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Monty

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May 2, 2017
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That's fantastic but he also referenced penalty decisions not going for his team claiming both handballs were penalties when they were not because they were not intentional and the defenders could do nothing about their arm hitting the ball


Learn to read the context of my posts before criticising and assuming this or that
It doesnt say that anywhere in the article or in the video , what are you on about, learn to read full stop

He's clearly talking about our "culture"
 

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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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We got 2 decisions for us Barza red card and Benatia shirt pull on a spuds player that should have been a penalty

We got 2 against us Costa penalty and Kane 1 meter offside and almost equalising because of it

However had our decision of the penalty been given none of those incidents would have probably happened so the big turning point for Tottenham was not conceding a penalty after 20 minutes thanks to the refs being 2 meters from it and still being blind

If that was given we most likely go 1-0 up and it's a completely different game for both teams with all the pressure on Tottenham

There is no such things as decisions evening themselves out in football as one decision would significantly change the whole shape of a match in this case the penalty not being called on Costa allowed Tottenham to go 1-0 up had it not been for that they would have never taken the lead before us

Poch really has no ground to stand on and is being a sore loser
You're missing one. Vertonghen should have been sent off for the penalty incident as it would have been a second yellow, not to mention he should have been given a second yellow for 3-4 other fouls.

We also had Higgy called wrongly offside in the first leg when clear through on goal.

I actually thought the refs did fine. A few mistakes both ways, the missed call on Costa penalty and Vertonghen sending off and the Barzagli pseudo-stamp the big ones. Everything else was close enough to not really be egregious.
 

juve123

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Aug 10, 2017
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You're missing one. Vertonghen should have been sent off for the penalty incident as it would have been a second yellow, not to mention he should have been given a second yellow for 3-4 other fouls.

We also had Higgy called wrongly offside in the first leg when clear through on goal.

I actually thought the refs did fine. A few mistakes both ways, the missed call on Costa penalty and Vertonghen sending off and the Barzagli pseudo-stamp the big ones. Everything else was close enough to not really be egregious.

Harry Kane header that hit the post where he was offside that is why var has to be introduced I still remember the morata goal being flagged offside during Bayern Munich game the referees do generally favour real Madrid and Barcelona
 

JuveJay

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The Barzagli one I don't agree with, there's more chance of Mother Teresa deliberately stamping on someone. They got their legs tangled and eventually it led to Barza standing on his leg. If you watch the video Son actually flicks his leg out at him when he initially hits the ground, and I don't think Barza is even looking at Son at any point until he realises he has hurt him.

Might look bad and be painful but players also don't defy gravity.

 

Vialli_92

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Mar 7, 2013
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The Barzagli one I don't agree with, there's more chance of Mother Teresa deliberately stamping on someone. They got their legs tangled and eventually it led to Barza standing on his leg. If you watch the video Son actually flicks his leg out at him when he initially hits the ground, and I don't think Barza is even looking at Son at any point until he realises he has hurt him.

Might look bad and be painful but players also don't defy gravity.

First one yes can be an accident but he stamps a second time straight after no excuse and a definite red card for Barza
 

Dantes

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Dec 15, 2017
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Poch's a micro-manager obsessed with the principles of marginal gains. He's also still not fully articulate in English.

This is more a critique of his own club. Not a dig at Juve. He's highlighting that the really big clubs (Utd, Barca, Real, Bayern, Juve) have a certain approach and attitude. And that maybe we can be learning from that. You can tell by his tone and body language that that's his angle here. He sees an opportunity for improvement, not any injustice.

Given that this man openly admits to there being a difference between 'trickery' and 'cheating' (when asked about diving) and who hates VAR with a passion, you can be certain that he's a person who is quite happy to exploit every possible advantage. He's also not stupid, and will be extremely aware that the media will put their own spin on this - and if that placates the other set of Spurs fans who want to find injustice, then they're sated too.

P.S. @Monty. Apologies about before. Misunderstanding. We're cool.
 

Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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Ok after watching this, i dont see anything wrong in what he said. He is not moaning about us putting pressure on refs because every big club does in honesty. He wants Tottenham to have the same kind of hunger and passion to win. The comment about Agnelli being in the tunnel is to imply how closely-knit we are connected as a group from the management to the players and perhaps he wants to see that in Spurs if they are to make that step up to becoming a top club.
 

Wittl

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Feb 21, 2017
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Lol, in the tunnel Marotta told the referee with a killing glance, that he knows where he has parked his car, that's why we'd won.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Poch's a micro-manager obsessed with the principles of marginal gains. He's also still not fully articulate in English.

This is more a critique of his own club. Not a dig at Juve. He's highlighting that the really big clubs (Utd, Barca, Real, Bayern, Juve) have a certain approach and attitude. And that maybe we can be learning from that. You can tell by his tone and body language that that's his angle here. He sees an opportunity for improvement, not any injustice.

Given that this man openly admits to there being a difference between 'trickery' and 'cheating' (when asked about diving) and who hates VAR with a passion, you can be certain that he's a person who is quite happy to exploit every possible advantage. He's also not stupid, and will be extremely aware that the media will put their own spin on this - and if that placates the other set of Spurs fans who want to find injustice, then they're sated too.

P.S. @Monty. Apologies about before. Misunderstanding. We're cool.
Was Daniel Levy at the game?

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Lol, in the tunnel Marotta told the referee with a killing glance, that he knows where he has parked his car, that's why we'd won.
And he was talking to Don Agnelli at the same time. Only Beppone can do this.
 

JuveJay

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Ok after watching this, i dont see anything wrong in what he said. He is not moaning about us putting pressure on refs because every big club does in honesty. He wants Tottenham to have the same kind of hunger and passion to win. The comment about Agnelli being in the tunnel is to imply how close-knit we are connected as a group from the management to the players and perhaps he wants to see that in Spurs if they are to make that step up to becoming a top club.
What he is doing is cute. He is using our past reputation and history of scandal (particularly with UK viewers who know next to nothing about Italian "scandals" other than final sentencing) to garner support for the same "mysterious forces" that started things like Calciopoli, without directly accusing it of being any kind of fixing. It's the old "big institution", "UEFA favourite" talk that clubs of smaller history use, it's just that Juventus are a great sounding board because of what I stated above.

So in short, fuck him. Lazy, excuse-finding. Try learning how to get a back four standing in a line maybe.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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The Barzagli one I don't agree with, there's more chance of Mother Teresa deliberately stamping on someone. They got their legs tangled and eventually it led to Barza standing on his leg. If you watch the video Son actually flicks his leg out at him when he initially hits the ground, and I don't think Barza is even looking at Son at any point until he realises he has hurt him.

Might look bad and be painful but players also don't defy gravity.

I hadn't seen a replay. That's not a red card at all imo. Clearly unintentional. The second where the heel goes back down on Son isn't a stamp at all, it's just Barza trying to untangle himself from Son.
 

Vialli_92

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Mar 7, 2013
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It doesnt say that anywhere in the article or in the video , what are you on about, learn to read full stop

He's clearly talking about our "culture"

My bad thought it was the same video, go to 22 minutes and he talks about having 2 penalties because of handball which were definitely not penalties so he can't complain and as I pointed out before they got the most important decision of the match go their way early on
You're missing one. Vertonghen should have been sent off for the penalty incident as it would have been a second yellow, not to mention he should have been given a second yellow for 3-4 other fouls.

We also had Higgy called wrongly offside in the first leg when clear through on goal.

I actually thought the refs did fine. A few mistakes both ways, the missed call on Costa penalty and Vertonghen sending off and the Barzagli pseudo-stamp the big ones. Everything else was close enough to not really be egregious.
Penalty incident happened on 17 and Vertonghen was booked on 29 minutes so that's not true he should have been off unless i'm missing something else?
 

Monty

Tuz Royalty
May 2, 2017
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What he is doing is cute. He is using our past reputation and history of scandal (particularly with UK viewers who know next to nothing about Italian "scandals" other than final sentencing) to garner support for the same "mysterious forces" that started things like Calciopoli, without directly accusing it of being any kind of fixing.

So in short, $#@! him. Lazy, excuse-finding.
Ya the "culture" reference is clearly playing into the "calciopoli" narrative that is still prevalent in foreign media and fans
 

Wittl

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Feb 21, 2017
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I hadn't seen a replay. That's not a red card at all imo. Clearly unintentional. The second where the heel goes back down on Son isn't a stamp at all, it's just Barza trying to untangle himself from Son.
:agree: Son should have been sent off for kicking towards Barza's genital area.
 

Vialli_92

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Mar 7, 2013
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I hadn't seen a replay. That's not a red card at all imo. Clearly unintentional. The second where the heel goes back down on Son isn't a stamp at all, it's just Barza trying to untangle himself from Son.
Well having played football from my own experience I would never stamp again like that

If you want to avoid a second stamp you will not put your weight back down on the foot that is planted on him again

For me it's a 100% red card as it can easily be avoided that second stamp and he didn't do it
 

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