Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (45 Viewers)

[Hist]

not even massimo's himself could foresee this. farsopoli killed us completely. no sign of Juventus since 2006.

Yes but the current incompetency of the team has nothing to do with Inter anymore.

 

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[edgardavids2608]

I agree and disagree...We were old then and would have had to revamp the squad anyway. Dont be to quick to say the financial loss was huge because it was but this year it is more of lack of performance than anything else. The weakness is our defense and the fact that we play shit soccer. Not boring because I like the boring soccer under Capello because we got results but lack of basic passing and skills that you need to do well in Europe.

 

[Alen]

Giraudo handed jail term Monday 14 December, 2009

Antonio Giraudo, the Juventus chief executive from July 1994 to May 2006, has been sentenced to a three-year jail term by the Calciopoli trial in Naples.

Eduardo De Gregorio, the trial's chief prosecutor, found Giraudo guilty of conspiracy to commit a crime for his part in the 2006 Calciopoli scandal which resulted in Juventus being relegated to Serie B.

The trial's original prosecutors Giuseppe Narducci and Filippo Beatrice initially asked for Giraudo to receive a five-year sentence.

Giraudo wasn't the only one to be sentenced. Former referee Tiziano Pieri has been condemned to two years and four months plus a €22,000 fine.

The former President of the Italian Linesman Association Tulio Lanese was also given a two-year jail term along with Paolo Dondarini, another referee.

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So why will the guy go to jail? The article doesn't mention what he did in order to get a jail sentence, but unless they had strong evidence against him, I doubt they could send the guy in jail

 

[Salvo]

sporting fraud or some crap no?

 

[Martin]

So why will the guy go to jail? The article doesn't mention what he did in order to get a jail sentence, but unless they had strong evidence against him, I doubt they could send the guy in jail

I know, this is the most infuriating thing. I read this on gazzetta earlier and there was no mention of what he actually did, just his sentence.

 

[Alen]

I know, this is the most infuriating thing. I read this on gazzetta earlier and there was no mention of what he actually did, just his sentence.

You know, I may be wrong, and I hope i'm wrong, but could this be the case:

People, especially us Juve fans, say how we were demoted without evidence. Now we will say how the guy was sent to jail without strong evidence against him.
But could there be a deal where they agreed not to show the evidence to the public in order to at least protect Juve in some way?

What I want to say is this: There is really strong evidence about what we were doing and that evidence is enough to send Juve to serie C and to convict guys like Giraudo and sentence them to 10 year jail or even more.
So a deal is made......Juve won't object too much so it won't take years and millions until we're sentenced, we'll accept the demotion, Giraudo will accept a 3 year jail while in return we want nothing about our wrongdoings to be shown publicly and the sentences to be reduced from serie C to serie B or from 10 years jail to 3 years jail etc.

Is something like this possible at all in an EU country?

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

The former President of the Italian Linesman Association Tulio Lanese was also given a two-year jail term along with Paolo Dondarini, another referee.

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So why will the guy go to jail? The article doesn't mention what he did in order to get a jail sentence, but unless they had strong evidence against him, I doubt they could send the guy in jail

court of appeal will cancel this nonsense, i think.

Dondarini name sounds familiar. if i remember correctly, he massacred us in a serie a game in 2007/2008. I wonder what was his and Tulio MILANese's crime?

 

[Martin]

You know, I may be wrong, and I hope i'm wrong, but could this be the case:

People, especially us Juve fans, say how we were demoted without evidence. Now we will say how the guy was sent to jail without strong evidence against him.
But could there be a deal where they agreed not to show the evidence to the public in order to at least protect Juve in some way?

What I want to say is this: There is really strong evidence about what we were doing and that evidence is enough to send Juve to serie C and to convict guys like Giraudo and sentence them to 10 year jail or even more.
So a deal is made......Juve won't object too much so it won't take years and millions until we're sentenced, we'll accept the demotion, Giraudo will accept a 3 year jail while in return we want nothing about our wrongdoings to be shown publicly and the sentences to be reduced from serie C to serie B or from 10 years jail to 3 years jail etc.

Is something like this possible at all in an EU country?

First of all I have to underline that my legal expertise is from television

But having said that what you say makes no sense. You can't convict someone and hold the charge secret. That's not how it works. If it's true what you suggest that they made some kind of deal then - in theory - the deal was to reach some arrangement over some of the charges, this would not be public. But for the charges that actually got him sent to jail, no I don't think you can refuse to divulge that.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

You know, I may be wrong, and I hope i'm wrong, but could this be the case:

People, especially us Juve fans, say how we were demoted without evidence. Now we will say how the guy was sent to jail without strong evidence against him.
But could there be a deal where they agreed not to show the evidence to the public in order to at least protect Juve in some way?

What I want to say is this: There is really strong evidence about what we were doing and that evidence is enough to send Juve to serie C and to convict guys like Giraudo and sentence them to 10 year jail or even more.
So a deal is made......Juve won't object too much so it won't take years and millions until we're sentenced, we'll accept the demotion, Giraudo will accept a 3 year jail while in return we want nothing about our wrongdoings to be shown publicly and the sentences to be reduced from serie C to serie B or from 10 years jail to 3 years jail etc.

Is something like this possible at all in an EU country?

if there was a strong evidence they would announce it with megaphone.

 

[Stephan]

Is something like this possible at all in an EU country?

Its Italy in the end, corruption is everywhere.

 

[Alen]

First of all I have to underline that my legal expertise is from television

But having said that what you say makes no sense. You can't convict someone and hold the charge secret. That's not how it works. If it's true what you suggest that they made some kind of deal then - in theory - the deal was to reach some arrangement over some of the charges, this would not be public. But for the charges that actually got him sent to jail, no I don't think you can refused to divulge that.

They're not really hiding the charges. It's said that he's found guilty "of conspiracy to commit a crime for his part in the 2006 Calciopoli scandal". A lot has been said about his role there during these years so it's not like they're hiding everything.

But what we, the public, got was some very poor evidence. We were told that he did this and that, but we were never given the materials or phone calls that prove how he did it. We were left wondering what exactly did he do, how exactly did he make the referees whistle in our favor etc etc etc.

In court, in order to sentence him, they surely showed the evidence. But they never showed it to the public.

 

[Salvo]

all it says is sports fraud? how can someone go to jail for that?

money involved? i dont get it....

 

[soulslider]

You know, I may be wrong, and I hope i'm wrong, but could this be the case:

People, especially us Juve fans, say how we were demoted without evidence. Now we will say how the guy was sent to jail without strong evidence against him.
But could there be a deal where they agreed not to show the evidence to the public in order to at least protect Juve in some way?

What I want to say is this: There is really strong evidence about what we were doing and that evidence is enough to send Juve to serie C and to convict guys like Giraudo and sentence them to 10 year jail or even more.
So a deal is made......Juve won't object too much so it won't take years and millions until we're sentenced, we'll accept the demotion, Giraudo will accept a 3 year jail while in return we want nothing about our wrongdoings to be shown publicly and the sentences to be reduced from serie C to serie B or from 10 years jail to 3 years jail etc.

Is something like this possible at all in an EU country?

but why would they agree to such a deal if they have so strong evidence against us ? if they have all they need to punish us as severely as possible , why would they agree to any kind of deal.

 

[Martin]

They're not really hiding the charges. It's said that he's found guilty "of conspiracy to commit a crime for his part in the 2006 Calciopoli scandal". A lot has been said about his role there during these years so it's not like they're hiding everything.

But what we, the public, got was some very poor evidence. We were told that he did this and that, but we were never given the materials or phone calls that prove how he did it. We were left wondering what exactly did he do, how exactly did he make the referees whistle in our favor etc etc etc.

In court, in order to sentence him, they surely showed the evidence. But they never showed it to the public.

Well, this might be the title, but wouldn't they be obligated to say what he actually did? Can you convict someone of murder and refuse to tell people whom he killed, when, where, in what way?

 

[Mohad]

I’m starting to think that these courts initially sentence people just to promote appeals and keep themselves employed during the economic crisis. Anyway, Moggi has been winning all his appeals. Now Giraudo will have to do the same.

 

[Alen]

but why would they agree to such a deal if they have so strong evidence against us ? if they have all they need to punish us as severely as possible , why would they agree to any kind of deal.

Maybe because it would have taken years and years until everything was done in the right way.
As it was, the trials took less than a month and we were relegated. I mean, no legal system will allow that.
And remember that our directors actually accepted the relegation, saying that we were gonna be sent to serie C and we made a compromise.
Our own directors said that.

So I wonder why did they accept the relegation so easily? Why did all our previous directors give their resignations so easily?

That's why I mentioned the possibility of them knowing much more than we do and how a deal has been struck between them and us: "Don't make this harder, don't prolong this, because if not now, in 2-3 years you'll be sent to serie C and all of you will end up in jail. We're giving you the possibility of serie B and lower jail sentences, but you mustn't object at the sentence and you must accept the relegation right now".

If the trials took 2-3 years maybe something would have changed and the prosecutors risked losing millions and not achieving anything at all. We on the other hand risked losing millions and millions and then, after 2-3 years still be relegated to serie C and all our directors getting a 10 year jail sentence.

It's just a suggestion, because I really don't understand Calciopoli and what was/is happening there.

 

[Mark]

I'm not a lawyer but Giraudo called for the "rito abbreviato" so I'm not sure if it's a abbreviated process or whatever it is. The decision(which can be appealed from what I read) was for sporting fraud and involvement in a criminal association. He got 3 years instead of 5. They could reduce it or cancel it but I'm not sure. They haven't published the reasons for this decision yet.

One thing is sure is that if it's stays that way then we can predict the result for the full case in Naples although I've read they don't necessarily go together since new evidence/proof can show up.

So far it was going good for Juve and the fans who wanted the 2 scudetti back with 99% of the refs being innocent, ref designation system being clean, etc...but this one is a blow if the sentence stays like this.

 

[Martin]

It's just a suggestion, because I really don't understand Calciopoli and what was/is happening there.

I know, I wonder if I ever will

 

[Alen]

Well, this might be the title, but wouldn't they be obligated to say what he actually did? Can you convict someone of murder and refuse to tell people whom he killed, when, where, in what way?

I don't remember what was it, but I do remember that a lot about his role has been made public during these 2-3 years.

But was it all there was about him or only enough to justify his 3 year jail sentence?

 

[Martin]

I don't remember what was it, but I do remember that a lot about his role has been made public during these 2-3 years.

But was it all there was about him or only enough to justify his 3 year jail sentence?

I don't remember hearing much about Giraudo tbh. It was always Moggi who was being talked about.

It would be kinda funny if at the end of it all Moggi was cleared