Where am I running. I answer everything that is presented to me and I fail to see much depth in any of his arguments. Just a lot of opinion
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By the way Giu Le Mani isn't fighting alone. There are a lot of groups working together and you can read about them on vecchisignora.com, ju29ro.com, among others. There is even a TV show on T9 now in Italy called "La Juve e' Sempre La Juve" hosted by Antonio Angellini that has brought on guests like the judges from the trial, De Santis, Bergamo, Giu Le Mani's lawyers, etc.
You've been insulting and being insulted and no one took action. anything else?
My comment was to ReBeL and Ze tahir who were defending you on a weak argument as it has been this way since you ever arrived on this forum and guess what, I will not take action against anyone throwing shit at another in this issue.
Keep on posting your evidence, it amuses some.
My comment was to ReBeL and Ze tahir who were defending you on a weak argument as it has been this way since you ever arrived on this forum and guess what, I will not take action against anyone throwing shit at another in this issue.
Keep on posting your evidence, it amuses some.
Where have I abused him? I have not once insulted him but I have been called illiterate, on my period and all sorts and I have not insulted him because this is an interesting matter and that is why I dont want this thread closed if we degenerate into personal insults.
I am not telling you to not believe him and i am not trying to get you to change your mind at all, that up to you.
I am however not 1 to be swayed in what i believe to be untrue, no matter how much it is coloured to suit their argument.
I cannot accept that in this day and age 2007, a plc like Juventus cn just be relegated for political and financial purposes with hell not breaking lose.
Does it seem possible to you that a much loved company can be demolished and very few people save for 2800 and growing will vent their venom?
From the beginning I have been asking how come big personalities have said nothing and 2 weeks later Michel Platini's name is thrown into the bag, why was he not mentioned before?
This so called knowledge and facts that you are infering, did you dig it up yourself? Would it not be better for you to do your own research if you are taking it seriously and get someone neutral to expalin the whole process to you?
I have asked too many questions, they are not answered adequately just brushed upon.
The SIM card situation, why do you need more than 1 if you don't want someone to know all your business
Its different if you have more than 1 cell phone but once you start having many sim cards then you are trying to hide business
It just seems as long as people cannot prove wrong doing then in means there was no wrong doing.
You accuse me of not reading his posts but I do and they are repetitive, loads of waffle and full of conspiracy jargon, some of it is informative but most of it is like the movie JFK.
Lets get something straight, Moggi might be guilty but he is not the only 1 at Juventus as there is no way he could have done it by himself as that is as ridiculous as saying Juventus is the only guilty party in serieA.
Believe what you want but you have no right to be angry with anyone that does not agree with waffle as thats all i have been reading here is waffle.
Judging by you and some other people you are acting like we want Juventus to be guilty or we caused their guilt.
I am not telling you to not believe him and i am not trying to get you to change your mind at all, that up to you.
I am however not 1 to be swayed in what i believe to be untrue, no matter how much it is coloured to suit their argument.
I cannot accept that in this day and age 2007, a plc like Juventus cn just be relegated for political and financial purposes with hell not breaking lose.
Does it seem possible to you that a much loved company can be demolished and very few people save for 2800 and growing will vent their venom?
From the beginning I have been asking how come big personalities have said nothing and 2 weeks later Michel Platini's name is thrown into the bag, why was he not mentioned before?
This so called knowledge and facts that you are infering, did you dig it up yourself? Would it not be better for you to do your own research if you are taking it seriously and get someone neutral to expalin the whole process to you?
I have asked too many questions, they are not answered adequately just brushed upon.
The SIM card situation, why do you need more than 1 if you don't want someone to know all your business
Its different if you have more than 1 cell phone but once you start having many sim cards then you are trying to hide business
It just seems as long as people cannot prove wrong doing then in means there was no wrong doing.
You accuse me of not reading his posts but I do and they are repetitive, loads of waffle and full of conspiracy jargon, some of it is informative but most of it is like the movie JFK.
Lets get something straight, Moggi might be guilty but he is not the only 1 at Juventus as there is no way he could have done it by himself as that is as ridiculous as saying Juventus is the only guilty party in serieA.
Believe what you want but you have no right to be angry with anyone that does not agree with waffle as thats all i have been reading here is waffle.
Judging by you and some other people you are acting like we want Juventus to be guilty or we caused their guilt.
The weak argument has nothing to do with the information you are posting. THEIR weak argument is that denco insults all those who disagree with him where you do the exact same thing. As for the things you post? I don't read them so I can't judge them.
As I said earlier, keep on posting, we need people like you on the forum.
As I said earlier, keep on posting, we need people like you on the forum.
So do you really think denco and salman want Juve to be guilty??Dont you think they are just being objective about the whole thing??
I have little knowledge about the subject so i wont argue with gsol or any of you for that matter,but it seems to me that Denco is using common sense in his argument..we all acknowledge gsol is probably more informed than the rest of us( including denco and salman) abouth this whole thing..but its his bias thats getting in the way of his judgement..
I have little knowledge about the subject so i wont argue with gsol or any of you for that matter,but it seems to me that Denco is using common sense in his argument..we all acknowledge gsol is probably more informed than the rest of us( including denco and salman) abouth this whole thing..but its his bias thats getting in the way of his judgement..
"Its different if you have more than 1 cell phone but once you start having many sim cards then you are trying to hide business"
He had more than 1 cell phone. By the way while living there I had more than 1 cell phone and international sims too. So did many people I know. In fact most people on my list were accompanied by a name because of how many phones everyone had. It's so common I'm not sure why I'm put in a position to defend it. The point is he claimed he had a swiss one to protect transfer dealings which were constantly being leaked killing their barganing power. This has already been stated. Whether it's true or not is irrelevant. It's not against the law to have international SIMs or phones.
He had more than 1 cell phone. By the way while living there I had more than 1 cell phone and international sims too. So did many people I know. In fact most people on my list were accompanied by a name because of how many phones everyone had. It's so common I'm not sure why I'm put in a position to defend it. The point is he claimed he had a swiss one to protect transfer dealings which were constantly being leaked killing their barganing power. This has already been stated. Whether it's true or not is irrelevant. It's not against the law to have international SIMs or phones.
After a year of failing to provide proof of match fixing, the Neapolitan prosecutors introduced a new argument. Allegedly Moggi provide referees with Swiss SIM cards to communicate without being spied. Since the prosecutors couldn't listen it was assumed all illegal activity could be found on those calls. Moggi and the referees responded by saying that they never made or received calls from each other. This portion of the trial is still going on.
The Neapolitan magistrates responded to Moggi and the referee’s denials by producing tables showing dates, times, and numbers called throughout the season of 2004-2005. Moggi responded saying that the numbers may have been real but the calls and tables were falsified. They all continued to deny ever having called each other. Obviously no one believed them.
As a result Moggi went on national television and claimed that through various computer programs, these tables can be falsified. He was ridiculed by the panel and the public. A week later he was invited back on the show and in an attempt to discredit him they invited a telephone company technician as well.
The technician shows how easy it is through a computer to falsify a phone call. Watch as the technician has one person on the panel shut his phone off. Then he used a computer to call another panel member with the number of the phone that is off. The number of the dead pone appeared on the recipient’s phone screen. Moggi has a certain smile on his face…the crowd remained silent.
klik, First part
klik, Second part
klik, Third part
klik, Fourth part
The technician actually goes on to say that through a program called “Cambia Voce” (Voice Change), that a phone call can be made from person A to person B with the voice of person C. In other words many of the phone calls presented in court may have been of other people all together. All that is needed is a recording of Moggi’s voice. The recording then duplicates tone, volume, pitch, etc. and another person can make a call with his voice. This from the mouth of a telephone technician, he claimed he would be willing to testify.
YEEEEEE baby....
The Neapolitan magistrates responded to Moggi and the referee’s denials by producing tables showing dates, times, and numbers called throughout the season of 2004-2005. Moggi responded saying that the numbers may have been real but the calls and tables were falsified. They all continued to deny ever having called each other. Obviously no one believed them.
As a result Moggi went on national television and claimed that through various computer programs, these tables can be falsified. He was ridiculed by the panel and the public. A week later he was invited back on the show and in an attempt to discredit him they invited a telephone company technician as well.
The technician shows how easy it is through a computer to falsify a phone call. Watch as the technician has one person on the panel shut his phone off. Then he used a computer to call another panel member with the number of the phone that is off. The number of the dead pone appeared on the recipient’s phone screen. Moggi has a certain smile on his face…the crowd remained silent.
klik, First part
klik, Second part
klik, Third part
klik, Fourth part
The technician actually goes on to say that through a program called “Cambia Voce” (Voice Change), that a phone call can be made from person A to person B with the voice of person C. In other words many of the phone calls presented in court may have been of other people all together. All that is needed is a recording of Moggi’s voice. The recording then duplicates tone, volume, pitch, etc. and another person can make a call with his voice. This from the mouth of a telephone technician, he claimed he would be willing to testify.
YEEEEEE baby....
If people refuse to read my posts at least read this one
It doesn’t bother me when someone disagrees with me so much as who and why. It has been said that I am arrogant and that may be true but that is only because I know what I am saying. If this thread had to do with basketball I wouldn’t be arrogant because I don’t know anything about the sport and would therefore not be so adamant about things. When it comes to this scandal I know what I’m saying. I’ve been asked if I dug up the evidence on my own when the evidence is publically posted for all to see and I’ve provided links.
I get upset when a guy like Denco shows up admitting he doesn’t speak Italian meaning he has no comprehension of the trial documents. He has no comprehension of the judge declarations. He has no comprehension of the wiretaps. Yet he calls everything written into question.
Denco, you are in no position to contest anything based on the fact that you have no means by which to understand and accurately interpret it. I’m lucky enough to have that capability and others that do sound remarkably similar to me. But if this case happened in China and all the evidence was in Chinese I would have never said a word because I would have been as limited as you. Your problem is that you think that your posts based only on personal opinion and prejudices are valid when they are not. You are way out of your element.
- No match fixing occurred in 2004-2005
- No wiretaps revealed article 6 violations
- No financial transfers by Juventus were out of line
- No Moggi system existed
- Evidence in the case was tampered with
- The referee selection process was never compromised
- The commissioner of the trial not only was a former Inter Director but a Director of Telecom Italia which provided the taps
- Telecom is owned by Tronchetti who also owns Pirelli (Inter’s biggest sponsor) and TIM (FIGC’s biggest sponsor)
These things are not up for debate like Denco seems to think. These things were confirmed by the very judges presiding over the trial. They were confirmed by La Guardia Della Finanza (Revenue Investigators), they were confirmed in the very sentences that are now available to the public. They were confirmed by the company’s (very public) corporate structure.
You can disagree (I’m not sure why you want to) but you are wrong. These are facts whether you like them or not. The trial was a farce because Juventus was not found guilty of what they were convicted of (Article 6 violations). They were found guilty of Article 1 violations but that would only constitute a point deduction as high as 5 points.
Denco, accept that this is a lost cause. You don’t have the basis to form an argument that can discredit the very evidence that exists (not that I created). I expect a tone like yours from Interisti because they fundamentally want to believe that they were cheated and that Juve were responsible but that you a Juventino is refusing to accept this is nothing short of confusing.
You say you use common sense yet you are trying to discredit trial evidence based on absolutely nothing.
Juve were found not guilty of match fixing/conditioning etc. but were convicted of it for a variety of reasons (mostly financial). Would it be the first corporate scandal in our lifetime?
Denco use common sense and accept your limitations. I wrote what was found. I cited actual legal documents and more. You call it all into question not being able to even understand the evidence that has been posted. If I’m arrogant then what are you?
If you were to say “its personal, I’m not so much contesting the facts as I am contesting you because of how you come off” I would understand. Frankly if you see it as a personal challenge because you don’t like me then fine. I don’t really care if you don’t like me as I’m not here to make friends. But to contest facts as though they were my own is absurd. I didn’t write the sentences…I read them and was shocked at what I found. That’s why I presented them to everyone here.
If you can’t understand it then I’m sorry but don’t think you are in a position to question it. It’s a documented fact that is not up for debate.
It doesn’t bother me when someone disagrees with me so much as who and why. It has been said that I am arrogant and that may be true but that is only because I know what I am saying. If this thread had to do with basketball I wouldn’t be arrogant because I don’t know anything about the sport and would therefore not be so adamant about things. When it comes to this scandal I know what I’m saying. I’ve been asked if I dug up the evidence on my own when the evidence is publically posted for all to see and I’ve provided links.
I get upset when a guy like Denco shows up admitting he doesn’t speak Italian meaning he has no comprehension of the trial documents. He has no comprehension of the judge declarations. He has no comprehension of the wiretaps. Yet he calls everything written into question.
Denco, you are in no position to contest anything based on the fact that you have no means by which to understand and accurately interpret it. I’m lucky enough to have that capability and others that do sound remarkably similar to me. But if this case happened in China and all the evidence was in Chinese I would have never said a word because I would have been as limited as you. Your problem is that you think that your posts based only on personal opinion and prejudices are valid when they are not. You are way out of your element.
- No match fixing occurred in 2004-2005
- No wiretaps revealed article 6 violations
- No financial transfers by Juventus were out of line
- No Moggi system existed
- Evidence in the case was tampered with
- The referee selection process was never compromised
- The commissioner of the trial not only was a former Inter Director but a Director of Telecom Italia which provided the taps
- Telecom is owned by Tronchetti who also owns Pirelli (Inter’s biggest sponsor) and TIM (FIGC’s biggest sponsor)
These things are not up for debate like Denco seems to think. These things were confirmed by the very judges presiding over the trial. They were confirmed by La Guardia Della Finanza (Revenue Investigators), they were confirmed in the very sentences that are now available to the public. They were confirmed by the company’s (very public) corporate structure.
You can disagree (I’m not sure why you want to) but you are wrong. These are facts whether you like them or not. The trial was a farce because Juventus was not found guilty of what they were convicted of (Article 6 violations). They were found guilty of Article 1 violations but that would only constitute a point deduction as high as 5 points.
Denco, accept that this is a lost cause. You don’t have the basis to form an argument that can discredit the very evidence that exists (not that I created). I expect a tone like yours from Interisti because they fundamentally want to believe that they were cheated and that Juve were responsible but that you a Juventino is refusing to accept this is nothing short of confusing.
You say you use common sense yet you are trying to discredit trial evidence based on absolutely nothing.
Juve were found not guilty of match fixing/conditioning etc. but were convicted of it for a variety of reasons (mostly financial). Would it be the first corporate scandal in our lifetime?
Denco use common sense and accept your limitations. I wrote what was found. I cited actual legal documents and more. You call it all into question not being able to even understand the evidence that has been posted. If I’m arrogant then what are you?
If you were to say “its personal, I’m not so much contesting the facts as I am contesting you because of how you come off” I would understand. Frankly if you see it as a personal challenge because you don’t like me then fine. I don’t really care if you don’t like me as I’m not here to make friends. But to contest facts as though they were my own is absurd. I didn’t write the sentences…I read them and was shocked at what I found. That’s why I presented them to everyone here.
If you can’t understand it then I’m sorry but don’t think you are in a position to question it. It’s a documented fact that is not up for debate.