Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (49 Viewers)
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Vsnoop, you can keep arguing that we received a million favors but people that study this full time contradict you. Just because players complain, it doesn't mean they are right. Inzaghi can be a mile offside and still protest the linesmen.
In the end people asking for "proof" of what Inter are up to are missing the point.
Inter's sinister influence goes far beyond bribing a ref that in my opinion does not need bribing at all. They have a financial stranglehold on the federation and have their owner as VP of the Lega.
This team flexed all that muscle in Calciopoli and only those in utter denial choose to not accept this transparant point.
They demonstrated legal immunity time and time again from the slap on the wrist for teh Recoba incident to the altering of a law making accounting fraud accepted in soccer.
Show me a time when Juventus had and used that kind of pull.
Ya calls went their way often and the papers and TVs were all over it but things went against them directly and indirectly (favoring adversaries).
Things were more balanced...now? I wish it ws just referee decisions (which are pretty well every match day) were the only thing.
We've got Inter playing monopoly with our league and rules don't apply to them.
Just this season we saw them sign Suazo illegally, change a law, and benefit from a season that is shattering the record for referee altered games.
Want proof? Look at the business connection between several figures in the soccr world and start doing some audit trails.
In the end people asking for "proof" of what Inter are up to are missing the point.
Inter's sinister influence goes far beyond bribing a ref that in my opinion does not need bribing at all. They have a financial stranglehold on the federation and have their owner as VP of the Lega.
This team flexed all that muscle in Calciopoli and only those in utter denial choose to not accept this transparant point.
They demonstrated legal immunity time and time again from the slap on the wrist for teh Recoba incident to the altering of a law making accounting fraud accepted in soccer.
Show me a time when Juventus had and used that kind of pull.
Ya calls went their way often and the papers and TVs were all over it but things went against them directly and indirectly (favoring adversaries).
Things were more balanced...now? I wish it ws just referee decisions (which are pretty well every match day) were the only thing.
We've got Inter playing monopoly with our league and rules don't apply to them.
Just this season we saw them sign Suazo illegally, change a law, and benefit from a season that is shattering the record for referee altered games.
Want proof? Look at the business connection between several figures in the soccr world and start doing some audit trails.
How can u say this things...Juve was not guilty, that states in trial documents CF and CAF...So what are u saying? Guilty of what? We cheated whom?
Like some one said, how come thay didn't post Inter wire tapes? We all know that Facchetti cald ref co-ordinates more time than Moggi...
Why didn't Rossi allow the 100k wire tapes to be heard in court? If the tapes where so incriminating that would make the case even more solid & strong...I would broadcast on the TV the radio etc...
But they put only little pieces of the conversations in the Gazzetta dello Intersport, isn't that strange to you?
And how about that, that they changed the law on finances... now is legal to "cook" your financal books...That is just proper for Inter and Milan, don't you think?
Just open your eyes, you don't have to be a genius to see that something fishy is going on...
Moggi said it well: "if uncle Agnelli where round, that couldn't had happend to us"...He meant if Gianni where still alive, he could protect us fom that kind of bullshit...
I don't think anyone is defending the trial anymore Pingo. It was an obvious setup and even those who most want to believe in it have to ackmowledge that.
The argument now is that something has to explain all the errors that went our way.
I have my theories but at this point the discussion will go in the direcion of opinion.
The argument now is that something has to explain all the errors that went our way.
I have my theories but at this point the discussion will go in the direcion of opinion.
I don't understand all those people who say we cheated. If we were so full of guilt and so caught up in the act of fixing matches, then why did the judges have to alter the laws to relegate us based on a a different article violation of calling refs assholes and unsportsmanship like behaviour, than the article 3 or whatever (maybe Gsol can help here) where it states that buyings refs is an offense? Why change the laws to relegate them for a lesser crime if they were these big bad criminals?
Look at it this way. if a guy is set to be given prison for life, but instead of the snetence being as a result of murder or rape, he stole a loaf of bread...but everybody tells you that he is 100% the murderer and that there is proof. then why not condemn him for the murder instead of stealing?
Look at it this way. if a guy is set to be given prison for life, but instead of the snetence being as a result of murder or rape, he stole a loaf of bread...but everybody tells you that he is 100% the murderer and that there is proof. then why not condemn him for the murder instead of stealing?
I'm shocked at the level of censorship in Italy. La Stampa Online posted an article today that went into detail about Moratti and Tronhetti's hands on manipulation of the wiretaps prior to handing them to police who would then validate them and hand them to the Neapolitan prosecutors. The details came from Tavarolli's testimony to the Milan Prosecutors (Tavarolli was one of the Telecom Managers in charge of wire tapping). I found the article and read it. It's amazing that Moratti and Tronchetti's roles were so "hands on". Here we thought they were just giving orders. I can't wait until the Telecom trial goes public. Bottom line I'm worried that the Stampa is under "someone's" control. Why would they pull the article hours after posting it for no reason. It could be a bad sign. Maybe obtaining the truth will get more difficult.
Some people found the article and copied it. It is now floating around various sites.
http://groups.google.com/group/it.sport.calcio.juventus/browse_thread/thread/b6818486ed09cba4
Some people found the article and copied it. It is now floating around various sites.
http://groups.google.com/group/it.sport.calcio.juventus/browse_thread/thread/b6818486ed09cba4
Wow. Great post. You completely dismantled Gsol now. Getthefuckouttahere, do you even listen to yourself? If you were, you would know how you sound silly. So you actually think you know more about Calciopoli than him who made years of research. Ffs, you don't even know Italian, you never crossed your foot nowhere near Italy and you don't know how the system works. Please be quiet on this topic as you brought absolutely nothing to the argument and trust me, if Gsol would have a go at you, he would own you like a little baby. :crybaby:
What was I expecting anyway, you probably didn't even read one Gsol's sentence because if you had, you would know that what you posted in your 1st paragraph is pure bullshit.
What was I expecting anyway, you probably didn't even read one Gsol's sentence because if you had, you would know that what you posted in your 1st paragraph is pure bullshit.
well of course, that is teh way of the world,always has been
but to think we are completely innocent is rather naiive, we were no more guilty than any of the other big clubs but i would not go as far to say we were completely innocent
interesting point here alen.
we say that there is no way juve could have cheated since there is no evidence that any cheating took place,yet to many fans of other teams in the league were adamant for years that Juve and Moggi cheated. in the end there was no evidence to back up the theories but a scapegoat was needed and the publics distrust of juve and,in particular moggi, meant that the decision was easy for them......
now, just for arguements sake, say that inter ARE investigated and no evidence is found does that make them innocent?we ALL know that something is going on, we all know they are being massively favoured and we all know serie a is a farce right now.
so if they are investigated and no evidence of match fixing is found does taht make them completely innocent? fuck no! by ignoring Juve's role in the previous "scandal" we are ignoring avital lesson. we all love Juve, but we should not be blind to her previous discretions,its the only way we will ever ensure that we can never be accused again
but to think we are completely innocent is rather naiive, we were no more guilty than any of the other big clubs but i would not go as far to say we were completely innocent
interesting point here alen.
we say that there is no way juve could have cheated since there is no evidence that any cheating took place,yet to many fans of other teams in the league were adamant for years that Juve and Moggi cheated. in the end there was no evidence to back up the theories but a scapegoat was needed and the publics distrust of juve and,in particular moggi, meant that the decision was easy for them......
now, just for arguements sake, say that inter ARE investigated and no evidence is found does that make them innocent?we ALL know that something is going on, we all know they are being massively favoured and we all know serie a is a farce right now.
so if they are investigated and no evidence of match fixing is found does taht make them completely innocent? fuck no! by ignoring Juve's role in the previous "scandal" we are ignoring avital lesson. we all love Juve, but we should not be blind to her previous discretions,its the only way we will ever ensure that we can never be accused again
Alen,
I have always said that we did receive favours. But so did Milan at the time and various other teams. We however won and got a couple of very debatable calls in our favour at unlucky times.
However, it was never us getting ALL the calls and the other favorites getting NONE. If every call in every game is made to favour Inter, then something is up. I was willing to believe in a clean Serie A at the start of this season, and I even believed in it for a long time. It is just statistically so unlikely that so many calls would go one way, that I don't buy it anymore.
I have always said that we did receive favours. But so did Milan at the time and various other teams. We however won and got a couple of very debatable calls in our favour at unlucky times.
However, it was never us getting ALL the calls and the other favorites getting NONE. If every call in every game is made to favour Inter, then something is up. I was willing to believe in a clean Serie A at the start of this season, and I even believed in it for a long time. It is just statistically so unlikely that so many calls would go one way, that I don't buy it anymore.
And who is gonna stop me, you and what army?
When did I ever say that Inter is not being favoured this season and what the hell has that got to do with Juventus' guilt?
How long have you been watching Juventus for you to come out and say this is the worst that has ever happened?
You are all ready to accept that Juventus is innocent cos of lack of evidence and then ready to throw Inter to the dogs when there is no evidence either.
If years to come it comes out that Inter were currying favours, would it surprise any of you? Would it surprise you if they came under football tribunal investigation in 10 years time?
All sorts of shit has been posted here saying its evidence and if you do just a modicum of research you will find its horseshit.
Nakata is said to be illegal what the fuck does that mean? Ask for proof then Gsol puts a link that just talks about the game and says Capello was able to capitalise on a ruling that allowed him to play more foreigners than he would have.
At no point in the article did it say Nakata was the illegal. How do you determine who the illegal player is if a club has 6 foreigners?
We are a narrow-minded club and just because we dont look for talents in South America and other continents does not mean that teams that do so should be punished.
Riccardo Agricola our club doctor was given a 22 month suspended sentence and he celebrated like he had just won the world cup cos he knew he got away with it.
Zizou testified that only at Juventus was he given creatine, now that might not be a banned substance but it is still a muscle builder. He also testified that he was hit intravenously with vitamins.
Why would you inject someone with vitamins and how does Zidane know it is actually vitamins he is being injected with just because the doctor told him so.
In court it was heard that Conte and Tacchinardi had high amounts of EPo in his system, Dp, Montero, Deschamps and others had as well but in small amounts.
What I find interesting is that Dp always seems injured under Lippi but not so much under Ancellotti, Capello, Deshamps and now Ranieri even if he is older now and his injuries were almost always muscular.
Conte and tacchinardi missed so many games under Lippi whilst under Ancelotti, Tacchi was a cornerstone.
Might mean nothing might mean something.
Al Capone was indicted for tax evasion cos that only what they could catch him with even though eliot ness had been following for years. Does that mean not paying the IRs was his only crime?
I keep hearing stuff about how we supplied so many players for the 2006 final as some sortof vindication as to our innocence
Does this mean that in 2002 world cup when we had just won the league and had none of our players past the second round as the likes of France out in group stage, Italy out in 2nd round we were gulity?
Neither argument holds water so i dont know why people use it. Yes i do, to purport some sort of weak argument as to why it would be impossible for them to cheat.
It does not matter how good your players are some people would just go the extra mile to make sure they win.
But it seems that every major newspaper that carried stories about our indiscretions in the past because they all got their stories from gazetta. It does not matter that these are highly reputable papers that do their own research and send their own reporters to conduct interviews and protect their sources.
we just have to listen to Gsol go on and on telling us that the only source we should believe should be his.
Go on blame Moratti, Molinaro and ranieri for your frustrations in life and keep your chin up as not you or anybody else can stop me from coming on here or doing and saying what i godamned please.
When did I ever say that Inter is not being favoured this season and what the hell has that got to do with Juventus' guilt?
How long have you been watching Juventus for you to come out and say this is the worst that has ever happened?
You are all ready to accept that Juventus is innocent cos of lack of evidence and then ready to throw Inter to the dogs when there is no evidence either.
If years to come it comes out that Inter were currying favours, would it surprise any of you? Would it surprise you if they came under football tribunal investigation in 10 years time?
All sorts of shit has been posted here saying its evidence and if you do just a modicum of research you will find its horseshit.
Nakata is said to be illegal what the fuck does that mean? Ask for proof then Gsol puts a link that just talks about the game and says Capello was able to capitalise on a ruling that allowed him to play more foreigners than he would have.
At no point in the article did it say Nakata was the illegal. How do you determine who the illegal player is if a club has 6 foreigners?
We are a narrow-minded club and just because we dont look for talents in South America and other continents does not mean that teams that do so should be punished.
Riccardo Agricola our club doctor was given a 22 month suspended sentence and he celebrated like he had just won the world cup cos he knew he got away with it.
Zizou testified that only at Juventus was he given creatine, now that might not be a banned substance but it is still a muscle builder. He also testified that he was hit intravenously with vitamins.
Why would you inject someone with vitamins and how does Zidane know it is actually vitamins he is being injected with just because the doctor told him so.
In court it was heard that Conte and Tacchinardi had high amounts of EPo in his system, Dp, Montero, Deschamps and others had as well but in small amounts.
What I find interesting is that Dp always seems injured under Lippi but not so much under Ancellotti, Capello, Deshamps and now Ranieri even if he is older now and his injuries were almost always muscular.
Conte and tacchinardi missed so many games under Lippi whilst under Ancelotti, Tacchi was a cornerstone.
Might mean nothing might mean something.
Al Capone was indicted for tax evasion cos that only what they could catch him with even though eliot ness had been following for years. Does that mean not paying the IRs was his only crime?
I keep hearing stuff about how we supplied so many players for the 2006 final as some sortof vindication as to our innocence
Does this mean that in 2002 world cup when we had just won the league and had none of our players past the second round as the likes of France out in group stage, Italy out in 2nd round we were gulity?
Neither argument holds water so i dont know why people use it. Yes i do, to purport some sort of weak argument as to why it would be impossible for them to cheat.
It does not matter how good your players are some people would just go the extra mile to make sure they win.
But it seems that every major newspaper that carried stories about our indiscretions in the past because they all got their stories from gazetta. It does not matter that these are highly reputable papers that do their own research and send their own reporters to conduct interviews and protect their sources.
we just have to listen to Gsol go on and on telling us that the only source we should believe should be his.
Go on blame Moratti, Molinaro and ranieri for your frustrations in life and keep your chin up as not you or anybody else can stop me from coming on here or doing and saying what i godamned please.
Denco,
Go fuck yourself,
Am I clear on that.
You’re a whinny bitch on the rag and you contribute fuck all here and then say that you do research that makes my evidence horseshit. Everytime you are bleeding out of your pussy you come here and shit all over a page with more nonesense. You are only here to say the opposite of what I say and call everything into question when you don’t speak a word of Italian.
The article I posted on Nakata proved that a law was altered the last week of May allowing Nakata to represent Roma meaning he was illegitimate the rest of the season. You know what, this is common knowledge and has been for years. You say you were watching Juve get favors all these years and you didn’t notice the uproar over Nakata 8 years ago? He was the illegal player because he was the last one signed by the way.
“We are a narrow-minded club and just because we dont look for talents in South America and other continents does not mean that teams that do so should be punished.”
God you’re fucking stupid. I’m not even bothering with that one. It just proves how out of arguments you are.
Riccardo Agricola was actually cleared buddy. Sure he didn’t celebrate that instead?
Zizou confessed that Juventus game him legal muscle builders and vitamins “oh no, nail Moggi to a cross”. Creatine? Jesus I can buy it over the counter in lime flavor at GNC. It retains water.
Court determined no EPO use at all. LEARN ITALIAN!
“Might mean nothing might mean something.” Oh it means something alright, it means you’re looking for anything possible to make Juventus look bad.
Yes al capone! And denco brings up yet another useless analogy!
“we just have to listen to Gsol go on and on telling us that the only source we should believe should be his.”
I said do your own research and read the impartial papers from the trial. Your English papers go into how much detail? Stop defending them because that is all you have access to. You know that the majority of that shit gets translated right from Italian sports papers and the major ones are from the rcs media group. Look them up and tell me they would never favor Inter.
GOD YOU’RE FUKING ANOYING. I write long posts but they are meaningful. You made ANOTHER 90 line post of fucking nothing. Circles, analogies, “if this then how come that”, questioning the obvious.
NAKATA WAS ILLEGALY FIELDED FOR 7 MONTHS! HE WAS IN EXCESS TO THE PERMITTED FOREIGN PASSPORT HOLDERS AND WAS NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY UNTIL ROMA – JUVE BUT PLAYED ALL FUCKING YEAR. THERE WAS AN UPROAR ABOUT IT AND NOT JUST HIM! ACCEPT IT.
Don’t call what I post into question or call it horseshit when all you’ve done is shown up here with your verbal diarrhea never posting A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE.
Pompous asshole, learn the fucking game, league and team then talk.
Go fuck yourself,
Am I clear on that.
You’re a whinny bitch on the rag and you contribute fuck all here and then say that you do research that makes my evidence horseshit. Everytime you are bleeding out of your pussy you come here and shit all over a page with more nonesense. You are only here to say the opposite of what I say and call everything into question when you don’t speak a word of Italian.
The article I posted on Nakata proved that a law was altered the last week of May allowing Nakata to represent Roma meaning he was illegitimate the rest of the season. You know what, this is common knowledge and has been for years. You say you were watching Juve get favors all these years and you didn’t notice the uproar over Nakata 8 years ago? He was the illegal player because he was the last one signed by the way.
“We are a narrow-minded club and just because we dont look for talents in South America and other continents does not mean that teams that do so should be punished.”
God you’re fucking stupid. I’m not even bothering with that one. It just proves how out of arguments you are.
Riccardo Agricola was actually cleared buddy. Sure he didn’t celebrate that instead?
Zizou confessed that Juventus game him legal muscle builders and vitamins “oh no, nail Moggi to a cross”. Creatine? Jesus I can buy it over the counter in lime flavor at GNC. It retains water.
Court determined no EPO use at all. LEARN ITALIAN!
“Might mean nothing might mean something.” Oh it means something alright, it means you’re looking for anything possible to make Juventus look bad.
Yes al capone! And denco brings up yet another useless analogy!
“we just have to listen to Gsol go on and on telling us that the only source we should believe should be his.”
I said do your own research and read the impartial papers from the trial. Your English papers go into how much detail? Stop defending them because that is all you have access to. You know that the majority of that shit gets translated right from Italian sports papers and the major ones are from the rcs media group. Look them up and tell me they would never favor Inter.
GOD YOU’RE FUKING ANOYING. I write long posts but they are meaningful. You made ANOTHER 90 line post of fucking nothing. Circles, analogies, “if this then how come that”, questioning the obvious.
NAKATA WAS ILLEGALY FIELDED FOR 7 MONTHS! HE WAS IN EXCESS TO THE PERMITTED FOREIGN PASSPORT HOLDERS AND WAS NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY UNTIL ROMA – JUVE BUT PLAYED ALL FUCKING YEAR. THERE WAS AN UPROAR ABOUT IT AND NOT JUST HIM! ACCEPT IT.
Don’t call what I post into question or call it horseshit when all you’ve done is shown up here with your verbal diarrhea never posting A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE.
Pompous asshole, learn the fucking game, league and team then talk.
see this is the arguement here mate, who si to say what is a fair trial. if they were deemed innocent then we would say it is biased,but all the fans in serie a would have felt this way about us being found innocent. its all a matter of perspective,we all KNOW inter are cheating but i really cannot believe we were whiter than white
Yes the hallmark of a complete buffon. Telling me to go fuck myself.
You write meaningful long posts? Again you have not explained as to how Nakata was the 1 singled out to be in excess.
Why not Walter Samuel, why not Ascunsao after all they all came in the same season.
Oh yeah cos he scored against Juventus
Nakata was only decisive in 1 game and that is your out as well as conspiracy mongers like yourself.
@7 Inter are getting all the decisions right now as Real madrid do in spain, Manchester United in England, Milan and Juventus in the past cos they are the top dogs.
You are just looking at it more closely cos of whats going on and this ridiculous thread allows you guys to bleat like sheep.
In the past Juventus and Milan used to get decisions on a regular basis, from offsides to goals disallowed etc every game.
The difference is that there are no stories going round saying referees have been given phonecards etc
Players and fans of other clubs are continually saying Inter are being favoured but they would tell you it is nothing compared to what Juventus were doing.
You write meaningful long posts? Again you have not explained as to how Nakata was the 1 singled out to be in excess.
Why not Walter Samuel, why not Ascunsao after all they all came in the same season.
Oh yeah cos he scored against Juventus
Nakata was only decisive in 1 game and that is your out as well as conspiracy mongers like yourself.
@7 Inter are getting all the decisions right now as Real madrid do in spain, Manchester United in England, Milan and Juventus in the past cos they are the top dogs.
You are just looking at it more closely cos of whats going on and this ridiculous thread allows you guys to bleat like sheep.
In the past Juventus and Milan used to get decisions on a regular basis, from offsides to goals disallowed etc every game.
The difference is that there are no stories going round saying referees have been given phonecards etc
Players and fans of other clubs are continually saying Inter are being favoured but they would tell you it is nothing compared to what Juventus were doing.