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[Bozi]

Let me remind you that we got Zlatan and Cannavaro. At the moment Zlatan was one of Europe's biggest talents and Cannavaro was a masterpiece in defence.
What has this board done? Bought Amauri for an idiotic high price at the age of 28. Next to that we got Mellberg/Knezenic.

Zlatan / Amauri
Cannavaro / Mellberg

Your call

zlatan was a risk, whether you want to believe it or not. as a forward plying your trade in the eredivisie you need a big move to prove you are top-notch and not a big fish in a small pond. this is the main reason huntelaar is still in ajax. zlatan was no different, there was no doubting his potential but he was already arrogant and a possible expensive risk.

cannavaro on the other hand was nothing like the player of his early days, when we got him most folk would have been mistaken for thinking we bought him as cover as for the whole time he was at inter he was a MASSIVE FLOP,no genius defender a flop! the fact of the matter is that he received encouragement and a boost to his confidence playing ina very good juve team and he regained the form that had seen him one of europes top defenders. he then surpassed his early form and played the best football of his career at juve,only then he was viewed (rightly) as a world class defender of legendary status. and to think we swapped an assclown goalie for him

Moggi's mercato tactics were always spot on,but remember we were one of the worlds richest clubs and attractic players was a lot easier than it is now. add to that the fact that england has went crazy money-wise,the declining reputation of serie a and that we are still viewed as guilty by a large potrion of the football world and you can see that the days of signing top-drawer palyers are gone for the time being!

 

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[cunninlynguists]

zlatan was a risk, whether you want to believe it or not. as a forward plying your trade in the eredivisie you need a big move to prove you are top-notch and not a big fish in a small pond. this is the main reason huntelaar is still in ajax. zlatan was no different, there was no doubting his potential but he was already arrogant and a possible expensive risk.

cannavaro on the other hand was nothing like the player of his early days, when we got him most folk would have been mistaken for thinking we bought him as cover as for the whole time he was at inter he was a MASSIVE FLOP,no genius defender a flop! the fact of the matter is that he received encouragement and a boost to his confidence playing ina very good juve team and he regained the form that had seen him one of europes top defenders. he then surpassed his early form and played the best football of his career at juve,only then he was viewed (rightly) as a world class defender of legendary status. and to think we swapped an assclown goalie for him

Moggi's mercato tactics were always spot on,but remember we were one of the worlds richest clubs and attractic players was a lot easier than it is now. add to that the fact that england has went crazy money-wise,the declining reputation of serie a and that we are still viewed as guilty by a large potrion of the football world and you can see that the days of signing top-drawer palyers are gone for the time being!

He was a massive flop because he was injured constantly. Next to that Inter was a flop club, everybody flopped there

 

[Zulfi]

zlatan was a risk, whether you want to believe it or not. as a forward plying your trade in the eredivisie you need a big move to prove you are top-notch and not a big fish in a small pond. this is the main reason huntelaar is still in ajax. zlatan was no different, there was no doubting his potential but he was already arrogant and a possible expensive risk.

cannavaro on the other hand was nothing like the player of his early days, when we got him most folk would have been mistaken for thinking we bought him as cover as for the whole time he was at inter he was a MASSIVE FLOP,no genius defender a flop! the fact of the matter is that he received encouragement and a boost to his confidence playing ina very good juve team and he regained the form that had seen him one of europes top defenders. he then surpassed his early form and played the best football of his career at juve,only then he was viewed (rightly) as a world class defender of legendary status. and to think we swapped an assclown goalie for him

Moggi's mercato tactics were always spot on,but remember we were one of the worlds richest clubs and attractic players was a lot easier than it is now. add to that the fact that england has went crazy money-wise,the declining reputation of serie a and that we are still viewed as guilty by a large potrion of the football world and you can see that the days of signing top-drawer palyers are gone for the time being!

Good Post. Many forget that Cannavaro was basically a flop at Inter but that being said, Moggi had his connections and was able to buy or sell any player he set his mind on. Lets just say that Moggi had a persuasive way about him , a la Cannavaro, Kovac, Mutu, Selling Miccoli and amaruo. For example, this whole Tiago fiasco would never happen under Moggi, he would have just told you eithier leave or get a futbal up ur ass.

Lets be blunt know, Moggi was above the rules and he played his way. Thats why he was always able to make the best deals. In support of this, all u need to do is read the testiments of former Juve players or Baldini(Fabio's assistant) to see what kind of web Moggi weaved.

 

[Ahmed]

yes that "web" also got Juve disgraced and relegated to Serie B

 

[Vinman]

Moggi slams Juve market Wednesday 8 October, 2008

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Disgraced former Juventus transfer guru Luciano Moggi has blasted the Old Lady's summer signings.

The Old Lady are struggling after draws with Catania, Sampdoria and BATE Borisov and a defeat against Palermo.

Director Jean-Claude Blanc has admitted that Juve need to return to the market in January and Moggi believes that is an admission that the men who replaced him have failed.

“The team will surely have a good championship given the current limits on their potential,” Moggi told Libero.

“They needed to keep hold of Adrian Mutu and not to sign Amauri, who wouldn't have been needed.

“They would have saved lots of money like that, which could have been invested in signing a good defender and especially a midfielder who can control the pace to prevent Mauro Camoranesi from having to play out of position.

“Had they done that they would have had a more competitive squad, but instead they are dealing with the results of a strange market.”

Werder Bremen midfielder Diego, Bayern Munich's Bastian Schweinsteiger and Lazio's Cristian Ledesma are possible targets for the future.

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Moggi is spot on !!!

BRING HIM BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!:bigscarf:

 

[Cronios]

Bozi, you are missing one important thingy though, Canna and Zlatan, really had the potential to become world class status and even back then, the Agnelli familry were not supporting the club financially.

Only Moggi's positive transfer incomes and the negociating of contracts created the necessary funds to realize these transfers.
The modern management only managed to released for nothing half of the players we owned and the players we brought have no potential.
With the same resources, we could have bought some better players/prospects.
And it was only by our very own choice, we didnt...

 

[Kosta]

Moggi is spot on !!!

BRING HIM BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!:bigscarf:

Ay Ay Captain!

 

[Bozi]

Bozi, you are missing one important thingy though, Canna and Zlatan, really had the potential to become world class status and even back then, the Agnelli familry were not supporting the club financially.

Only Moggi's positive transfer incomes and the negociating of contracts created the necessary funds to realize these transfers.
The modern management only managed to released for nothing half of the players we owned and the players we brought have no potential.
With the same resources, we could have bought some better players/prospects.
And it was only by our very own choice, we didnt...

oh i know but so do Chiellini and Giovinco

trust me mate i loved Moggi,his dealing was legendary but folk here are spouting shite of the highest order when they piss over Amauri and his "old man" status because he was 28 when we signed him, i must ask those folk, how old were Vieira,Emerson,cannavaro,to name just 3 when we signed them? age has nothing to do with it,class is what counts and trust me every club in serie a will be envious that we got him. fair enough the rest of our campaign was underwhelming and the board are without a doubt the most under-motivated Juventus board since...well...the board before La Triade arrived,
BUT we are working in a very different environment than we were only 3 years ago,the sooner folk realize this and stop mourning for a man who is not allowed anywhere near a football team for a quite a while yet the better we will all be

still,it will be nice when,after a couple of years of struggle,we separate the wheat from the chaff and all the glory hunters FUCK OFF and support someone else because they are so disgusted that we are not the top dogs at the moment

 

[cunninlynguists]

oh i know but so do Chiellini and Giovinco

trust me mate i loved Moggi,his dealing was legendary but folk here are spouting shite of the highest order when they piss over Amauri and his "old man" status because he was 28 when we signed him, i must ask those folk, how old were Vieira,Emerson,cannavaro,to name just 3 when we signed them? age has nothing to do with it,class is what counts and trust me every club in serie a will be envious that we got him. fair enough the rest of our campaign was underwhelming and the board are without a doubt the most under-motivated Juventus board since...well...the board before La Triade arrived,
BUT we are working in a very different environment than we were only 3 years ago,the sooner folk realize this and stop mourning for a man who is not allowed anywhere near a football team for a quite a while yet the better we will all be

still,it will be nice when,after a couple of years of struggle,we separate the wheat from the chaff and all the glory hunters FUCK OFF and support someone else because they are so disgusted that we are not the top dogs at the moment

Amauri : Napoli, Piacenza, Messina, Chievo, Palermo
Vieira : Arsenal (most of his days)
Emerson : AS Roma, Bayern Leverkusen, Gremio
Cannavaro : Inter, Parma, Napoli (dont get fooled, it was Parma with Buffon and Thuram)

Amauri is good, but Amauri is not class. Vieira, Emerson and Cannavaro were all playing close to their potential. Back in the days we bought CLASS players, now we buy someone that is a rookie at international stage and even a rookie in playing for a well-respected club for a huge amount of money.

 

[only-juve]

Amauri : Napoli, Piacenza, Messina, Chievo, Palermo
Vieira : Arsenal (most of his days)
Emerson : AS Roma, Bayern Leverkusen, Gremio
Cannavaro : Inter, Parma, Napoli (dont get fooled, it was Parma with Buffon and Thuram)

Amauri is good, but Amauri is not class. Vieira, Emerson and Cannavaro were all playing close to their potential. Back in the days we bought CLASS players, now we buy someone that is a rookie at international stage and even a rookie in playing for a well-respected club for a huge amount of money.

I'll add a point that many people seems to forget here. When we've brought nedved, cana, vieria we had a quality team that was allready strong and competitive both in italy and europe. So we needed to add that "extra" quality and experience to the team that would give us that push in both competitions.

But the situation now is totally different. We're trying to build a new team with new blood. Paying 22 mil euros (with the limited sources that we have in the club) on a 28 year old attacker "amauri" is really a strange move. I mean think about it guys, in 4-5 years most likely both del piero and trezeguet will retire and both amauri and iaquinta will be 33 year olds. What will happen then ?!! Are we going to buy 4 new set of attackers and what about the other positions that are pretty weak and need to be strengthen !

IMO the trio don't have a clear plan for the team. All this talk about long term project is BS with all do respect.

 

[cunninlynguists]

I'll add a point that many people seems to forget here. When we've brought nedved, cana, vieria we had a quality team that was allready strong and competitive both in italy and europe. So we needed to add that "extra" quality and experience to the team that would give us that push in both competitions.

But the situation now is totally different. We're trying to build a new team with new blood. Paying 22 mil euros (with the limited sources that we have in the club) on a 28 year old attacker "amauri" is really a strange move. I mean think about it guys, in 4-5 years most likely both del piero and trezeguet will retire and both amauri and iaquinta will be 33 year olds. What will happen then ?!! Are we going to buy 4 new set of attackers and what about the other positions that are pretty weak and need to be strengthen !

IMO the trio don't have a clear plan for the team. All this talk about long term project is BS with all do respect.

Long-term my ass.
Let me point out what their plan is and what they've done. They wanted to build a competitive squad for the Serie A and CL. We needed a great defender and a creative midfielder. They knew that. But what did we get? Mellberg, Knezevic and Poulsen.
They are constantly talking about this so called ''long-term'' project, Mellberg is 31, Knezevic is 26 and Poulsen is 28. I guess we bought Andrade when he was 29, add to that Amauri who is also 28 and nobody in the whole world sees a ''long''-term project. It's obvious that these players will lose their prime within 5 years so our boardmembers are bigtime hypocrites.
Giovinco, Marchisio and De Ceglie are the only ''long-term'' players we got extra who will eventually enjoy their best football within 5 years.
I do understand that we can't field an entire squad that is barely 22, but those players we bought as I mentioned above is just bullshit if you're talking about something as a ''long-term'' project

 

[Bozi]

Amauri : Napoli, Piacenza, Messina, Chievo, Palermo
Vieira : Arsenal (most of his days)
Emerson : AS Roma, Bayern Leverkusen, Gremio
Cannavaro : Inter, Parma, Napoli (dont get fooled, it was Parma with Buffon and Thuram)

Amauri is good, but Amauri is not class. Vieira, Emerson and Cannavaro were all playing close to their potential. Back in the days we bought CLASS players, now we buy someone that is a rookie at international stage and even a rookie in playing for a well-respected club for a huge amount of money.

half the people here thought emerson was shite(personally,i was a huge fan) vieira hardly set the heather alight during his short spell with us, canna was considered past his best(luckily for us his best was yet to come).

however even bck then it was not entirely common for Juvenus to go and splash large amounts of cash on a player from another country, we almost always bought serie-a proven players (like amauri) when we did take a chance on a player from outwith serie a it was usually a younger palyer who was then loaned out to another serie a club with a view to monitoring their progress. if theyw ere succesful we re-called them, if not we did what we always did and bargained to get another player we wanted.

don't get me wrong i am by no way ever gonna defend teh assclowns in charge of our team now but folk need to get their moggi-tnted glasses off and look at the reality of our current situation. moggi is not coming back, and if he did we would be hit hard as he is BANNED FROM FOOTBALL.
personally i cannot believe the shit folk are talking about amauri though, he is a class footballer and i hope at the end of the season he has done what Iaquinta and make the doubters eat their words

 

[Azzurri7]

Moggi is spot on !!!

BRING HIM BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!:bigscarf:

I don't agree with his Mutu-Amauri thing. Amauri is 10x the player Mutu is.

 

[HelterSkelter]

Rab you're confusing Multiplication and Division.

 

[Cronios]

If we were holding Mutu, someone who accepted a lower salary and serie B, as a back up to DP and Treze, among with the help of Zala, or Palla Or even Lanza.
There we be no need to invest 40+mil on Iaquinta and Amauri, we could use that money to buy a couple of potentially world class players in places we suffer.
Two more Sissoko's and two more quality players, instead of Tiago and Almiron and the low budget defenders, would make them 4.
With 3-4 great quality players in defense and midfield, we would be really competitive...

 

[Osman]

I don't agree with his Mutu-Amauri thing. Amauri is 10x the player Mutu is.

I didnt notice you being bitten by one of the many zombies here, because you suddenly sound like just as braindead as them.

 

[v1rtu4l]

Long-term my ass.
Let me point out what their plan is and what they've done. They wanted to build a competitive squad for the Serie A and CL. We needed a great defender and a creative midfielder. They knew that. But what did we get? Mellberg, Knezevic and Poulsen.
They are constantly talking about this so called ''long-term'' project, Mellberg is 31, Knezevic is 26 and Poulsen is 28. I guess we bought Andrade when he was 29, add to that Amauri who is also 28 and nobody in the whole world sees a ''long''-term project. It's obvious that these players will lose their prime within 5 years so our boardmembers are bigtime hypocrites.
Giovinco, Marchisio and De Ceglie are the only ''long-term'' players we got extra who will eventually enjoy their best football within 5 years.
I do understand that we can't field an entire squad that is barely 22, but those players we bought as I mentioned above is just bullshit if you're talking about something as a ''long-term'' project

you need to try to see this from another perspective ...

with the same money we could have got perhaps 2 star players (if you want to act as if this was FM because the motivation to join us is not that big for star players) ... if it was for you we would have got zapata (your favourite defender) and alonso (everyones fave midfielder)...

now imagine us with the same amount of injuries we have right now (there is a high possibility that one of the new players would be injured too) we would look even worse than now and would even have it hard to qualify for the international competitions and in the worst case without international football we would have even less money, because no CL, no UEFA cup and fewer fans (less glory-hunters). would that be a better long term project ?

i do not think so ...

even if i do not agree the necessarity of all our transfers, it is clear to see that the board tried to fortify the position in the league we had at the end of the last season ... you can not rely on the superb form alex and trez showed last season so it would have been a big gample to think that we would stay on that level without strengthening the depth and adding a few stars would be all it needs to step up a notch ...

in fact with strengthening our depth it is more likely that we will regain internation football next season and thus earn more money on the long run... and this money can then again be invested in new players ...

boys boys boys ... your "i have XX m € and buy 2 or 3 star players"-tactic would not even work in fm...

you always forget that the greedy bastards today don't give a fuck about juve and join a second division english club when they offer enough money ...

and your fantasy defenders we would have bought (like zapata and so on) did not even once mention a word about juve ... i guess you all live in the past too much

 

[Cronios]

Here we go again, Tiago, Almiron, Mellberg, Stendardo, Knezevic, Poulsen didnt do any difference, we made it to the CL because of our old guard and even youngsters like Molinaro, Nocerino, Criscito, Palla and now Marchisio, DC and Giovinco, where enough to get us here.
And hey are enough to fill up the roster, instead of some other mediocre players we have been signing.
We could buy more of those 2 years ago, to help us grow up, but now, things have changed now, we are supposed to build a competitive team for the future now!

What we need now, is,
players able to make the difference, when our champions cant!
What we need now, is to upgrade the quality of our team!
Esp our starter eleven,
we can always easily have squad players, using the ones Moggi provided!
Youngsters and co/owned players for depth and the eventual injury crisis.
Those fellows we got not, cant even help us at optimum conditions, let alone injury crisis periods. They cant make a difference, they cant be a priority, our priority is to build up a strong team first a team that would last and become the backbone of the future, competitive Juve.
We are wasting money to enhance our subs and we forgot the fact, than when we were champions, we were not because of our subs, but bcause of our first eleven.
Inter for ex has always had better subs and they were always third, because their first eleven were not strong enough to impose themselves like we did!

If man City can get Robinho, we can surely get Zapata,
if Fiorentina can get Vargas, we can surely have Hamsik.
The point is, that have the necessary resources now and we still have a lot of prestige left in us to attract those players, at least as long as we have players like Buffon, Trezequet, Neddy, Cammo and DP
Ronalinho and Etoo could reject us, but not promising and talented players like Chiellini, Zapata and Hamsik and esp not if their team has less chances in the big scene than us!
We only need to set our priorities right, make a plan ad respect it!

Unfortunately, we have nothing like that!

 

[Azzurri7]

If we were holding Mutu, someone who accepted a lower salary and serie B, as a back up to DP and Treze, among with the help of Zala, or Palla Or even Lanza.
There we be no need to invest 40+mil on Iaquinta and Amauri, we could use that money to buy a couple of potentially world class players in places we suffer.
Two more Sissoko's and two more quality players, instead of Tiago and Almiron and the low budget defenders, would make them 4.
With 3-4 great quality players in defense and midfield, we would be really competitive...

Mutu was having and still having a problem with Fiorentina requesting very high wage. I don't think he would have accepted a lower salary. For Serie B, I remember he had an interview here in Romania saying that there was no way he was going to play in Serie B when Prandelli requested. Prandelli is the only coach he would follow according to him.

I didnt notice you being bitten by one of the many zombies here, because you suddenly sound like just as braindead as them.

I've been ignoring you for the past couple of days now. What's your problem here? Because I don't remember stepping on your tail and asking you to quote me. So kindly, soap it.

 

[Osman]

Hahaha! I was given you a backhanded compliment


And yeah, simply point, utterly retarded to say Mutu (top 3 best player in the league for a while) is ten times worse then Amauri who is just a good player, nothing more.