Capital Punishment (18 Viewers)

[Zlatan]

IMO doing life is harder than being killed, but I am not against capital punishment. I believe it should be done when there is an apsolute certanty that they've got the right man and if there is no chance that the guilty will be abkle to ever get out of jail. Why waste money for the next 30 or 40 years on his sick ass?

 

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[flieeeekke]

++ [ originally posted by GOAT ] ++
IMO doing life is harder than being killed, but I am not against capital punishment. I believe it should be done when there is an apsolute certanty that they've got the right man and if there is no chance that the guilty will be abkle to ever get out of jail. Why waste money for the next 30 or 40 years on his sick ass?

he suffers more that way

 

[SilvLightning]

++ [ originally posted by fabiana-juve ] ++


Yeah but killing the murder would just be an escape to all his problems. Its better being dead than having to deal to the whole world knowing what you did, your concience, and the fact that you could have not done it.

This is a good point, however, I think there's more to punishment. In my opinion its purpose is not only to make them suffer, but to protect the other people from them. Once they are killed they aren't a threat anymore. On the other harnd, if they are locked up in jail, they can always escape or be a threat...:undecide:

 

[flieeeekke]

i just came up with the brilliant solution. sentence a man to death without intentionto kill him. and keep him locked in prison for 10 years waiting to be killed. then you can release him, he wont do crime anymore.

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++


most of murders in lithuania are like that. people are drinking, they start fighting, one gets a knife, bam... we have a body. if society can be cured from those asocial people....


besides, killing is a very common solution.

Yeah, but those murders you mentioned - imo they dont qualify to capital punishement.
If I thought about some to punish in this way: only such crimes, which were commited with premeditation, in cruel disgusting way, when criminals treated their victims really bad: tortured them etc.
Only sth like that, but still: I cant say I'm completely yes to that.

 

[flieeeekke]

++ [ originally posted by vitoria_Ally ] ++


Yeah, but those murders you mentioned - imo they dont qualify to capital punishement.
If I thought about some to punish in this way: only such crimes, which were commited with premeditation, in cruel disgusting way, when criminals treated their victims really bad: tortured them etc.
Only sth like that, but still: I cant say I'm completely yes to that.

about the first part: damn i suck...

about the 2nd. life sentence is good enough imo.

 

[Dj Juve]

++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++
i just came up with the brilliant solution. sentence a man to death without intentionto kill him. and keep him locked in prison for 10 years waiting to be killed. then you can release him, he wont do crime anymore.

naeh..if the madman white, then do what they did to Bruce Willis at the starting of Die Hard with a Vengence

 

[Martin]

I don't see why life in prison isn't sufficient punishment, I really don't.

 

[flieeeekke]

++ [ originally posted by -CSD- ] ++


naeh..if the madman white, then do what they did to Bruce Willis at the starting of Die Hard with a Vengence

i dont watch bruce willis movies

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++
i just came up with the brilliant solution. sentence a man to death without intentionto kill him. and keep him locked in prison for 10 years waiting to be killed. then you can release him, he wont do crime anymore.

Bad idea, that would never work.

 

[flieeeekke]

++ [ originally posted by GOAT ] ++


Bad idea, that would never work.

for some it would





besides, hitler's germany was a bad idea, it sorta worked.



i'm sick of this topic.

 

[Zlatan]

Also, jail and the death sentance are not all about punishment, they are also about making an example.

 

[flieeeekke]

that was said, read previous posts.

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by -CSD- ] ++
what if society has been a real ***** to a man, and he's had enough? what if he's wife dumped him and kicked him out of his house and he gets fired for being late for his job at a gas station since he has no house to get ready right away..and then he soons runs out of money and cant get a job since his parent couldnt afford/give a fek to give him a decent education.

So he looses it and just kills somebody out of madness and insanity or sth like that..yes he killed somebody, but he's not entirely to blame

of couz this is a rare case..but...

I wonder, if in your opinion so not entirely to blame, if he killed your kid

And what about person, who was killed by such guy?

 

[Dj Juve]

++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++
I don't see why life in prison isn't sufficient punishment, I really don't.

me neither..


....finishes watching Escape from Alcatraz




i know why now

 

[Zlatan]

I totally disagree with you DJ, a person is responsible no matter what hgis state of mind was, or if he was drunk or on drugs or insane etc...

 

[Martin]

++ [ originally posted by GOAT ] ++
I totally disagree with you DJ, a person is responsible no matter what hgis state of mind was, or if he was drunk or on drugs or insane etc...

If he took drugs, then he was responsible for taking drugs in the first place. If he was drugged by someone else, that's a little worse but still responsible for being in the place at that time I guess.

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++



about the first part: damn i suck...

about the 2nd. life sentence is good enough imo.

About life sentence: if there is such thing, without possibilty of going out earlier, there is one very serious danger:
and again, that's the fact, taken from law study in behaving of such people.

Cause if they have life sentence, they are above the law in prison.
Yes, above.
Violence against other prisoners: I sit here and I can do what I want.
Violence against warders: I sit here for killing someone, one more is nothing special.

many of them do what they want, cause no matter what, they will stay in prison till the end of their life: so why not to behave like that?
Some of them commited murders in prison: why not?

So life sentence, without possibility of early parole - that's the huge problem.

So maybe it's better to avoid life sentence?
But again: why to let out people, who commited horrified crimes and they can do that again?

As far - there is no good solution.

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by GOAT ] ++
I totally disagree with you DJ, a person is responsible no matter what hgis state of mind was, or if he was drunk or on drugs or insane etc...

Yes and such things should be always aggravating circumstances, NEVER mitigating circumstances.

Cause in this way: everyone would take drugs, kill someone and say: oh well I took some drugs, forgive me now.

And more: what about drunk drivers? If such bastard killed someone - why being drunk should make his responsibility wearker?

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++


If he took drugs, then he was responsible for taking drugs in the first place. If he was drugged by someone else, that's a little worse but still responsible for being in the place at that time I guess.

Yes, thats exactly what I said :undecide: