Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (34 Viewers)

AngelaL

Jinx Minx
Aug 25, 2006
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The court in Naples or FIGC must be stupid to lost such an important evidence in matter of several days..
... Mislaid important evidence 'accidentally on purpose' ?

I don't think this was accidental: it was intentional! Italy is full of corrupt :alen: :alen: !:andy2:

Calciopoli Watch: Totti Escaped Juventus Ban, Zamparini Blames Moggi, Blanc Wants Justice, De Laurentiis In Quit Threat

Goal.com rounds up the biggest Calciopoli stories of the day...
By Salvatore Landolina Apr 16, 2010 5:00:00 PM

As the evidence being wheeled into the Calciopoli trial at the Tribunal of Naples mounts, new questions have been raised as to why Roma captain Francesco Totti escaped a ban for insulting a referee a week before the Lupi took on Juventus during the 2004/05 season.
According to Il Corriere della Sera, one of the 75 calls sees designators Pierluigi Pairetto and Paolo Bergamo avoiding taking action against Totti after he swore at the referee during Roma's 1-1 draw with Palermo on October 24 2004. Both Pairetto and Bergamo are alleged to have "had words" with the match official who had received abuse from Totti. It is alleged the referee was told not to mention the abuse in his match report, meaning Totti escaped a ban, and played against Juventus a week later, a game the Bianconeri won 2-0.
Moggi has accused the Juventus leadership of not doing enough to defend themselves during the original 2006 trial, claiming a stronger defence would have avoided relegation to Serie B.
Current president Jean-Claude Blanc has since responded, and he is taking a step back from all of the court room corridor swipes.
"Juventus are watching the situation and we need to give those responsible time to ensure a fair and equal justice for all, we have already been clear about this last week when we released the statement." he told the press on Friday.
Blanc was referring to a statement the club had released in relation to the on-going trial in Naples.
Meanwhile, one of Moggi's lawyers, Paolo Rodella, has said their interest is to defend the former director, not the club.
"We have asked the courts for the aquisition of these new wiretaps and we will get a response once the trial resumes on Tuesday," he told Tuttomercatoweb.com.
"Myself and two colleagues are only interested in our client Luciano Moggi's position. We are not interested in Juve's situation. We only want the best solution for our client."
Palermo have also been accused of calling referees, but president Maurizio Zamparini has blamed the whole Calciopoli affair on Moggi and Juventus. 'Zampa' has renewed his attack on the former Juve chief, despite the evidence against his own Rosanero.
"I have always been an opponent of Moggi's in the Lega, both Moggi and [Antonio] Giraudo," Zamparini told La Repubblica.
"I had warned the Agnellis back when they employed the duo. Moggi understands football, but he is not the example of sporting fairness. If he dragged Calcio into the mud then Juventus are also to blame."
Zamparini then defended his club in light of the new calls that have dragged them into the case.
"I had told [Rino] Foschi (former Palermo director) to make those calls. We wanted to protect ourselves," he concluded.
As the Lega Calcio meeting between club presidents and directors concluded Friday's Calciopoli pingball match, Milan, Parma, Napoli and Lazio all added their voices to the latest developments. It's important to note that both Parma and Napoli are not involved in the trial.
Leandro Cantamessa, Milan lawyer and advisor, insists the 2006 punishments would have been different had all the new calls been available at the time.
"A different scenario would have emerged with different consequences, but it's not for me to say this," said Cantamessa.
"In these instances it's best to remain quiet," said Lazio president Claudio Lotito.
"All these new things should be discussed in the appropriate place [court] and they will decide if these things are relevant to what has been happening," he concluded.
Parma president Tommaso Ghirardi has called for Italy's political leaders to get involved and put an end to the Calciopoli debate for good.
"I think the political world needs to examine all this and resolve it as soon as possible," said Ghirardi.
Aurelio De Laurentiis has gone a step further. He doesn't need political duck hunting to help him turn his back on a footballing country torn apart by the effects of Calciopoli.
"I am not in nor out as I am the least able to speak about Calciopoli. But, I do ask myself whether it is worth staying in this football environment," De Laurentiis concluded.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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There is no evidence missing. Moggi isn't innocent. His lawyer is just trying to create confusion and some buzz.

Moggi's sentence will be confirmed. The guy is guilty, dont buy into it.
This is the typical mentality which I can not stand.

Not a single person has a single evidence against Moggi. Not even his rivals. Moggi may not be innocent but judging when we have not seen a single proof is getting old fashioned.
 

Mohad

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May 20, 2009
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What Moggi is proving is that he was not the only one doing it. It just so happens that the tapes with Moratti include some suspicious conversations. Worse than anything Moggi and the designator spoke about.
 

Dominic

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Jan 30, 2004
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This is the typical mentality which I can not stand.

Not a single person has a single evidence against Moggi. Not even his rivals. Moggi may not be innocent but judging when we have not seen a single proof is getting old fashioned.
Really now ? :lol: Theres stacks of evidence against Moggi.

Moggi used his power and influence to extort. Moggi made a lot of the carreers of the refs and he would destroy them if one didn't listen. People knew Moggi was the one to appease if you wanted something. Lanese was Moggi's man, he used him mainly to get the refs he wanted. His power over the ref selectors is the most important thing here. Moggi used this system even more so against opponents. When two rivals met I mean.

GEA as evidence. Either you join or your carreer is destroyed. Proven by several testimonies.

Small club presidents also had to appease Moggi, same as with the refs and players. Either you listen and you get something or you dont and you get destoyed( think Fiorentina and Delle Valle..). This appeasing mostly happened in the Lego Calcio assemblies over a range of topics.

Then these untraceable phone cards. Why have them at all?

All the 'new'(its not new) evidence shows Moratti and co ASKING for best refs for their matches. There were Moggi actually had a say in the assigning of refs to our games and to opponents games.

Anyway there was a humongous case against him, and he was proven guilty already by court. I'm sure he will be proven guilty again.

Though I'm open to the suggestion that Moratti and co. had some power and arent that straight themselves, I do beleive their crimes arent as grand as Moggi's.
 

Badass J Elkann

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Feb 12, 2006
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Really now ? :lol: Theres stacks of evidence against Moggi.

Moggi used his power and influence to extort. Moggi made a lot of the carreers of the refs and he would destroy them if one didn't listen. People knew Moggi was the one to appease if you wanted something. Lanese was Moggi's man, he used him mainly to get the refs he wanted. His power over the ref selectors is the most important thing here. Moggi used this system even more so against opponents. When two rivals met I mean.

GEA as evidence. Either you join or your carreer is destroyed. Proven by several testimonies.

Small club presidents also had to appease Moggi, same as with the refs and players. Either you listen and you get something or you dont and you get destoyed( think Fiorentina and Delle Valle..). This appeasing mostly happened in the Lego Calcio assemblies over a range of topics.

Then these untraceable phone cards. Why have them at all?

All the 'new'(its not new) evidence shows Moratti and co ASKING for best refs for their matches. There were Moggi actually had a say in the assigning of refs to our games and to opponents games.

Anyway there was a humongous case against him, and he was proven guilty already by court. I'm sure he will be proven guilty again.

Though I'm open to the suggestion that Moratti and co. had some power and arent that straight themselves, I do beleive their crimes arent as grand as Moggi's.
the trials at the last 4 civil court hearings have proven otherwise concerning the GEA agency, whilst the untraceable phone cards was proven to be used for transfer purposes to block rival clubs intercepting any potential move.
 
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    I just wanted to throw out a piece of hopeful news. My understanding is that Telecom’s league and federation sponsorship was a five year deal that began in the summer of 2005. This means that it will be ending in a few months. If something has changed please correct me but if nothing has changed and no renewals have been signed then the league and federation could seek out a new sponsor.

    If that happened we may just get a shot at a fair trial.
     

    C4ISR

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    Dec 18, 2005
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    Really now ? :lol: Theres stacks of evidence against Moggi.
    There are stacks of evidence which clearly disprove the idea he was the puppeteer of serie a and the only one to enjoy a relationship with the ref administrators. Considering this is what got us relegated, I fail to see your point.

    Not to mention the whole issue of withheld evidence, and a police officer acting beyond his mandate and deciding which info is relevant. This alone cast serious questions on the original trial, as it was conducted on incomplete evidence. For someone who is/was involved in law, I’m surprised you don’t see the monumental importance of this fact.

    Moggi used his power and influence to extort. Moggi made a lot of the carreers of the refs and he would destroy them if one didn't listen. People knew Moggi was the one to appease if you wanted something. Lanese was Moggi's man, he used him mainly to get the refs he wanted. His power over the ref selectors is the most important thing here. Moggi used this system even more so against opponents. When two rivals met I mean.
    None of these allegations were proven.

    GEA as evidence. Either you join or your carreer is destroyed. Proven by several testimonies.
    Moggi won the GEA trial. Highlighting a few select testimonies is the basis of a weak arguement, as there are other testimonies and information which disprove your theory. Regardless, he won the GEA trial, so your point is non existent.

    Then these untraceable phone cards. Why have them at all?
    Privacy is not a crime, nor does it imply guilt. He knew he was being recorded, and took the necessary steps to ensure his privacy. Any rational person would have done the same.

    All the 'new'(its not new) evidence shows Moratti and co ASKING for best refs for their matches. There were Moggi actually had a say in the assigning of refs to our games and to opponents games.
    The ref selections were legit. Page 83 of verdict.

    Anyway there was a humongous case against him, and he was proven guilty already by court. I'm sure he will be proven guilty again.
    He was proven guilty by the sporting justice. They conducted what has proven to be 4 years of court cases in a few weeks. They have had many of their decisions overturned in post calciopoli courts. All of this seriously undermines the legitimacy of any of their remaining findings. Not to mention the issue of impartiality, and a know Interista being involved.

    Though I'm open to the suggestion that Moratti and co. had some power and arent that straight themselves, I do beleive their crimes arent as grand as Moggi's.
    What were Moggi’s crimes? From reading your post, what he was convicted of and what you are saying he did are 2 different things.
     

    JuveJay

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    Mar 6, 2007
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    The Moggi news is from 2006, we are 4 years on and we can see a bigger picture of what was really going on. In those 4 years we are at the point where Moggi has gone 3 for 3 clearing his name in those cases Dominic mentioned, now he has to fight the idea that it was 'his structure' that ruled calcio, remember you don't need evidence to prove something in Italian law, just a general concensus. Taking into account what we have found out since 2006, this one man was above all these men with so much power and influence. Amazing. If Berlusconi is actually the 'capo di tutti capi' then I guess that makes Moggi God.
     

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