[Champions League] RB Leipzig 2-3 Juventus [2nd October, 2024 21:00 CEST] (4 Viewers)

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Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
Gotta think positive

this team went behind twice and overcame that to win. Almost never happened before and shows the strong desire to win. Remember when the team would go down and goal and completely collapse last few seasons?

this team went down a player and still played positive football. Almost never happened before In juve.

This team got fucked by Var and instead of wasting time crying about it, brute forced a win. Almost never happened before with allegri for his 9 seasons here.

All these are very positive signs to the shift in mentality by the team. I’m getting 2011 vibes again
 

Juve-Fan-Iraq

Senior Member
Oct 7, 2023
2,284
Gotta think positive

this team went behind twice and overcame that to win. Almost never happened before and shows the strong desire to win. Remember when the team would go down and goal and completely collapse last few seasons?

this team went down a player and still played positive football. Almost never happened before In juve.

This team got fucked by Var and instead of wasting time crying about it, brute forced a win. Almost never happened before with allegri for his 9 seasons here.

All these are very positive signs to the shift in mentality by the team. I’m getting 2011 vibes again
Disagree with this. First 3-4 season, Juve was never complacent. We started to see that much later on though.
 
Jan 16, 2013
27,307
Gotta think positive

this team went behind twice and overcame that to win. Almost never happened before and shows the strong desire to win. Remember when the team would go down and goal and completely collapse last few seasons?

this team went down a player and still played positive football. Almost never happened before In juve.

This team got fucked by Var and instead of wasting time crying about it, brute forced a win. Almost never happened before with allegri for his 9 seasons here.

All these are very positive signs to the shift in mentality by the team. I’m getting 2011 vibes again
Tactics are important but not as important as mentality and skills. It was those two things that made Dusan score that world class goal, Mckennie steal the ball like he was Vidal at his prime and Chico get past defenders like they weren’t even there.

This is where Allegri really failed imo. He was unable to get them in the right mindset and have the freedom to play positive. That mofo was scared to death to take any risks. Motta on the other hand has done it within just a few months.
 

MrMonkey

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2017
4,267
It doesn't get any better coming back a man down and winning like that. Dusan all over the place defending late. Looked possessed and fresh like match just started. Hopefully scoring two propels him to consistently scoring.
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
80,919
Tactics are important but not as important as mentality and skills. It was those two things that made Dusan score that world class goal, Mckennie steal the ball like he was Vidal at his prime and Chico get past defenders like they weren’t even there.

This is where Allegri really failed imo. He was unable to get them in the right mindset and have the freedom to play positive. That mofo was scared to death to take any risks. Motta on the other hand has done it within just a few months.
Thiago so far seems to have blended his Brazilian (old school) attacking mentality with a balanced Italian defensive approach when needed. I quite like this tbh.

But your overall point is correct. To win in football these days, you need to be much more courageous. Perhaps Allegri (and Conte’s) more cautious and risk-averse approach worked a few years ago, but winning (in Europe) requires more bravery, risking the play more and self belief. We had none of those traits in previous seasons.
 

juventus4life

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Apr 21, 2012
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Aug 2, 2005
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Thiago so far seems to have blended his Brazilian (old school) attacking mentality with a balanced Italian defensive approach when needed. I quite like this tbh.

But your overall point is correct. To win in football these days, you need to be much more courageous. Perhaps Allegri (and Conte’s) more cautious and risk-averse approach worked a few years ago, but winning (in Europe) requires more bravery, risking the play more and self belief. We had none of those traits in previous seasons.
Well
Would it make sense to say

With a courageous approach and results like this game, reaching the semis eventually
The rate of the new fan base would be higher than the conservative approach and still reaching semis?



Nuetrals are actually watching Juve games more than before.. well, at least those that I am connected to.


This is important for the future and being a sustainable club


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Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,875
Imo it's not a pen, and the rule says so. On the other hand however, protecting face is natural reaction but whether it makes the body bigger or not is really ambiguous to tell and it's all up to the referee.
I know that the referees have to blindly follow the rules, whatever they are, but imo common sense should prevail. For example, on Wednesday there were three situations where it could have been applied:
1. Penalty on Vlahovic or not? Vlahovic touches the ball and then he is fouled. The ball is kicked out by the Leipzig players. With or without the foul, the same would have happened. The foul didn't change anything. The rules might say that it's a penalty, but I wouldn't have given it.
2. Di Gregorio handles the ball outside the penalty are. If he didn't, the Leipzig player would have been clear in front of an open goal. It's a red card, no matter of Di Gregorio's intention wasn't to handle the ball.
3. Douglas Luiz handles the ball. If he didn't, it would have hit his upper body or face and pretty much the same would have happened. His handball changed nothing and that's why I'd never give a penalty for that.
 

radekas

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Aug 26, 2009
20,111
1. Penalty on Vlahovic or not? Vlahovic touches the ball and then he is fouled. The ball is kicked out by the Leipzig players. With or without the foul, the same would have happened. The foul didn't change anything. The rules might say that it's a penalty, but I wouldn't have given it.
By using that interpretation you allow for any foul to happen as long as it doesn't change the outcome of the game. I don't think that's what's supposed to happen. Especially in the penalty area.
 

Akshen

Senior Member
Aug 27, 2010
10,608
I know that the referees have to blindly follow the rules, whatever they are, but imo common sense should prevail. For example, on Wednesday there were three situations where it could have been applied:
1. Penalty on Vlahovic or not? Vlahovic touches the ball and then he is fouled. The ball is kicked out by the Leipzig players. With or without the foul, the same would have happened. The foul didn't change anything. The rules might say that it's a penalty, but I wouldn't have given it.
2. Di Gregorio handles the ball outside the penalty are. If he didn't, the Leipzig player would have been clear in front of an open goal. It's a red card, no matter of Di Gregorio's intention wasn't to handle the ball.
3. Douglas Luiz handles the ball. If he didn't, it would have hit his upper body or face and pretty much the same would have happened. His handball changed nothing and that's why I'd never give a penalty for that.
first point, this is a foul on Messi, penalty given after Var review
 

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