah, you're a metrosexual
You like aesthetic, the beautiful game with passes, dribblings. You care a lot about how we'll look on the pitch and you're never happy if we win without playing well. And who can blame you for that ? Everyone likes the beauty, noone likes the beast.
You aim for perfection and you'd die to see Juve play likeable football and yet win matches.
But man, you're a fan for a long time to know that we simply don't do it that way.
Accept that fact and obey
First of all, i must congratulate you for being a faithful Juventino for so long even though the game Juve plays is exactly the type of football you despise. You prove that the heart makes the choice, not the brain and all those who stopped being Juve fans and started supporting the beautiful game Barca or Milan play should learn from you.
Second, yeah, you're a metrosexual
You like aesthetic, the beautiful game with passes, dribblings. You care a lot about how we'll look on the pitch and you're never happy if we win without playing well. And who can blame you for that ? Everyone likes the beauty, noone likes the beast.
You aim for perfection and you'd die to see Juve play likeable football and yet win matches.
But man, you're a fan for a long time to know that we simply don't do it that way.
Accept that fact and obey
But it's not exactly about playing wonderful, aesthetic football for me. Juventus has never played beautiful football from the periods I've watched, not even under the first Lippi regime. So that's not what I'm asking.
What I am asking for is to play efficient football and to fix the obvious problems in the squad, like we did under both Lippi regimes. I don't mind playing boring football with three DM's as long as we have the weapons to successfully strike back when the opportunity arises. The way we played under Capello I despised not because we played ugly football, but rather because we couldn't step it up in the Champions League even with all those world class players. We were too lethargic, and that is sometimes what happens when you only have muscle in the team.
This is no Capello team, this is no Lippi team. It's not even close. So to think we can use the same tactics as Capello with the same ideas, well, IMO it's not going to work. That's what I'm afraid of. We need another weapon in there for the counter and if Del Piero is not on form.