Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (80 Viewers)

[sebastian_gio]

I guess 4 years ago it was alright that goal.com took nearly ever shred of "info" from the gazzetta.

The only untouchable here so far has been Inter so he should watch his analogies.

He is referring to the "request for Collina" and maybe buddy needs to learn Italian because that wire is horrible for Inter regardless of that line. I heard it and questioned it but Bergamo came out officially telling reporters that the voice we hear was definitely Facchetti's because he requested Collina by name...later he even requested that Bertini be removed from the grid in the same call.

It just amazes me that after the attack Juve received from the pro Milanese-Roman press in Italy 4 years ago that this guy is complaining about goal.com when I have seen them translate transcripts from ANSA, La Stampa, La Repubblica, Corriere and even La Gazzetta recently. People just highlight "Tuttosport" because of its lack of credibility. Fuck you douche go read all the papers. They are all saying the same thing because Inter got caught. Funny thing is that Gazzetta and Corriere (Inter owned) are trying their best to focus on non Inter names (Gazzetta mentioned Roma's Prade before anyone else).

The Bergamo-Facchetti call about the grids is of course serious, wheter it was Bergamo or Facchetti who pronounced Collinas name. But on the audio that are released the one who pronounce his name is Bergamo.

Latest interview with Moggi:
Hanno una bella faccia tosta. Non è di nostro interesse chi pronunci la parola “Collina” (nell’intercettazione Bergamo-Facchetti, ndr), perché il dato importante è che Facchetti ha fatto la griglia con il designatore Bergamo. Ci hanno massacrato per quattro anni per cose simili. Ora non bisogna nascondersi dietro la prescrizione, perché se tali loro fatti sono prescritti, sono prescritti pure i nostri».

I think Moggi in this gives us an indication that maybe it wasnt Facchetti after all who says his name in that part of the call, whatever Bergamo says. The guy who did the transcipt seems to have made a misstake. Anyhow, the call is very serious.

One ragazzo in j1897 have used a sound-tool and pretty much proved that it was Bergamo who said Collina in that part of the call.

When they listen to the call in court it will be confirmed.

 

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[Hængebøffer]

I am never inclined to trust goal.com.

Their journalistic standards have been too low for too long for that.



I'm not saying Moggi hasn't raised interesting evidence or that the evidence that saw Juve done wasn't pretty flimsy.

However, I believe that Moggi/Juve need something absolutely and utterly irrefutable and huge to cause the court to find in his favour and give lead to all that would come from that.

The evidence which has appeared looks to me like it might, might, be enough to see other clubs recieve some punishment, but it does not seem to show that Moggi is/was completely innocent and that Juve deserve deserve the scudetti and compensation.

The only thing i have read from goal, is the letter from Moggi to Elkann. But it seems like goal is saying what the other media does.
I think Moggi has the same evidence which got us demoted back then.

 

[Red]

It's easy to say.
Then I don't believe anything I read which have another opinion, because it's not way I think.

I treat all information presented to me on its merits.

Of course, it is harder to dismiss something when it is telling you what you want to hear.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Can you elaborate on that? With something concrete?

Nope.

But it strikes me as very odd that sites like Goal & the lot are showcasing such a pro Moggi / Juve stance. Furthermore, most of the news I have read so far seems to have originated from Moggi's team. Which makes it difficult to form a balanced opinion.

That being said, I remain hopeful. Especially now that the FIGC has openly admitted to having doubts about what happened (I view the reopening of the case as such).

 

[Hængebøffer]

I treat all information presented to me on its merits.

Of course, it is harder to dismiss something when it is telling you what you want to hear.

Fair enough. I look at the fact's and draw my own conclusion (I'm always right ).

To me the calciopoli was invented. Italy is Italy and they have their "special system" and Moggi did nothing wrong. If The Great Agnelli still were alive, we would never have been relegated.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Nope.

But it strikes me as very odd that sites like Goal & the lot are showcasing such a pro Moggi / Juve stance. Furthermore, most of the news I have read so far seems to have originated from Moggi's team. Which makes it difficult to form a balanced opinion.

That being said, I remain hopeful. Especially now that the FIGC has openly admitted to having doubts about what happened (I view the reopening of the case as such).

But so are the courtroom. This is a Moggi defense trial.

 

[Red]

Fair enough. I look at the fact's and draw my own conclusion (I'm always right ).

Aren't we all?

To me the calciopoli was invented. Italy is Italy and they have their "special system" and Moggi did nothing wrong.

I always felt Moggi was acting improperly (if not illegally), but probably not worse than a lot of other teams were doing.

If The Great Agnelli still were alive, we would never have been relegated.

That doesn't mean Moggi wasn't doing something wrong.

 

[sebastian_gio]

Fair enough. I look at the fact's and draw my own conclusion (I'm always right ).

To me the calciopoli was invented. Italy is Italy and they have their "special system" and Moggi did nothing wrong. If The Great Agnelli still were alive, we would never have been relegated.

Even the well-known interista Elio Corno agree with you, he's also a journalist for il Giornale.

Carraro-Bergamo: -Elio Corno is the one who first comment on the call.

Goal.com about the call: Here.

 

[Hængebøffer]

I always felt Moggi was acting improperly (if not illegally), but probably not worse than a lot of other teams were doing.

This is my point. Italy has their own way's and you will have too change the whole community, before you can change Calcio.

My father is from sicily and when he discuss politics with Danish people, he say's the same:

"They are all a "bit corrupt", you have to be.

 

[sebastian_gio]

Aren't we all?



I always felt Moggi was acting improperly (if not illegally), but probably not worse than a lot of other teams were doing.



That doesn't mean Moggi wasn't doing something wrong.

I would propably agree with you that Moggi is guilty of art. 1 violations. Like many other teams. But it's a huge difference between art. 1 and art. 6 (todays art. 7)

 

[JCK]

Even the well-known interista Elio Corno agree with you, he's also a journalist for il Giornale.

Carraro-Bergamo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRxzqoreNJU
-Elio Corno is the one who first comment on the call.

Goal.com about the call: Here.

You sound like solojuve1897, please translate

 

[sebastian_gio]

Goal, in the earlier article I posted, has a small translation which goes like this:

Elio Corno: "It's a scandal. We are talking about the head of Italian football here. Based on just this call, the whole Calciopoli process should have been scrapped,"

 

[Dostoevsky]

Thanks for sharing but I have to ban you.

 

[SABSAB]

 

[Dostoevsky]

Another dual account.

 

[SABSAB]

Is dual account day today?

 

[JCK]

Thanks for sharing but I have to ban you.

It was solojuve1897, right?

 

[Dostoevsky]

Is dual account day today?

Yeah

It was solojuve1897, right?

Da.

 

[JCK]

Yeah



Da.

It's so obvious that it's silly. I don't know why did he create a dual account, to post or to be able to read.

 

[JBF]

Both I guess.