Charlie Hebdo massacre - 2015-Jan-07 (11 Viewers)

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
#82
Cant compare the rewriting of the bible to today


Back then, the book itself was everything. The rewrite made an impact.

How were you gonna check if a bible arrived that it wasent the original ?


Today, with widespread global civilisation and internet, you cant just alter a book and spread it,cause it literally takes 10 seconds to find it out
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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#83
Juventino[RUS];4781073 said:
The same? Get ur tucking facts straight - the bible were rewrited 220 times in the English language only , we don't even know how it looked 220 versions ago, plus there are 10000 ugly things still there - slavery, killings etc
Not to mention what the early Christians did to the Gnostics and other proclaimed heretics.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,412
#85
Political and religious fanatism and hate should forbidden by law.
Problem solved. since it is not an,yone who oppose it is considered a racist or a member of the opposition.
The law is the same for all and ought to be respected from all.
We should be more agressive on controlling the social groups that are likely to act like that.
Democracy is fine, but it was it is systeamtically abused, people would consider it the problem and call for more radical solutions to their problem.
The situation with radical muslims is going off hand lately, humanity should know better by now...
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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#86
Juventino[RUS];4781085 said:
yep, no one is writing 500-600 years of Christian radicalism
Because anyone who dissented was persecuted and either killed or ostracized some 1500 years ago, before Islam even existed.
 

Juventino[RUS]

Senior Member
Mar 9, 2006
29,039
#87
Because anyone who dissented was persecuted and either killed or ostracized some 1500 years ago, before Islam even existed.

Michael Servetus (in 1553, he was put to death on the order of John Calvin, for disputing the dogma of the Trinity)
Jacques de Molay (the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar was tortured into a confession, then slowly burned to death on a scaffold in 1314)
Geoffroi de Charney (like de Molay, he was arrested on the order of Pope Clement V, tortured into a confession, then burned to death as a relapsed heretic in 1314)
Guillaume Bélibaste (the last Cathar parfait in Languedoc was burned at the stake in 1321, as a result of an Inquisition headed by Jacques Fournier, later Pope Benedict XII)
Jan Hus (in 1415, for heresies against the Roman Catholic church, he was stripped naked, placed in straw up to his neck, and burned alive)
Thomas Cranmer (in 1556, the former Archbishop of Canterbury and reformer of the Church of England was burned alive as a heretic by order of "Bloody Mary")
William Tyndale (in 1536, the translator of the Bible into English was strangled to death, then burned at the stake as a heretic)
Giordano Bruno (in 1548, on the order of Pope Clement VIII, the scientific-minded Dominican monk was burned at the stake for claiming that the sun is one of many stars)
Joan of Arc (in 1431, the Maid of Orleans and France's most famous saint was burned alive for the "heresy" of wearing men's clothes in an attempt to avoid rape)
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
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#89
Juventino[RUS];4781111 said:

Michael Servetus (in 1553, he was put to death on the order of John Calvin, for disputing the dogma of the Trinity)
Jacques de Molay (the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar was tortured into a confession, then slowly burned to death on a scaffold in 1314)
Geoffroi de Charney (like de Molay, he was arrested on the order of Pope Clement V, tortured into a confession, then burned to death as a relapsed heretic in 1314)
Guillaume Bélibaste (the last Cathar parfait in Languedoc was burned at the stake in 1321, as a result of an Inquisition headed by Jacques Fournier, later Pope Benedict XII)
Jan Hus (in 1415, for heresies against the Roman Catholic church, he was stripped naked, placed in straw up to his neck, and burned alive)
Thomas Cranmer (in 1556, the former Archbishop of Canterbury and reformer of the Church of England was burned alive as a heretic by order of "Bloody Mary")
William Tyndale (in 1536, the translator of the Bible into English was strangled to death, then burned at the stake as a heretic)
Giordano Bruno (in 1548, on the order of Pope Clement VIII, the scientific-minded Dominican monk was burned at the stake for claiming that the sun is one of many stars)
Joan of Arc (in 1431, the Maid of Orleans and France's most famous saint was burned alive for the "heresy" of wearing men's clothes in an attempt to avoid rape)
Also good examples, as is justification of the Crusades, but we were talking about religious books. The Gnostics, Pauline Christians, Marcionites, etc., each had writings associated with them that were later abolished.
 

Brandmon

Juventuz irregular
Aug 13, 2008
1,406
#90
Political and religious fanatism and hate should forbidden by law.
Problem solved. since it is not an,yone who oppose it is considered a racist or a member of the opposition.
The law is the same for all and ought to be respected from all.
We should be more agressive on controlling the social groups that are likely to act like that.
Democracy is fine, but it was it is systeamtically abused, people would consider it the problem and call for more radical solutions to their problem.
The situation with radical muslims is going off hand lately, humanity should know better by now...
Banning those groups stupid enough to overtly flaunt their extremism will simply leave society vulnerable to those who will advocate their extremism covertly; through creating antagonisms, sowing divisions and dehumanising "the other" to such an extent so that extreme action becomes acceptable.

Want to "ban extremism"? Then deal with the core conditions that let such extremism fester in the first place.
 

Fr3sh

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2011
36,949
#92
Banning those groups stupid enough to overtly flaunt their extremism will simply leave society vulnerable to those who will advocate their extremism covertly; through creating antagonisms, sowing divisions and dehumanising "the other" to such an extent so that extreme action becomes acceptable.

Want to "ban extremism"? Then deal with the core conditions that let such extremism fester in the first place.
That's been around, is around and will be continued to be employed as long as there are gains to be made, specially when one is envious and seeks what the other has.
 
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Maddy

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
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    So ban freedom of speech n to protect freedom of speech?
    The sound of the extreme right wing in Denmark (20% of the votes).

    They don't think muslim extremist should have freedom of speech. Why? To protect Freedom of Speech :sergio: Bunch of closet fascists.
     

    Lion

    King of Tuz
    Jan 24, 2007
    31,784
    #97
    Banning those groups stupid enough to overtly flaunt their extremism will simply leave society vulnerable to those who will advocate their extremism covertly; through creating antagonisms, sowing divisions and dehumanising "the other" to such an extent so that extreme action becomes acceptable.

    Want to "ban extremism"? Then deal with the core conditions that let such extremism fester in the first place.
    banning things never stops it from happening anyway.

    we have laws and bans against murder, durg traffkincg, drunk driving, fraud..etc yet all of these are committed daily
     
    Apr 15, 2006
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    #98
    banning things never stops it from happening anyway.

    we have laws and bans against murder, durg traffkincg, drunk driving, fraud..etc yet all of these are committed daily
    Similarly, I don't think these terrorists would stop even if every "moderate" Muslim in the world condemns the attacks. These crazies will continue killing offenders and spreading hate and fear regardless of it. That's the real tragedy of god and religion.
     

    Hust

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    Hustini
    May 29, 2005
    93,354
    If some drunken Russian here in San Francisco picks up a gun and starts shooting them damn Putin-haters here, should I hold you responsible for his actions?
    That's a bit different. Like the Norway shooter, he wasn't out of a camp training suicide bombers in your local community. He acted on his own accord. Same for your Russian shooter theory. Guys like the two in Paris are obviously trained somewhere where many others are also being trained. It's "Muslims" in those communities you would expect to start standing up against extremists. Simply heads of state or head Immans speaking up against it do very little. A couple voices against versus 10,000 armed ready to die and before they do they recruit 2-3 more before they die you see a problem.

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    Anyways, CNN saying the suspects might be arrested.
     

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