Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (37 Viewers)

JuveJay

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I don't know man.



so I'm reading some tweets from journalists in Italy...

Vernazza of GdS
We can now finally say: A criminal association corrupted Italian football for many years. Calciopoli is now archived.

:sergio:

This is an example of journalism in Italy. He works for the same paper who shat on us and falsely said some Udinese players got yellows and ended up missing the game vs Juve and the investigators took it for the bible.
Ah, the same Vernazza who pleaded with our tifosi to go back to buying his newspaper, after they played a leading role in Farsopoli. I guess many went back to buying it.

Well, we all know what the answer to that is.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Couple points I'd like to make:

1.) It baffles me how a judicial system can basically convict you and after the clock runs out (or willing to let the clock run out) will somehow make it all go away. There has to be another avenue we can take. I don't know how law works in the EU but there should be something Juve can do aside from civil court. Jesus this took 9 years. By the time the civil route ends my kids will be near college.

2.) If Moggi has basically been "cleared" (indirectly) then I think our case for reparations increases our odds.

3.) FIGC CRUSHED the league when this went down...for 3 years afterwards Inter had their 5 mins of fame and ultimately the teams are slowly collapsing from within financially, league appeal down to record lows and NOW Juventus, the ullitmate enemy apparently, is going to enjoy dominance as @Emmet said for at least a decade (including our 4 year winning span).

4.) As much as 2006 crushed our club we are slowly getting back to that level and with our own stadium we will be there quickly and during that time frame we will continue to pull further and further away from everyone else. Those fuckers at the FIGC didn't think we would have recovered so quickly but we did and now we can sit back and enjoy watching all the others try to scramble to catch up. We hear rumors of new stadiums but it will be at least two seasons beyond this one before a new stadium is even made because nothing has even been made yet.

5.) We need to make sure nothing like this ever happens again. Somehow we need greater transparency so we are always making sure we are in the clear. Honestly, the only way Juve will be beat any time soon is for another fake scandal like 2006. For the last 9 years all we have heard is how bad officiating is and how, despite statistics stating otherwise, Juve is benefiting or big clubs benefit from referring mistakes.s

6.) I will tip my hat off to Inter & FIGC because they literally created a perfect storm and both marched to the beat of the same drum to bring us down and the only thing they could fall back on is the SOL to ensure it doesn't come back to bit them in the ass.

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As far as getting our 443m I say we continue fighting full force. Fuck stepping on anyones toes. Those mother fuckers can accuse Juve of making Italy look bad all they want but everyone knows the National team wouldn't exist without Juve. It's us now making people in Europe look at Italian teams and think twice. Not Milan, Inter or Roma.

I've said it before and I will continue saying. Any little bitch here that supports Italian teams for "coefficients" in Europe needs slapped for the little hoe they are and perma banned. Not one club stood up for us. Not one.

Fuck Italy
Fuck every team, president and their stupid fucking fans.

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Isn't @Red a lawyer? Where the hell is he? Where the hell is @gsol?
 

Badass J Elkann

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Couple points I'd like to make:

1.) It baffles me how a judicial system can basically convict you and after the clock runs out (or willing to let the clock run out) will somehow make it all go away. There has to be another avenue we can take. I don't know how law works in the EU but there should be something Juve can do aside from civil court. Jesus this took 9 years. By the time the civil route ends my kids will be near college.

2.) If Moggi has basically been "cleared" (indirectly) then I think our case for reparations increases our odds.

3.) FIGC CRUSHED the league when this went down...for 3 years afterwards Inter had their 5 mins of fame and ultimately the teams are slowly collapsing from within financially, league appeal down to record lows and NOW Juventus, the ullitmate enemy apparently, is going to enjoy dominance as @Emmet said for at least a decade (including our 4 year winning span).

4.) As much as 2006 crushed our club we are slowly getting back to that level and with our own stadium we will be there quickly and during that time frame we will continue to pull further and further away from everyone else. Those fuckers at the FIGC didn't think we would have recovered so quickly but we did and now we can sit back and enjoy watching all the others try to scramble to catch up. We hear rumors of new stadiums but it will be at least two seasons beyond this one before a new stadium is even made because nothing has even been made yet.

5.) We need to make sure nothing like this ever happens again. Somehow we need greater transparency so we are always making sure we are in the clear. Honestly, the only way Juve will be beat any time soon is for another fake scandal like 2006. For the last 9 years all we have heard is how bad officiating is and how, despite statistics stating otherwise, Juve is benefiting or big clubs benefit from referring mistakes.s

6.) I will tip my hat off to Inter & FIGC because they literally created a perfect storm and both marched to the beat of the same drum to bring us down and the only thing they could fall back on is the SOL to ensure it doesn't come back to bit them in the ass.

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As far as getting our 443m I say we continue fighting full force. Fuck stepping on anyones toes. Those mother fuckers can accuse Juve of making Italy look bad all they want but everyone knows the National team wouldn't exist without Juve. It's us now making people in Europe look at Italian teams and think twice. Not Milan, Inter or Roma.

I've said it before and I will continue saying. Any little bitch here that supports Italian teams for "coefficients" in Europe needs slapped for the little hoe they are and perma banned. Not one club stood up for us. Not one.

Fuck Italy
Fuck every team, president and their stupid fucking fans.


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Isn't @Red a lawyer? Where the hell is he? Where the hell is @gsol?
So when are we moving to France then?
 

Hust

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Inter wins the treble and have been in decline since. How can the FIGC look at themselves in the mirror when a treble winning club finds itself mid table and in financial ruin after a CL win don't have the money. Then the Parma fiasco happens on their watch. Them trying to convict Conte of match fixing. And Gattuso.

Now they have clubs "tweeting" about refereeing scandals and coaches mocking the league playing violins. Newspapers make stats on the front page about who benefits from mistakes. Italy :lol: FIGC :lol:

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So when are we moving to France then?
I forgot about that argument :lol:
 

1251alex

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written by a Milanista:
Calcio's Greatest Shame
by Elaine

My first memory of Italian “justice” goes back a number of years when I read a little writeup in an American paper about a rape trial in Southern Italy. Everything pointed to the man’s guilt, but he was exonerated of all wrongdoing by the all-male court, who cited that the young woman’s pants were too tight, therefore he could not have removed them by himself, therefore it was not rape. Reading about this enraged my sensibilities, not only as a woman, but also as an American. Sadly, it is not hard to find injustice here, but at least the system usually fails because of human error or perhaps a legal loophole that actually requires intelligence and effort to find, rather than making up rulings at will. However, reading about that case prepared me for my shock from the ever growing laundry list that is Silvio Berlusconi’s resumé of legal allegations and the complete lack of justice for the man who gained much of his wealth and power due to Milan’s successes on the pitch. And yet, as ill as that always makes me to think about, he is hardly calcio’s greatest shame.

It was eight years ago this summer that the football match fixing scandal which would be branded “Calciopoli” broke. There have been many, many scandals over the years, and although the ongoing investigations in the “Calcioscomesse” scandal were promised to eclipse Calciopoli in scope, it is perhaps the mishandling of the evidence and the broad injustices of the sporting justice system and individuals involved that make Calciopoli calcio’s greatest shame. However, what I find most scandalous is how few people know what really happened, especially Milanisti. That is one of the greatest injustices of all, that the truth still lies hidden from so many people even eight years after the scandal broke. What Milanisti remember about the 2006-07 season is that we won our most recent Champions League trophy. But no one remembers the blood on our hands when we did, or why we shouldn’t have even been in Serie A or Champions League that season.

Everyone knows that Juventus were relegated to Serie B for the 2006-07 season and had two of their titles stripped. But what never made sense was the original ruling itself. According to the sporting justice code, to be relegated, a team would have had to have violated the terms of Article 6, which involves illicit activity such as matchfixing. (FIGC Code of Sporting Justice) But Juventus were never officially accused of and definitely never found guilty of matchfixing. (Federal Court Sentence, p. 74) Rather the court used one phone call from then Juventus Director Luciano Moggi to former referee designator Paolo Bergamo to cite violations of Article 1, which involves unsportsmanlike conduct, and punishment for violations typically involve smaller fines, bans, or at the most a small points deduction. With nothing to support the accusations and seemingly needing someone to blame, the FIGC did something unprecedented, a point which has been heavily criticized by the legal community. They created a “structured article violation,” (Commissione d’Appello Federale or CAF Sentence, p. 76) stringing together multiple Article 1 violations by Juventus to equivocate (but not prove) an Article 6 violation and justify their hasty decision to relegate the club. So they invented a ruling to justify a punishment.

But that’s not all. The ruling itself is riddled with inconsistencies. For example, it says that the “referee decisions and selections were not compromised” and that the 04-05 season “wasn’t compromised by match fixing” and that “no game was altered unjustly.” But in the same document, in order to justify the ruling, it also says that “Juventus still obtained an advantage in the standings.” (See CAF Sentence) Basically, within the original findings of the court, Juventus were punished simply because they won. On the pitch. (Federal Court Sentence p. 77)

It is important to note that the original trial and verdict were rushed. The scandal broke in the middle of May, right at the end of the 2005-06 season. Because of the stark contrast of Italy’s success in the World Cup and the shame of such a large scale scandal, prosecutors were pressured to push the trial through. Also because it involved so many of the teams who were supposed to compete in Europe that next season, UEFA demanded a final decision on the eligibility of the teams involved by July 25th. If you know the Italian system, that is very, very fast. So, to help expedite the case, no wire taps were heard in court, only transcripts were read. There were no witnesses. And no video evidence allowed by the defense. In fact, the defense was only given 3 days to compile their arguments and was not presented with the evidence prior to the trial, even though that is the normal procedure within the law. Instead, the press got a hold of the evidence first (more on that later.) The original Calciopoli trial was more farcical and short-lived than one of Berlusconi’s numerous appeals, but with so much more on the line.

That brings me to Milan. One of the arguments for the Juventus witch hunt was that Juventus were the only ones in contact with the referee designators or referees, that they had an “exclusive” relationship with them. (see CAF Sentence p. 74) But that was never true, which is why Stefano Palazzi, the prosecutor for the FIGC in the Calciopoli case originally called for Juventus, Milan, Fiorentina, and Lazio to all be relegated. In fact, Milan actually had a Director of Referee Relations, Leonardo Meani. Of the climate at the time, ex-referee designator Bergamo explained “It was a moment when we were asked to create a tranquil situation for referees. The Federation (FIGC) gave us a telephone which they used to pay for and they knew all the statements. Our phone numbers were given to all the clubs, and they all used to call us.” So everyone was doing this at the time, but only certain clubs were punished, some a lot more than others.

Milan stands out in this situation, though, not only for having Meani on the payroll specifically for the purpose of talking to the referee designator, but for the fact that evidence showed that Galliani and Meani both violated Article 6. This means that Milan should have been relegated. You might say, “but Milan were punished.” True. Milan were docked 30 points from the standings at the end of the 2005-06 season. And another 8 points for the 2006-07 season, too.

But here’s where things get really strange. Juventus were convicted on Article 1 charges, and the court’s decision said that Juve directors Moggi and Giraudo acted independently, which infers that the club should not have been punished. But Milan used this same idea to work for them, that Galliani and Meani acted independently, which allowed Milan to remain in the Champions League that season. Was it just because Galliani was the President of Serie A at the time? Or that Berlusconi was Prime Minister of Italy? Or was it all of those phone calls that were wire tapped where they discussed meeting with referee Pierluigi Collina in Meani’s restaurant when it was closed? You know, Collina, who I’m sure was only coincidentally appointed the head referee designator following that meeting (although I also read somewhere that Inter’s Facchetti nominated him.)

And as for our Champions League efforts that season, that was the one where we earned our seventh shiny Champions League trophy. So if Milan were allowed to be in Champions League, then Juventus should not have been relegated, and only Moggi and Giraudo punished. And if Juventus should not have been relegated, Milan definitely should have been, as evidence clearly shows Galliani and Meani violated Article 6. If that doesn’t convince you of the discrepancies in punishments, look at the final suspensions handed down to the various people caught on tape: Moggi got a lifetime ban from football, Giraudo got a €20.000 fine, 5 year ban, and 3 years in jail. Many others got 2-5 year bans and/or jail time, and Meani got a 2 ½ year ban from football. But Galliani, “the old fox,” got out of the whole thing with only a 5 month ban, a fine, and a bonus of a Champions League trophy for his club. Does that even count as a slap on the wrist for one of the worst offenders in this case? And that trophy was also from a Champions League competition Milan should not have been in if justice had been served. The inconsistency of the sentences handed down in this scandal is simply unbelievable.

But it gets better. If you’ve ever read any of my posts about Inter and wondered why I garner such an intense hatred for a team that is supposed to have just a “family” rivalry, now you will know why. Why was Inter never implicated in the original Calciopoli trial when pretty much all of the other big clubs were? The wiretaps for the investigation were performed by Telecom Italia, which was run at the time by a man who had been on Inter’s Board of Directors for over 10 years and later went on to become president of Pirelli, Inter’s sponsor. Guido Rossi was appointed FIGC president to oversee the Calciopoli investigation and was given additional powers for the scandal, he was also a long-time board member for Inter. After only 3 months in his position, he was forced to step down as many clubs complained about a conflict of interest. And remember when I mentioned previously that the prosecution’s evidence was not given to the defense, but rather “leaked” to the media? Inter’s vice president at the time also owned La Gazzetta dello Sport, which was also run by a couple of major investors in Inter, too. Bruno Bartolazzi is the head editor of Il Corriere dello Sport, and was also Inter’s Team Manager. How perfect for Inter to have so many friends in all the right places right when a scandal was about to break. It’s almost as if they knew all about it in the first place.

There were wiretaps of both Inter owner Massimo Moratti and then club president Giacinto Facchetti speaking to referees and referee designators, having them over for dinner and such, but most of those tapes mysteriously did not appear with the original set of wiretaps. Yes, that is the Moratti of multiple wire-tapping case fame. Perhaps even more miraculously, the wiretaps implicating Inter appeared right about the five year mark. You know, the statute of limitations in Italy? So despite a second Calciopoli trial, the evidence of which Palazzi said “Inter violated the article relative to sporting fraud with regards to the possibility of taking advantages in the standings” and also that they were "directly responsible for having secured an advantage in the league standings by conditioning the regular function of the referee sector," that evidence was never allowed in court. Ex-referee designee Bergamo actually said of all of the teams, Inter called him the most: “In particular I used to speak with Inter because they never used to win back then, and they always used to moan." Some things never change.

But what did change was that all of the new wiretaps showed conclusively what some had said all along: Juventus were the least guilty of those charged and should not have been relegated. Inter and Milan were two of the most guilty clubs, and absolutely should have been relegated. Only these newly found wiretaps were not admissible as evidence unless Moratti would wave the statute of limitations. But of course he wouldn’t, and rather accused everyone of an “unacceptable attack.” In my research, I could not find a shred of evidence that contradicted Inter’s guilt. Instead, from Inter’s side of things, all I found was “moaning.” Club representatives and fans alike complaining about the accusations, but all of the evidence held up. Even worse, Moratti used Facchetti’s death as a defense for not waiving the statute of limitations, as the club legend had died in September of 2006 and Moratti didn’t want to damage his memory.

But the despicable behaviors of a network of the Inter family who recorded the calls and carefully chose which ones to admit into evidence in the original trial as well as the baseless cries of innocence once the truth was revealed, and even their unwillingness to make things right by waiving the statute of limitations is nothing compared to what Inter gained. Obviously, the 2005-06 “paper” Scudetto, which was handed to them by the courts, despite more blood on their hands than Juventus could ever have. Then there was the demise of the great Juventus team, who had to sell so many of their big players, including both Patrick Viera and Zlatan Ibrahimovic directly to Inter. So Inter’s main rival was out of the picture in Serie B for 2006-07, and three of their rivals, Milan, Fiorentina, and Lazio were also docked points for that season. With a strengthened team thanks to Juve’s relegation and their other rivals crippled, of course they won the Scudetto in 2006-07. Their first Scudetto win on the pitch since 1988-89. Coincidence? Definitely not.

Having stepped on the backs of those they took down, Inter went on to win three more Scudetti in a row after that. Before that in their entire history, they had never won more than two in a row. Now, suddenly they win four in a row? They also won two Coppa Italia trophies, two Super Coppa trophies, a FIFA Club World Cup, a UEFA Super Cup trophy, and a Champions League trophy, too. They hadn’t even won the Champions League since 1965, and now they pull off a treble? Are you kidding me? Can you honestly say they won any of these fairly? That the advantages they gained from match fixing and the punishment of others didn’t help them to do things the club has never done before and will likely never do again?

The shame and injustice of Calciopoli is immense, it is impossible to imagine how so much corruption could coexist with the beautiful game. But for me, the biggest shame is not the calls to the referee designators. The bigger shame is how the FIGC and everyone involved handled it. The biggest shame is the club who orchestrated it, completely evaded culpability, and then profited so much from the cheating. I hate Inter. I will never be able to respect the club off the pitch. That they now have the audacity to sing "Io non rubo il campionato ed in Serie B non son mai stato" ("I don't steal the championship and have never been in Serie B") in the stadiums just shows a complete lack of any moral decency whatsoever. Words cannot even describe the sheer disgust I have for Moratti and everyone who believes they deserved any of those titles.

I am disgusted by all of Calciopoli. Certainly Milan's involvement is my biggest shame as a fan. And I am also ashamed for the Milan fans who not only have no clue what Milan’s part in the scandal was, and how amazingly lucky we were to get that 7th Champions League trophy, but who then have the audacity to point fingers at Juventus and judge. In a scandal that no one could win from, and “justice” that was more akin to playing Russian roulette, Juventus took the bullet for an entire league. If you read this and still make jokes about Juve being relegated, how many Scudetti they have, etc., then you are no better than an Inter fan. There is nothing funny about Calciopoli. It destroyed an entire league and created scars that still impact all of Italian football, including the Italian National Team at this year’s World Cup. I don’t know if Italy will ever recover from it the way things are going. But if we as fans cannot look at the truth about Calciopoli and act accordingly, then we are only contributing more to Calcio’s biggest shame.

Special thanks to Aaron Giambattista for pointing me in the right direction to research this post



This post inspired by eight years of tears for my beloved calcio


http://www.milanobsession.com/2014/07/calcios-greatest-shame.html
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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How many clubs have filed bankrupty in Italy versus the other top flights? :lol:

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written by a Milanista:
Calcio's Greatest Shame
by Elaine

My first memory of Italian “justice” goes back a number of years when I read a little writeup in an American paper about a rape trial in Southern Italy. Everything pointed to the man’s guilt, but he was exonerated of all wrongdoing by the all-male court, who cited that the young woman’s pants were too tight, therefore he could not have removed them by himself, therefore it was not rape. Reading about this enraged my sensibilities, not only as a woman, but also as an American. Sadly, it is not hard to find injustice here, but at least the system usually fails because of human error or perhaps a legal loophole that actually requires intelligence and effort to find, rather than making up rulings at will. However, reading about that case prepared me for my shock from the ever growing laundry list that is Silvio Berlusconi’s resumé of legal allegations and the complete lack of justice for the man who gained much of his wealth and power due to Milan’s successes on the pitch. And yet, as ill as that always makes me to think about, he is hardly calcio’s greatest shame.

It was eight years ago this summer that the football match fixing scandal which would be branded “Calciopoli” broke. There have been many, many scandals over the years, and although the ongoing investigations in the “Calcioscomesse” scandal were promised to eclipse Calciopoli in scope, it is perhaps the mishandling of the evidence and the broad injustices of the sporting justice system and individuals involved that make Calciopoli calcio’s greatest shame. However, what I find most scandalous is how few people know what really happened, especially Milanisti. That is one of the greatest injustices of all, that the truth still lies hidden from so many people even eight years after the scandal broke. What Milanisti remember about the 2006-07 season is that we won our most recent Champions League trophy. But no one remembers the blood on our hands when we did, or why we shouldn’t have even been in Serie A or Champions League that season.

Everyone knows that Juventus were relegated to Serie B for the 2006-07 season and had two of their titles stripped. But what never made sense was the original ruling itself. According to the sporting justice code, to be relegated, a team would have had to have violated the terms of Article 6, which involves illicit activity such as matchfixing. (FIGC Code of Sporting Justice) But Juventus were never officially accused of and definitely never found guilty of matchfixing. (Federal Court Sentence, p. 74) Rather the court used one phone call from then Juventus Director Luciano Moggi to former referee designator Paolo Bergamo to cite violations of Article 1, which involves unsportsmanlike conduct, and punishment for violations typically involve smaller fines, bans, or at the most a small points deduction. With nothing to support the accusations and seemingly needing someone to blame, the FIGC did something unprecedented, a point which has been heavily criticized by the legal community. They created a “structured article violation,” (Commissione d’Appello Federale or CAF Sentence, p. 76) stringing together multiple Article 1 violations by Juventus to equivocate (but not prove) an Article 6 violation and justify their hasty decision to relegate the club. So they invented a ruling to justify a punishment.

But that’s not all. The ruling itself is riddled with inconsistencies. For example, it says that the “referee decisions and selections were not compromised” and that the 04-05 season “wasn’t compromised by match fixing” and that “no game was altered unjustly.” But in the same document, in order to justify the ruling, it also says that “Juventus still obtained an advantage in the standings.” (See CAF Sentence) Basically, within the original findings of the court, Juventus were punished simply because they won. On the pitch. (Federal Court Sentence p. 77)

It is important to note that the original trial and verdict were rushed. The scandal broke in the middle of May, right at the end of the 2005-06 season. Because of the stark contrast of Italy’s success in the World Cup and the shame of such a large scale scandal, prosecutors were pressured to push the trial through. Also because it involved so many of the teams who were supposed to compete in Europe that next season, UEFA demanded a final decision on the eligibility of the teams involved by July 25th. If you know the Italian system, that is very, very fast. So, to help expedite the case, no wire taps were heard in court, only transcripts were read. There were no witnesses. And no video evidence allowed by the defense. In fact, the defense was only given 3 days to compile their arguments and was not presented with the evidence prior to the trial, even though that is the normal procedure within the law. Instead, the press got a hold of the evidence first (more on that later.) The original Calciopoli trial was more farcical and short-lived than one of Berlusconi’s numerous appeals, but with so much more on the line.

That brings me to Milan. One of the arguments for the Juventus witch hunt was that Juventus were the only ones in contact with the referee designators or referees, that they had an “exclusive” relationship with them. (see CAF Sentence p. 74) But that was never true, which is why Stefano Palazzi, the prosecutor for the FIGC in the Calciopoli case originally called for Juventus, Milan, Fiorentina, and Lazio to all be relegated. In fact, Milan actually had a Director of Referee Relations, Leonardo Meani. Of the climate at the time, ex-referee designator Bergamo explained “It was a moment when we were asked to create a tranquil situation for referees. The Federation (FIGC) gave us a telephone which they used to pay for and they knew all the statements. Our phone numbers were given to all the clubs, and they all used to call us.” So everyone was doing this at the time, but only certain clubs were punished, some a lot more than others.

Milan stands out in this situation, though, not only for having Meani on the payroll specifically for the purpose of talking to the referee designator, but for the fact that evidence showed that Galliani and Meani both violated Article 6. This means that Milan should have been relegated. You might say, “but Milan were punished.” True. Milan were docked 30 points from the standings at the end of the 2005-06 season. And another 8 points for the 2006-07 season, too.

But here’s where things get really strange. Juventus were convicted on Article 1 charges, and the court’s decision said that Juve directors Moggi and Giraudo acted independently, which infers that the club should not have been punished. But Milan used this same idea to work for them, that Galliani and Meani acted independently, which allowed Milan to remain in the Champions League that season. Was it just because Galliani was the President of Serie A at the time? Or that Berlusconi was Prime Minister of Italy? Or was it all of those phone calls that were wire tapped where they discussed meeting with referee Pierluigi Collina in Meani’s restaurant when it was closed? You know, Collina, who I’m sure was only coincidentally appointed the head referee designator following that meeting (although I also read somewhere that Inter’s Facchetti nominated him.)

And as for our Champions League efforts that season, that was the one where we earned our seventh shiny Champions League trophy. So if Milan were allowed to be in Champions League, then Juventus should not have been relegated, and only Moggi and Giraudo punished. And if Juventus should not have been relegated, Milan definitely should have been, as evidence clearly shows Galliani and Meani violated Article 6. If that doesn’t convince you of the discrepancies in punishments, look at the final suspensions handed down to the various people caught on tape: Moggi got a lifetime ban from football, Giraudo got a €20.000 fine, 5 year ban, and 3 years in jail. Many others got 2-5 year bans and/or jail time, and Meani got a 2 ½ year ban from football. But Galliani, “the old fox,” got out of the whole thing with only a 5 month ban, a fine, and a bonus of a Champions League trophy for his club. Does that even count as a slap on the wrist for one of the worst offenders in this case? And that trophy was also from a Champions League competition Milan should not have been in if justice had been served. The inconsistency of the sentences handed down in this scandal is simply unbelievable.

But it gets better. If you’ve ever read any of my posts about Inter and wondered why I garner such an intense hatred for a team that is supposed to have just a “family” rivalry, now you will know why. Why was Inter never implicated in the original Calciopoli trial when pretty much all of the other big clubs were? The wiretaps for the investigation were performed by Telecom Italia, which was run at the time by a man who had been on Inter’s Board of Directors for over 10 years and later went on to become president of Pirelli, Inter’s sponsor. Guido Rossi was appointed FIGC president to oversee the Calciopoli investigation and was given additional powers for the scandal, he was also a long-time board member for Inter. After only 3 months in his position, he was forced to step down as many clubs complained about a conflict of interest. And remember when I mentioned previously that the prosecution’s evidence was not given to the defense, but rather “leaked” to the media? Inter’s vice president at the time also owned La Gazzetta dello Sport, which was also run by a couple of major investors in Inter, too. Bruno Bartolazzi is the head editor of Il Corriere dello Sport, and was also Inter’s Team Manager. How perfect for Inter to have so many friends in all the right places right when a scandal was about to break. It’s almost as if they knew all about it in the first place.

There were wiretaps of both Inter owner Massimo Moratti and then club president Giacinto Facchetti speaking to referees and referee designators, having them over for dinner and such, but most of those tapes mysteriously did not appear with the original set of wiretaps. Yes, that is the Moratti of multiple wire-tapping case fame. Perhaps even more miraculously, the wiretaps implicating Inter appeared right about the five year mark. You know, the statute of limitations in Italy? So despite a second Calciopoli trial, the evidence of which Palazzi said “Inter violated the article relative to sporting fraud with regards to the possibility of taking advantages in the standings” and also that they were "directly responsible for having secured an advantage in the league standings by conditioning the regular function of the referee sector," that evidence was never allowed in court. Ex-referee designee Bergamo actually said of all of the teams, Inter called him the most: “In particular I used to speak with Inter because they never used to win back then, and they always used to moan." Some things never change.

But what did change was that all of the new wiretaps showed conclusively what some had said all along: Juventus were the least guilty of those charged and should not have been relegated. Inter and Milan were two of the most guilty clubs, and absolutely should have been relegated. Only these newly found wiretaps were not admissible as evidence unless Moratti would wave the statute of limitations. But of course he wouldn’t, and rather accused everyone of an “unacceptable attack.” In my research, I could not find a shred of evidence that contradicted Inter’s guilt. Instead, from Inter’s side of things, all I found was “moaning.” Club representatives and fans alike complaining about the accusations, but all of the evidence held up. Even worse, Moratti used Facchetti’s death as a defense for not waiving the statute of limitations, as the club legend had died in September of 2006 and Moratti didn’t want to damage his memory.

But the despicable behaviors of a network of the Inter family who recorded the calls and carefully chose which ones to admit into evidence in the original trial as well as the baseless cries of innocence once the truth was revealed, and even their unwillingness to make things right by waiving the statute of limitations is nothing compared to what Inter gained. Obviously, the 2005-06 “paper” Scudetto, which was handed to them by the courts, despite more blood on their hands than Juventus could ever have. Then there was the demise of the great Juventus team, who had to sell so many of their big players, including both Patrick Viera and Zlatan Ibrahimovic directly to Inter. So Inter’s main rival was out of the picture in Serie B for 2006-07, and three of their rivals, Milan, Fiorentina, and Lazio were also docked points for that season. With a strengthened team thanks to Juve’s relegation and their other rivals crippled, of course they won the Scudetto in 2006-07. Their first Scudetto win on the pitch since 1988-89. Coincidence? Definitely not.

Having stepped on the backs of those they took down, Inter went on to win three more Scudetti in a row after that. Before that in their entire history, they had never won more than two in a row. Now, suddenly they win four in a row? They also won two Coppa Italia trophies, two Super Coppa trophies, a FIFA Club World Cup, a UEFA Super Cup trophy, and a Champions League trophy, too. They hadn’t even won the Champions League since 1965, and now they pull off a treble? Are you kidding me? Can you honestly say they won any of these fairly? That the advantages they gained from match fixing and the punishment of others didn’t help them to do things the club has never done before and will likely never do again?

The shame and injustice of Calciopoli is immense, it is impossible to imagine how so much corruption could coexist with the beautiful game. But for me, the biggest shame is not the calls to the referee designators. The bigger shame is how the FIGC and everyone involved handled it. The biggest shame is the club who orchestrated it, completely evaded culpability, and then profited so much from the cheating. I hate Inter. I will never be able to respect the club off the pitch. That they now have the audacity to sing "Io non rubo il campionato ed in Serie B non son mai stato" ("I don't steal the championship and have never been in Serie B") in the stadiums just shows a complete lack of any moral decency whatsoever. Words cannot even describe the sheer disgust I have for Moratti and everyone who believes they deserved any of those titles.

I am disgusted by all of Calciopoli. Certainly Milan's involvement is my biggest shame as a fan. And I am also ashamed for the Milan fans who not only have no clue what Milan’s part in the scandal was, and how amazingly lucky we were to get that 7th Champions League trophy, but who then have the audacity to point fingers at Juventus and judge. In a scandal that no one could win from, and “justice” that was more akin to playing Russian roulette, Juventus took the bullet for an entire league. If you read this and still make jokes about Juve being relegated, how many Scudetti they have, etc., then you are no better than an Inter fan. There is nothing funny about Calciopoli. It destroyed an entire league and created scars that still impact all of Italian football, including the Italian National Team at this year’s World Cup. I don’t know if Italy will ever recover from it the way things are going. But if we as fans cannot look at the truth about Calciopoli and act accordingly, then we are only contributing more to Calcio’s biggest shame.

Special thanks to Aaron Giambattista for pointing me in the right direction to research this post



This post inspired by eight years of tears for my beloved calcio


http://www.milanobsession.com/2014/07/calcios-greatest-shame.html
Started reading the last paragraph and it actually sounds like the guy isn't being biased. :tup:
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Pretty much my sentiments exactly. And sooner or later Inter are going to get punished. Hard. You don't get away with a conspiracy like that, especially not in Italy.

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Moggi is free because statue of limitation.
But guilty status or not is still not clear.
Has no effect for us.
He was acquitted on the charges of sporting fraud, which would have an impact on Juventus.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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But they did. And they won the treble as a result.
They did for a while, yes. You think the Corte Suprema di Cassazione found it easy to absolve Moggi of sporting fraud? This is the man in the middle of one of the biggest trials in the country. I would be very eager to read the verdict entirely.
 

PiN7uRiCCHi0

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Aug 18, 2010
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I mean, our owners are to be blamed in big part too for not defending themselves back in 2006. This whole farsopoli would have ended there. Never trust the Elkanns.
According to the article quoted by @Tanu_Mz on the previous page:

"The original case, in 2006, was rushed through the FIGC’s court of sporting justice in order to close the proceedings in time for the World Cup and avoid sanctions from FIFA. Juventus, in fact, did not appeal the guilty verdict they were slapped with, as to have an ongoing open investigation within their league would have meant Italy being banned from competing in the World Cup that summer, a tournament that the Azzurri eventually won."

I don't know how events would've unfolded if Juve appealed but this may have been a factor in that decision, if true of course.

@Hustini, I am sorry but it will take many years still until Juve are truly back where they were back then. Yes, Juve may be dominating in Serie A again but just take a look at the enormous financial gap that has opened up between them and Europe's richest clubs. Reaching the former level of competitiveness and global appeal will not happen that quickly.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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They did for a while, yes. You think the Corte Suprema di Cassazione found it easy to absolve Moggi of sporting fraud? This is the man in the middle of one of the biggest trials in the country. I would be very eager to read the verdict entirely.
Of course he is reluctant to absolve Moggi he has no choice with the evidence. But that's where it ends, unfortunately. The Italian justice system in all its splendor doesn't leave any other doors open to punish Inter.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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@Hustini, I am sorry but it will take many years still until Juve are truly back where they were back then. Yes, Juve may be dominating in Serie A again but just take a look at the enormous financial gap that has opened up between them and Europe's richest clubs. Reaching the former level of competitiveness and global appeal will not happen that quickly.
I don't see it taking any longer than another 3 years, 4 max. We are in the top 10 now almost, right? We keep doing well in the CL for the next couple years, smart on our sponsorships (Adidas brings a lot) and get our stadium paid off quickly we are Golden.

When you see how easily we win this league and the other teams struggle financially it is easy to see the big picture. I mean it will take at least two seasons starting next year for a club to actually have their own stadium. We sit back and watch the cash role in while everyone else leases their stadium.

This is where Marotta comes in: His penny pinching and business savvy deals help keep our books in the green. Agnelli is has running a business in his blood.

We are good.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,325
Of course he is reluctant to absolve Moggi he has no choice with the evidence. But that's where it ends, unfortunately. The Italian justice system in all its splendor doesn't leave any other doors open to punish Inter.
Criminally, no. Most countries that have a civil code based on the napeolonic civil code have longer statutes of limitations for this type of thing, they can be up to 30 years. Again, I am not familiar with Italian civil or criminal law, but I would expect there to be an opening.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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Criminally, no. Most countries that have a civil code based on the napeolonic civil code have longer statutes of limitations for this type of thing, they can be up to 30 years. Again, I am not familiar with Italian civil or criminal law, but I would expect there to be an opening.
I see there might be an opening to take this to civil court for the 443m in reparations but that where it ends. We go after the FIGC for damage but, much like in the US with our "double jeopardy" rule where you can't be convicted twice of the same crime, I am fairly certain there is something along those lines again.


The sporting justice system there will never allow another case to show they were wrong. It's done.
 

Mark

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Dec 19, 2003
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According to the article quoted by @Tanu_Mz on the previous page:

"The original case, in 2006, was rushed through the FIGC’s court of sporting justice in order to close the proceedings in time for the World Cup and avoid sanctions from FIFA. Juventus, in fact, did not appeal the guilty verdict they were slapped with, as to have an ongoing open investigation within their league would have meant Italy being banned from competing in the World Cup that summer, a tournament that the Azzurri eventually won."

I don't know how events would've unfolded if Juve appealed but this may have been a factor in that decision, if true of course.

@Hustini, I am sorry but it will take many years still until Juve are truly back where they were back then. Yes, Juve may be dominating in Serie A again but just take a look at the enormous financial gap that has opened up between them and Europe's richest clubs. Reaching the former level of competitiveness and global appeal will not happen that quickly.
I think it was more of Giraudo/Moggi vs Elkanns(FIAT). They didn't do shit so that Giraudo wouldn't buy FIAT or Juve. But those are suppositions.
 

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