That's why the trial shouldn't happen in a sports tribunal. It sould be done directly in civil court
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kind and gentle Denco (like that Bozi?),
"In the past Juventus and Milan used to get decisions on a regular basis, from offsides to goals disallowed etc every game."
The difference is that there was a balance (by the way no ref received a phone card from Moggi).
I never said Nakata was the only illegal extracomunitario, I said he was signed when Roma already had the max allowable.
Here's a challenge, since you never have to post proof but are quick to question it. Prove to me that Nakata was legit prior to the changing of that law. Good luck,
"In the past Juventus and Milan used to get decisions on a regular basis, from offsides to goals disallowed etc every game."
The difference is that there was a balance (by the way no ref received a phone card from Moggi).
I never said Nakata was the only illegal extracomunitario, I said he was signed when Roma already had the max allowable.
Here's a challenge, since you never have to post proof but are quick to question it. Prove to me that Nakata was legit prior to the changing of that law. Good luck,
This would be lazio side that won scudetto in 2000 (appearnaces in brackets)
Marchegiani (28), Ballotta (9); Nesta (28), Pancaro (28), Miahjlovic (26), Negro (26), Favalli (18), Couto (14), Gottardi (5); Veron (31), Conceicao (30), Nedved (28), Simeone (28), Sensini (23), Almeyda (19), Stankovic (16), Lombardo A. (10); Salas (28), Inzaghi II (22), Mancini R. (20), Boksic (19), Ravanelli (16), Andersson K. (2). Coach: Sven Goran Eriksson
Mihajlovic, veron, nedved, stankovic, almeyda, salas boksic are definitely foreign
I dont think sensini and Simeone could be construed as foreign but i could be wrong
1 year later
Roma
Antonioli (26), Lupatelli (8); Aldair (15), Cafu (31), Candela (33), Mangone (11), Rinaldi (9), Samuel (31), Zago (28), Zebina (22); Assuncao (26), Di Francesco (5), Emerson (13), Guigou (15), Nakata (15), Tommasi (34), Zanetti (27); Balbo (2), Batistuta (28), D'Agostino (1), Delvecchio (31), Montella (28), Totti (30). Coach: Fabio Capello
Samuel, Zago, Guigou, Assuncao nakata and Emerson are definitely foreign
Lazio have 7 definites abd Roma have 6 definites but Juventus fans would rather focus on the Perugia game to argue their point as to how we were robbed of a scudetto.
Nakata played 15 times most of that coming on as a sub same as guigou.
You can see that the def foreigners zago, samuel and assuncao played a lot of games and they are allowed to do that.
Emerson was injured for most of it
Marchegiani (28), Ballotta (9); Nesta (28), Pancaro (28), Miahjlovic (26), Negro (26), Favalli (18), Couto (14), Gottardi (5); Veron (31), Conceicao (30), Nedved (28), Simeone (28), Sensini (23), Almeyda (19), Stankovic (16), Lombardo A. (10); Salas (28), Inzaghi II (22), Mancini R. (20), Boksic (19), Ravanelli (16), Andersson K. (2). Coach: Sven Goran Eriksson
Mihajlovic, veron, nedved, stankovic, almeyda, salas boksic are definitely foreign
I dont think sensini and Simeone could be construed as foreign but i could be wrong
1 year later
Roma
Antonioli (26), Lupatelli (8); Aldair (15), Cafu (31), Candela (33), Mangone (11), Rinaldi (9), Samuel (31), Zago (28), Zebina (22); Assuncao (26), Di Francesco (5), Emerson (13), Guigou (15), Nakata (15), Tommasi (34), Zanetti (27); Balbo (2), Batistuta (28), D'Agostino (1), Delvecchio (31), Montella (28), Totti (30). Coach: Fabio Capello
Samuel, Zago, Guigou, Assuncao nakata and Emerson are definitely foreign
Lazio have 7 definites abd Roma have 6 definites but Juventus fans would rather focus on the Perugia game to argue their point as to how we were robbed of a scudetto.
Nakata played 15 times most of that coming on as a sub same as guigou.
You can see that the def foreigners zago, samuel and assuncao played a lot of games and they are allowed to do that.
Emerson was injured for most of it
But they are. Everyone is saying they are being favoured just as everyone was saying we were being favoured.
The difference is all the nonsene that came to light whether they are true or not is immaterial. the fact is they came out.
We never called cheats then just people used to say we were being favored.
These are 2 different things and should not be classed as the same thing.
There has always been suspicions thrown on the Italian game and other leagues in Europe so whenever a team gets the same kinda favouritism that Manchester United get it is viewed as cheating and that is a very strong word.
You watch Italian football shows and they focus more on the controversy than they do on the actual football, spending hours analysing every single decisions for and against.
I would never have said that we were cheats until all the stories started appearing and I cannot start to say its others that set us up when things did not add up in the past.
I have stated before if in the future it comes to light that Inter are doing what we are accused of, then I would call them cheats but until then then they are just getting the favourable decisions cos they are the top dogs.
Are they preventing Milan from winning at home? Are they preventing Roma from mounting a more serious challenge?
Is it because of Inter we have dropped points against Sampdoria, Udinese, Cagliari, catania and others?
Do they have the strongest squad in the land?
This must have been how Inter forum must have been like all those years ago
The difference is all the nonsene that came to light whether they are true or not is immaterial. the fact is they came out.
We never called cheats then just people used to say we were being favored.
These are 2 different things and should not be classed as the same thing.
There has always been suspicions thrown on the Italian game and other leagues in Europe so whenever a team gets the same kinda favouritism that Manchester United get it is viewed as cheating and that is a very strong word.
You watch Italian football shows and they focus more on the controversy than they do on the actual football, spending hours analysing every single decisions for and against.
I would never have said that we were cheats until all the stories started appearing and I cannot start to say its others that set us up when things did not add up in the past.
I have stated before if in the future it comes to light that Inter are doing what we are accused of, then I would call them cheats but until then then they are just getting the favourable decisions cos they are the top dogs.
Are they preventing Milan from winning at home? Are they preventing Roma from mounting a more serious challenge?
Is it because of Inter we have dropped points against Sampdoria, Udinese, Cagliari, catania and others?
Do they have the strongest squad in the land?
This must have been how Inter forum must have been like all those years ago
Denco I don't know what you are getting at but the reason the Peruggia game is always mentioned is because Collina (a known Laziale) helped give them the title. Regarding everything else you wrote about rosters...I don't know what you want to tell me.
You listed a bunch of player’s names and appearances. You didn't put civil status, nor did you cite the rule that was modified as I showed in the repubblica article.
Case and point, and I hope you can move on after this; Nakata (sub, starter, whatever) exceeded the already maxed out number of permitted "extracomunitari". He was fielded however often anyway and was only made legitimate in the final month of the season (more or less).The reason he was singled out was not because he scored on Juve (though that adds insult to injury) but because of chronology. His signing was the one that exceeded the limit.
You listed a bunch of player’s names and appearances. You didn't put civil status, nor did you cite the rule that was modified as I showed in the repubblica article.
Case and point, and I hope you can move on after this; Nakata (sub, starter, whatever) exceeded the already maxed out number of permitted "extracomunitari". He was fielded however often anyway and was only made legitimate in the final month of the season (more or less).The reason he was singled out was not because he scored on Juve (though that adds insult to injury) but because of chronology. His signing was the one that exceeded the limit.
“ I think that it is the best country in the world, but it’s not easy to be Italian abroad these days because Italy is indefensible and I won’t even try."
- Gianluca Zambrotta
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/feb28h.html
- Gianluca Zambrotta
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/feb28h.html
Gsol, you imply nothing has been proven?
Yet isn't the investigation still ongoing?
The evidence hasn't been given to the public. We don't know yet what the evidence is because the trial is not over yet and the 2 magistrates (beatrice and narducci) will keep the evidence secret until the end of the 2nd phase of the trial (according to the italian laws.... well, actually according to every criminal law code in europe).
We weren't able to know what the evidence is because when the "sport trial" ended 2 years ago, the criminal trial hadn't even began and the napoli magistrates told the "sport magistrates" not to reveal the incriminating infos (and the tapes).
those tapes we heard about are probably nothing, compared to what the napoli magistrates discovered.... we just have to wait, and we'll know.
Yet isn't the investigation still ongoing?
The evidence hasn't been given to the public. We don't know yet what the evidence is because the trial is not over yet and the 2 magistrates (beatrice and narducci) will keep the evidence secret until the end of the 2nd phase of the trial (according to the italian laws.... well, actually according to every criminal law code in europe).
We weren't able to know what the evidence is because when the "sport trial" ended 2 years ago, the criminal trial hadn't even began and the napoli magistrates told the "sport magistrates" not to reveal the incriminating infos (and the tapes).
those tapes we heard about are probably nothing, compared to what the napoli magistrates discovered.... we just have to wait, and we'll know.
Zambrotta should grow up.
He doesn't understand that when the club sells a Juve hero to a big European club there are some Juventus fans that call him traitor.
But he doesn't mention any fans that supported him in his transfer-time between Juve and Barca.
Why is he constantly kicking us from the back? He needs to shut the hell up, earn his money in Barcelona and not discuss the past with stupid arguments
He doesn't understand that when the club sells a Juve hero to a big European club there are some Juventus fans that call him traitor.
But he doesn't mention any fans that supported him in his transfer-time between Juve and Barca.
Why is he constantly kicking us from the back? He needs to shut the hell up, earn his money in Barcelona and not discuss the past with stupid arguments
FIGC Tell Juve: No Bias Against You
The Italian Football Federation has replied to Juventus' open letter complaining about referees, and says that there is no bias or conspiracy against them.
Juventus wrote the open letter in the aftermath of last weekend's controversial defeat to Reggina, where two clear penalties were not awarded to them.
The Bianconeri have been on the receiving end of a number of dubious refereeing calls this season, with the game against Napoli last October the most notorious.
Last month the Gazzetta dello Sport printed a revised league table of where all the teams would be if no errors had been made by officials, and Juventus were placed top of the league.
The FIGC have responded to Juventus' complaints that they are being penalised as a follow-on from the Calciopoli crisis in 2006.
“The bitterness on the behalf of the directors, Coaches and players of Juventus is understandable, as is the case with other sides during the course of the season,” the FIGC letter reads.
“But there is no doubt over the impartiality of this championship and the referees’ preparations.
“We are sure that Juventus will get over the sadness of the past few days and the club’s project will prevail.”
Anthony Sormani
goal.com
The Italian Football Federation has replied to Juventus' open letter complaining about referees, and says that there is no bias or conspiracy against them.
Juventus wrote the open letter in the aftermath of last weekend's controversial defeat to Reggina, where two clear penalties were not awarded to them.
The Bianconeri have been on the receiving end of a number of dubious refereeing calls this season, with the game against Napoli last October the most notorious.
Last month the Gazzetta dello Sport printed a revised league table of where all the teams would be if no errors had been made by officials, and Juventus were placed top of the league.
The FIGC have responded to Juventus' complaints that they are being penalised as a follow-on from the Calciopoli crisis in 2006.
“The bitterness on the behalf of the directors, Coaches and players of Juventus is understandable, as is the case with other sides during the course of the season,” the FIGC letter reads.
“But there is no doubt over the impartiality of this championship and the referees’ preparations.
“We are sure that Juventus will get over the sadness of the past few days and the club’s project will prevail.”
Anthony Sormani
goal.com
That would have been entirely possible but a few things have occured that make that theory unlikely.
There are ongoing trials but they deal with the civil implications of what has already happened. In other words you are right, certain aspects of evidence will be used in both trials.
However, the wires were released, the transcripts were released, and all the new ones added (keep in mind the preliminaries and GEA hearings are going on publically in front of the press) have lent little more to what was already there.
Actually, what has been surfacing is looking to favor the triade (tampered evidence).
In the end you have to ask yourself why the judges wouldn't have just said "we found Article 6 violations but are keeping the details classified until related trials come to an end" rather than admitting "the season was legit", "there were no fixed matches", "the referee selections were legitimate"?
No?
There are ongoing trials but they deal with the civil implications of what has already happened. In other words you are right, certain aspects of evidence will be used in both trials.
However, the wires were released, the transcripts were released, and all the new ones added (keep in mind the preliminaries and GEA hearings are going on publically in front of the press) have lent little more to what was already there.
Actually, what has been surfacing is looking to favor the triade (tampered evidence).
In the end you have to ask yourself why the judges wouldn't have just said "we found Article 6 violations but are keeping the details classified until related trials come to an end" rather than admitting "the season was legit", "there were no fixed matches", "the referee selections were legitimate"?
No?