Champions League 2016/2017 (26 Viewers)
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There is not one position where Monaco are even slightly superior to Juve.
Buffon > Subasic
Alves > Toure
Bonucci > Glik
Chiellini > Jamerson
Sandro > Mendy
Cuadrado = Silva?
Pjanic > Moutinho
Khedira > Bakayoko
Mandzukic = Lemar?
Dybala > Mbappe
Higuain > Falcao
We have to be in Cardiff.
1. Its a team not an individual
2. There are players that cant be compared... Dybala Mbappe - Different type of players - Mbappe is more fit for Higuain comparison even if its wrong as well
Lemar and Mandzukic are definitely two different players
Lemar is more about technique dribbling more of a proper winger while Mandzukic is tough strong and does a better defensive work + very experienced
Khedira and Bakayoko are also two different players as if you take defensive work I think Bakayoko is better but as a complete player its a no contest as Khedira is way more complete...
Cuadrado Silva - Cuad is speed and dribbling +track back a lot while Silva uses his brain more and his passes are better
Anyway there is no doubt we must go through as it will be a huge upset if we dont
I rate our chances at 80% but we must attack and be on alert defensively otherwise they could surprise us
The first game is at Monaco and we must score there (and aim for a win) if we do it correctly we should be able to finish them off in Turin
As for Atl Real - On paper Real are twice as good but Atletico`s chance is counter attack and if you look at the league fixture Atl got a draw despite Real clearly being superior due to Atl Madrid counters
Real are 60% to win this
Sure. I’ve been following Monaco closely this season and I’ve been hugely impressed by their season. To be honest the only reason people are not being mentioned as one of the top sides in Europe this season is because of their name, because in terms of performances and results they have definitely been right up there.
First of all, I’m going to address the biggest misconception I see people having of them; that they are a gung ho offensive team. They really aren’t, at least not in the conventional use of the term. They rarely set up as a team that controls the game, keeps possession and attacks the opposition; they are primarily a counter attacking team, but their defensive tactics are that they press the opposition high up the pitch, and they are absolute masters at that, they completely dismantled teams like PSG, City, Marseille, and Nice that way. They thrive against attacking teams, and especially those who play a more possession based football. They struggle against teams when they are forced to take control of possession most of the time, and have break down teams who sit back and defend with numbers. They are also quite poor at defending set pieces, lost count of the number of times they concede via set pieces.
I think it will be very interesting game against Juve. On the one hand, Juve likes to build up from the back, and that is something Jardim will try to use to his favor, few teams in Europe are as good as Monaco are in organized pressing in the opposition’s half; at the same time, when teams are able to get past their high pressing and are able to take the ball to Monaco’s half, they struggle, because usually they press with high numbers upfront, consequently leaving a lot of space behind. PSG were able to get past their pressing game in the Coupe De La Ligue, and they absolutely destroyed them.
Monaco play a 4-4-2 system; B. Silva and Lemar are their wingers, and one of the most important players to their setup(along with Fabinho they have been Monaco’s best performers this season), they regularly cut inside and make the midfield very compact, this helps them reduce the space in the opposition half and reduces the possibility of them being counter attacked, because they can win the ball back so quickly. It also allows their fullbacks Mendy and Sidibe to bomb forward and play as wingbacks more or less, and keep attacking the space vacated by Lemar and B. Silva. They have two physically powerful midfielders in Bakayoko and Fabinho; the two are excellent at winning the ball back; Bakayoko is primarily a ball winning defensive midfielder, while Fabinho is a box to box midfielder, who has really been excellent for them this season; moving him from rightback to central midfield was a master move by Jardim. Falcao everybody knows of course, he’s a master poacher, and Mbappe has been an absolute revelation in the second half of the season; his confidence and maturity are out of this world for an 18 year old, and of course he’s one of the quickest players out there.
All in all Jardim has done an excellent job this season. His style of football isn’t overly sophisticated, but its extremely effective.
Should be a great game.
First of all, I’m going to address the biggest misconception I see people having of them; that they are a gung ho offensive team. They really aren’t, at least not in the conventional use of the term. They rarely set up as a team that controls the game, keeps possession and attacks the opposition; they are primarily a counter attacking team, but their defensive tactics are that they press the opposition high up the pitch, and they are absolute masters at that, they completely dismantled teams like PSG, City, Marseille, and Nice that way. They thrive against attacking teams, and especially those who play a more possession based football. They struggle against teams when they are forced to take control of possession most of the time, and have break down teams who sit back and defend with numbers. They are also quite poor at defending set pieces, lost count of the number of times they concede via set pieces.
I think it will be very interesting game against Juve. On the one hand, Juve likes to build up from the back, and that is something Jardim will try to use to his favor, few teams in Europe are as good as Monaco are in organized pressing in the opposition’s half; at the same time, when teams are able to get past their high pressing and are able to take the ball to Monaco’s half, they struggle, because usually they press with high numbers upfront, consequently leaving a lot of space behind. PSG were able to get past their pressing game in the Coupe De La Ligue, and they absolutely destroyed them.
Monaco play a 4-4-2 system; B. Silva and Lemar are their wingers, and one of the most important players to their setup(along with Fabinho they have been Monaco’s best performers this season), they regularly cut inside and make the midfield very compact, this helps them reduce the space in the opposition half and reduces the possibility of them being counter attacked, because they can win the ball back so quickly. It also allows their fullbacks Mendy and Sidibe to bomb forward and play as wingbacks more or less, and keep attacking the space vacated by Lemar and B. Silva. They have two physically powerful midfielders in Bakayoko and Fabinho; the two are excellent at winning the ball back; Bakayoko is primarily a ball winning defensive midfielder, while Fabinho is a box to box midfielder, who has really been excellent for them this season; moving him from rightback to central midfield was a master move by Jardim. Falcao everybody knows of course, he’s a master poacher, and Mbappe has been an absolute revelation in the second half of the season; his confidence and maturity are out of this world for an 18 year old, and of course he’s one of the quickest players out there.
All in all Jardim has done an excellent job this season. His style of football isn’t overly sophisticated, but its extremely effective.
Should be a great game.
There is not one position where Monaco are even slightly superior to Juve.
Buffon > Subasic
Alves > Toure
Bonucci > Glik
Chiellini > Jamerson
Sandro > Mendy
Cuadrado = Silva?
Pjanic > Moutinho
Khedira > Bakayoko
Mandzukic = Lemar?
Dybala > Mbappe
Higuain > Falcao
We have to be in Cardiff.
According to Forza Inter Forum
Funny but of course understable why people keep comparing this Rube to Inter 2010 but bias aside it's not even close. Like compare the two teams the only position you could say they beat us in is LB with Sandro compared to Chivu but Chivu was crucial for us anyways.
Keeper and Two CB's are pretty even but the rest we win by some distance. Maicon in his prime vs Alves , Cambiasso and J.Zanetti vs Khedira and Pjanic , Eto'o vs Mandzukic , Sneijder ( best player in the world at the time) vs Dybala , Milito ( bets striker in the world at the time ) vs Higuain
Please
Half those players are one season wonders.
Milito, the best striker in the world, had only 3 goals before the semis (same as Gonzalo) and 30 goals all season. Higuain already has 29.
The league was even weaker than it is now, and it is hardly as if they dominated the CL, squeaking through in almost every round.
There's a lot of other BS in that post that's not even worthing pointing out.
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The real question you should be asking is, how does this Juve match up with Inter's 2010 team.
According to Forza Inter Forum
Funny but of course understable why people keep comparing this Rube to Inter 2010 but bias aside it's not even close. Like compare the two teams the only position you could say they beat us in is LB with Sandro compared to Chivu but Chivu was crucial for us anyways.
Keeper and Two CB's are pretty even but the rest we win by some distance. Maicon in his prime vs Alves , Cambiasso and J.Zanetti vs Khedira and Pjanic , Eto'o vs Mandzukic , Sneijder ( best player in the world at the time) vs Dybala , Milito ( bets striker in the world at the time ) vs Higuain
Please
Half those players are one season wonders.
Milito, the best striker in the world, had only 3 goals before the semis (same as Gonzalo) and 30 goals all season. Higuain already has 29.
The league was even weaker than it is now, and it is hardly as if they dominated the CL, squeaking through in almost every round.
There's a lot of other BS in that post that's not even worthing pointing out.
According to Forza Inter Forum
Funny but of course understable why people keep comparing this Rube to Inter 2010 but bias aside it's not even close. Like compare the two teams the only position you could say they beat us in is LB with Sandro compared to Chivu but Chivu was crucial for us anyways.
Keeper and Two CB's are pretty even but the rest we win by some distance. Maicon in his prime vs Alves , Cambiasso and J.Zanetti vs Khedira and Pjanic , Eto'o vs Mandzukic , Sneijder ( best player in the world at the time) vs Dybala , Milito ( bets striker in the world at the time ) vs Higuain
Please
Half those players are one season wonders.
Milito, the best striker in the world, had only 3 goals before the semis (same as Gonzalo) and 30 goals all season. Higuain already has 29.
The league was even weaker than it is now, and it is hardly as if they dominated the CL, squeaking through in almost every round.
There's a lot of other BS in that post that's not even worthing pointing out.
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