Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (45 Viewers)
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If gsol's real name is Giuseppe Solinas or something like that, I think he's going to be on Italian Soccer Fanatics this evening. I'll be watching...
EDIT: Okay, so I watched Italian Soccer Fanatics on TLN this evening and I'm pretty sure it was gsol. Guiseppe, you've got to stop with this conspiracy shit. I appreciate what you're trying to do, but it makes every Juventus fan seem bitter like the Inter fans from two or three years ago.
The first time was great, but now...basta.
EDIT: Okay, so I watched Italian Soccer Fanatics on TLN this evening and I'm pretty sure it was gsol. Guiseppe, you've got to stop with this conspiracy shit. I appreciate what you're trying to do, but it makes every Juventus fan seem bitter like the Inter fans from two or three years ago.
The first time was great, but now...basta.
Right there is the crux of the matter, why was Moggi obssessed with which referee is at which game?
The more you try to prove your superior knowledge of the Italian system, the more you drop yourself in it as far as I am concerned.
If we just took off our blinkered opinion and look thru the eyes of neutrality, you can see that if Moggi took so much time trying to figure out where referees would be at certain matches, then it is very easy for him to manipulate matches.
From what you have put here, he knows in advance, which referees would be officiating in games that affect Juventus.
Say for example Juventus are meeting udinese in 4 weeks time, is it not possible for Moggi to get referees to soften them up before the 4 weeks so by the time they meet us most of their key players would be suspended?
Is that not 1 of the things he was accused of?
Since it is alleged he had sim cards given to a lot of referees is really beyond the realms of possibility that he was manipulating referees to suit us?
Lets face facts you and I do not know the whole truth and we are both just speculating but I am just telling you from a neutral perspective and using what you have brought up to use against your rationale.
He does not need to select referees, according to you, he knows exactly where they would be and when.
Unfortunately for you and your argument, in a friendly, he did not know who would be the referee and that was why he was asking for someone that would be favourable as unlike in official matches they are not presassigned.
@ Rebel well thanks for saying you will not come down to my level but in the same breath insult me that I don't have a life. Amazing how some people think they can make an underhanded slight and act like the bigger person at the same time.
For those that are offended that I called them stupid well what can i say, i have said in the past that people say moronic thins and stupid things but that does not mean I think you are stupid or moronic, just at that point what was said was stupid.
But in this case well maybe I went overboard but its hard to fathom that someone can come here and say all sorts of things about conspiracy to bring down a huge club like Juventus and you buy into it.
How is it possible that with our history, players we have and had and not 1 person took it upon themselves to challenge these people that gsol has tried to convince us RELEGATED OUR CLUB TO SERIEB?
His reasons are as he put it financial and political.
We all know when it comes to politics and finance, it is impossible for everyone to agree but for everything to just gel and for them to just get away with relegating a huge club without anyone doing anyhting to stop it. does that make any sense to you?
Yes you want to believe so much that your beloved club is innocent and that Moratti and Inter and other people are the bad guys but it is not an individual we are talking about but a big club.
This is not something out of the blue, Juventus have been accused for ages of cheating, yes some of it is jealousy but come on, you do not relegate a club on no evidence of foul play.
I asked Gsol if Moggi was innocent and he said YES.
I cannot believe that because of too many things, too many players that he brought to Juventus, are you saying NOT 1 would protest against the injustice?
Instead of you have a case where players like cannavaro, zambrotta etc just left like that without protesting.
You listen to players speak and they always say they won ON THE PITCH.
If you read between the lines they are saying they were not the ones that cheated but someone did cheat other wise they would be spitting hellfire.
I am just putting myself in player's position and if I believed that Juve were innocent and were set up then I would never leave so whay did all those players leave and why did the likes of Buffon, Trez and Camo want to go to if they actually believed we were innocent?
Or are we saying these players have absolutely no integrity? The ones that went had no loyalty
The ones that stayed are not any better because they actually did business with a board that according to gsol sold Juventus out.
Are we now saying Dp for all his love for Juventus would actually want to play for a board that sold Juve out because that is exactly what Gsol is saying
The more you try to prove your superior knowledge of the Italian system, the more you drop yourself in it as far as I am concerned.
If we just took off our blinkered opinion and look thru the eyes of neutrality, you can see that if Moggi took so much time trying to figure out where referees would be at certain matches, then it is very easy for him to manipulate matches.
From what you have put here, he knows in advance, which referees would be officiating in games that affect Juventus.
Say for example Juventus are meeting udinese in 4 weeks time, is it not possible for Moggi to get referees to soften them up before the 4 weeks so by the time they meet us most of their key players would be suspended?
Is that not 1 of the things he was accused of?
Since it is alleged he had sim cards given to a lot of referees is really beyond the realms of possibility that he was manipulating referees to suit us?
Lets face facts you and I do not know the whole truth and we are both just speculating but I am just telling you from a neutral perspective and using what you have brought up to use against your rationale.
He does not need to select referees, according to you, he knows exactly where they would be and when.
Unfortunately for you and your argument, in a friendly, he did not know who would be the referee and that was why he was asking for someone that would be favourable as unlike in official matches they are not presassigned.
@ Rebel well thanks for saying you will not come down to my level but in the same breath insult me that I don't have a life. Amazing how some people think they can make an underhanded slight and act like the bigger person at the same time.
For those that are offended that I called them stupid well what can i say, i have said in the past that people say moronic thins and stupid things but that does not mean I think you are stupid or moronic, just at that point what was said was stupid.
But in this case well maybe I went overboard but its hard to fathom that someone can come here and say all sorts of things about conspiracy to bring down a huge club like Juventus and you buy into it.
How is it possible that with our history, players we have and had and not 1 person took it upon themselves to challenge these people that gsol has tried to convince us RELEGATED OUR CLUB TO SERIEB?
His reasons are as he put it financial and political.
We all know when it comes to politics and finance, it is impossible for everyone to agree but for everything to just gel and for them to just get away with relegating a huge club without anyone doing anyhting to stop it. does that make any sense to you?
Yes you want to believe so much that your beloved club is innocent and that Moratti and Inter and other people are the bad guys but it is not an individual we are talking about but a big club.
This is not something out of the blue, Juventus have been accused for ages of cheating, yes some of it is jealousy but come on, you do not relegate a club on no evidence of foul play.
I asked Gsol if Moggi was innocent and he said YES.
I cannot believe that because of too many things, too many players that he brought to Juventus, are you saying NOT 1 would protest against the injustice?
Instead of you have a case where players like cannavaro, zambrotta etc just left like that without protesting.
You listen to players speak and they always say they won ON THE PITCH.
If you read between the lines they are saying they were not the ones that cheated but someone did cheat other wise they would be spitting hellfire.
I am just putting myself in player's position and if I believed that Juve were innocent and were set up then I would never leave so whay did all those players leave and why did the likes of Buffon, Trez and Camo want to go to if they actually believed we were innocent?
Or are we saying these players have absolutely no integrity? The ones that went had no loyalty
The ones that stayed are not any better because they actually did business with a board that according to gsol sold Juventus out.
Are we now saying Dp for all his love for Juventus would actually want to play for a board that sold Juve out because that is exactly what Gsol is saying
Go to other forums, this is the only one where I encounter all this resistance. The Italian forums especially where the people had more of a chance to inform themselves sound a lot more like me than you.
Here many THINK Moggi was guilty of something that deserved relegation but that is because they aren't aware of things like Article 1 and 6, they think he requested referees for real games (your friendly wasn't even part of the investigation because its an unofficial game) etc. I'm well aware of the game with Inter. I'm also sure that everyone watched it and understood it like me. Who do I need to translate shit for with that game.
“Right there is the crux of the matter, why was Moggi obssessed with which referee is at which game?”
- Not sure, why were all the other directors constantly calling about the same thing? They all wanted the better refs for the more difficult games in my opinion but in any case…they were all inquiring about the same thing. Moggi’s attention to detail just allowed him to figure it out without calling sometimes. Hardly a crime.
“If we just took off our blinkered opinion and look thru the eyes of neutrality, you can see that if Moggi took so much time trying to figure out where referees would be at certain matches, then it is very easy for him to manipulate matches.”
I thought that too. Then the sentences wrote that he manipulated nothing. Of course you know better though. Your research must have been vastly superior to the research of the actual investigators.
“From what you have put here, he knows in advance, which referees would be officiating in games that affect Juventus. Say for example Juventus are meeting udinese in 4 weeks time, is it not possible for Moggi to get referees to soften them up before the 4 weeks so by the time they meet us most of their key players would be suspended?”
- Impossible. You can only do La griglia a few days before the game because you need to know which refs officiated where in the preceding weeks. Regardless, he softened nothing according to the sentences and Judges so your point is irrelevant.
“Since it is alleged he had sim cards given to a lot of referees is really beyond the realms of possibility that he was manipulating referees to suit us?”
- I’ll answer that later.
“Unfortunately for you and your argument, in a friendly, he did not know who would be the referee and that was why he was asking for someone that would be favourable as unlike in official matches they are not presassigned.”
- Denco come on the Griglia is only done in Serie A matches. You think they do draws for friendlies? They don’t even do draws for Coppa Italia.
“But in this case well maybe I went overboard but its hard to fathom that someone can come here and say all sorts of things about conspiracy to bring down a huge club like Juventus and you buy into it.”
- Its not there to be bought its there to beunderstood. Others have. What’s taking you so long?
“How is it possible that with our history, players we have and had and not 1 person took it upon themselves to challenge these people that gsol has tried to convince us RELEGATED OUR CLUB TO SERIEB?”
- www.giulemanidallajuve.com just in case you thought I was alone.
- Not sure, why were all the other directors constantly calling about the same thing? They all wanted the better refs for the more difficult games in my opinion but in any case…they were all inquiring about the same thing. Moggi’s attention to detail just allowed him to figure it out without calling sometimes. Hardly a crime.
“If we just took off our blinkered opinion and look thru the eyes of neutrality, you can see that if Moggi took so much time trying to figure out where referees would be at certain matches, then it is very easy for him to manipulate matches.”
I thought that too. Then the sentences wrote that he manipulated nothing. Of course you know better though. Your research must have been vastly superior to the research of the actual investigators.
“From what you have put here, he knows in advance, which referees would be officiating in games that affect Juventus. Say for example Juventus are meeting udinese in 4 weeks time, is it not possible for Moggi to get referees to soften them up before the 4 weeks so by the time they meet us most of their key players would be suspended?”
- Impossible. You can only do La griglia a few days before the game because you need to know which refs officiated where in the preceding weeks. Regardless, he softened nothing according to the sentences and Judges so your point is irrelevant.
“Since it is alleged he had sim cards given to a lot of referees is really beyond the realms of possibility that he was manipulating referees to suit us?”
- I’ll answer that later.
“Unfortunately for you and your argument, in a friendly, he did not know who would be the referee and that was why he was asking for someone that would be favourable as unlike in official matches they are not presassigned.”
- Denco come on the Griglia is only done in Serie A matches. You think they do draws for friendlies? They don’t even do draws for Coppa Italia.
“But in this case well maybe I went overboard but its hard to fathom that someone can come here and say all sorts of things about conspiracy to bring down a huge club like Juventus and you buy into it.”
- Its not there to be bought its there to beunderstood. Others have. What’s taking you so long?
“How is it possible that with our history, players we have and had and not 1 person took it upon themselves to challenge these people that gsol has tried to convince us RELEGATED OUR CLUB TO SERIEB?”
- www.giulemanidallajuve.com just in case you thought I was alone.
"This is not something out of the blue, Juventus have been accused for ages of cheating,"
- by who? You never noticed who's headlines were always plastered with that shit. It's unfortunate that Juve had such a sour relationship with the media for so many years. They even managed to convince you.
"yes some of it is jealousy but come on, you do not relegate a club on no evidence of foul play."
- You really need to understand something and i swear to god i might have to make it my sig. THERE WAS NO FUCKING EVIDENCE!! You think it's an opinion. Learn the language and read the trial documents or make a long story short and read the judge declarations that say that.
"I asked Gsol if Moggi was innocent and he said YES."
- no, the judges did...I just repeated what they established. He was innocent of match fixing.
I cannot believe that because of too many things, too many players that he brought to Juventus, are you saying NOT 1 would protest against the injustice?
- Ibra still is. Many have.
"Instead of you have a case where players like cannavaro, zambrotta etc just left like that without protesting."
- That has no bearing on not guilty or guilty
"You listen to players speak and they always say they won ON THE PITCH. If you read between the lines they are saying they were not the ones that cheated but someone did cheat other wise they would be spitting hellfire."
- Don't interpret for them please. They've said they won on the pitch, they don't believe there was foul play (Camoranesi), we won on the field and our adversaries know we beat them on the field (Del Piero), we won those titles fair and square (Ibra). Now Denco throws his twist and puts words in peoples mouths...you sound like the Italian media
"I am just putting myself in player's position and if I believed that Juve were innocent and were set up then I would never leave so whay did all those players leave and why did the likes of Buffon, Trez and Camo want to go to if they actually believed we were innocent?"
- Because the team in B couldn't keep them on the payroll nor would they have CL. You aren't thinking like a player, you are thinking like a fan. Besides, I could ask the same question in reverese. Look how many stayed.
Denco, I cannot believe how much you write without saying a damn thing. You have posted two pages of fluff at a time. No substance whatsoever. Seriously stop wasting my time. If you disagree with the evidence and have something to back it up with then fine but if you are just arguing for the sake of arguing then post somewhere else. You want to believe Calciopoli was real, fine, maybe elvis is alive and is living in area 51 too. I'm sure you could argue that case just as well. the point of this thread is to post all the evidence available to discredit Calciopoli and the evidence is so strong that the appeal has made it to the European Courts. If we win will you continue to protest? There are plenty of threads here. If this one bothers you don't ruin it with 2 pages worth of bullshit questions, assumptions and personal interpretations.
- by who? You never noticed who's headlines were always plastered with that shit. It's unfortunate that Juve had such a sour relationship with the media for so many years. They even managed to convince you.
"yes some of it is jealousy but come on, you do not relegate a club on no evidence of foul play."
- You really need to understand something and i swear to god i might have to make it my sig. THERE WAS NO FUCKING EVIDENCE!! You think it's an opinion. Learn the language and read the trial documents or make a long story short and read the judge declarations that say that.
"I asked Gsol if Moggi was innocent and he said YES."
- no, the judges did...I just repeated what they established. He was innocent of match fixing.
I cannot believe that because of too many things, too many players that he brought to Juventus, are you saying NOT 1 would protest against the injustice?
- Ibra still is. Many have.
"Instead of you have a case where players like cannavaro, zambrotta etc just left like that without protesting."
- That has no bearing on not guilty or guilty
"You listen to players speak and they always say they won ON THE PITCH. If you read between the lines they are saying they were not the ones that cheated but someone did cheat other wise they would be spitting hellfire."
- Don't interpret for them please. They've said they won on the pitch, they don't believe there was foul play (Camoranesi), we won on the field and our adversaries know we beat them on the field (Del Piero), we won those titles fair and square (Ibra). Now Denco throws his twist and puts words in peoples mouths...you sound like the Italian media
"I am just putting myself in player's position and if I believed that Juve were innocent and were set up then I would never leave so whay did all those players leave and why did the likes of Buffon, Trez and Camo want to go to if they actually believed we were innocent?"
- Because the team in B couldn't keep them on the payroll nor would they have CL. You aren't thinking like a player, you are thinking like a fan. Besides, I could ask the same question in reverese. Look how many stayed.
Denco, I cannot believe how much you write without saying a damn thing. You have posted two pages of fluff at a time. No substance whatsoever. Seriously stop wasting my time. If you disagree with the evidence and have something to back it up with then fine but if you are just arguing for the sake of arguing then post somewhere else. You want to believe Calciopoli was real, fine, maybe elvis is alive and is living in area 51 too. I'm sure you could argue that case just as well. the point of this thread is to post all the evidence available to discredit Calciopoli and the evidence is so strong that the appeal has made it to the European Courts. If we win will you continue to protest? There are plenty of threads here. If this one bothers you don't ruin it with 2 pages worth of bullshit questions, assumptions and personal interpretations.
SWISS SIM CARDS
After a year of failing to provide proof of match fixing, the Neapolitan prosecutors introduced a new argument. Allegedly Moggi provide referees with Swiss SIM cards to communicate without being spied. Since the prosecutors couldn't listen it was assumed all illegal activity could be found on those calls. Moggi and the referees responded by saying that they never made or received calls from each other. This portion of the trial is still going on.
The Neapolitan magistrates responded to Moggi and the referee’s denials by producing tables showing dates, times, and numbers called throughout the season of 2004-2005. Moggi responded saying that the numbers may have been real but the calls and tables were falsified. They all continued to deny ever having called each other. Obviously no one believed them.
As a result Moggi went on national television and claimed that through various computer programs, these tables can be falsified. He was ridiculed by the panel and the public. A week later he was invited back on the show and in an attempt to discredit him they invited a telephone company technician as well.
The technician shows how easy it is through a computer to falsify a phone call. Watch as the technician has one person on the panel shut his phone off. Then he used a computer to call another panel member with the number of the phone that is off. The number of the dead pone appeared on the recipient’s phone screen. Moggi has a certain smile on his face…the crowd remained silent.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2fSAxRNGFJM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vvv3qOoUA5Y
http://youtube.com/watch?v=M6RTt5quftQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JciFOvfu7HQ
The technician actually goes on to say that through a program called “Cambia Voce” (Voice Change), that a phone call can be made from person A to person B with the voice of person C. In other words many of the phone calls presented in court may have been of other people all together. All that is needed is a recording of Moggi’s voice. The recording then duplicates tone, volume, pitch, etc. and another person can make a call with his voice. This from the mouth of a telephone technician, he claimed he would be willing to testify.
After a year of failing to provide proof of match fixing, the Neapolitan prosecutors introduced a new argument. Allegedly Moggi provide referees with Swiss SIM cards to communicate without being spied. Since the prosecutors couldn't listen it was assumed all illegal activity could be found on those calls. Moggi and the referees responded by saying that they never made or received calls from each other. This portion of the trial is still going on.
The Neapolitan magistrates responded to Moggi and the referee’s denials by producing tables showing dates, times, and numbers called throughout the season of 2004-2005. Moggi responded saying that the numbers may have been real but the calls and tables were falsified. They all continued to deny ever having called each other. Obviously no one believed them.
As a result Moggi went on national television and claimed that through various computer programs, these tables can be falsified. He was ridiculed by the panel and the public. A week later he was invited back on the show and in an attempt to discredit him they invited a telephone company technician as well.
The technician shows how easy it is through a computer to falsify a phone call. Watch as the technician has one person on the panel shut his phone off. Then he used a computer to call another panel member with the number of the phone that is off. The number of the dead pone appeared on the recipient’s phone screen. Moggi has a certain smile on his face…the crowd remained silent.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2fSAxRNGFJM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vvv3qOoUA5Y
http://youtube.com/watch?v=M6RTt5quftQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JciFOvfu7HQ
The technician actually goes on to say that through a program called “Cambia Voce” (Voice Change), that a phone call can be made from person A to person B with the voice of person C. In other words many of the phone calls presented in court may have been of other people all together. All that is needed is a recording of Moggi’s voice. The recording then duplicates tone, volume, pitch, etc. and another person can make a call with his voice. This from the mouth of a telephone technician, he claimed he would be willing to testify.
Sorry I had to laugh at that because it is very funny. The giulemadallajuve link you gave me was so useful because it told me that there are 2800 of you guys of which 265 are shareholders.
I had to get someone to interpret some of it for me as I do not read Italian.
2800 now if that was 28 million then I might just take you guys seriously but it not even just that, according to the interpreter, you guys were just talking without saying anything.
Lets just say we all here do decide to agree with you guys do you mind telling us what the hell buying Tiago for any amount of money has to do with calciopoli?
Instead of sticking to the point which is fighting what you guys perceived to be a grave injustice you are going on about not buying a champion or great player, something about juve channel which I am not sure has anything to with anything.
You guys seem to be fighting too many battles at once accusing everyone from the media to Moratti to our board of conspiring against us.
Not even Oliver Stone would have come up with this and he is way out there.
Why you are getting upset is puzzling as your cause is a good 1 if it is just but i just do not think you and your buddies have a leg to stand on thats all.
If I ask a question, you first of all answer like it is your response then you say it is not you it is the evidence
I asked do you NOT EVIDENCE OR WHATEVER think Moggi is innocent and you quite categorically said yes which you are entitled to do as it is your opinion then you go and say it not you it is what the evidence said
Am i having a conversation with evidence if I wanted to know what the evidence said i would have asked what did the evidence say but it is typical of most of your answers, i mean how many times are you pasting that SIM CARD POST?
And whats with the you will come to certain questions later? Who are you going to ask to answer certain questions? Why don't you answer straight away so we know we are dealing with a person and not a copy and paste machine?
Sometimes you quote sometimes you don't , how many people are we dealing with here?
JuveAdam and yourself seem to be having the same argument as he keeps brining up something and you somehow don't seem to recall that he brought it up at all, it just seems like we are dealing with more than 1 person.
Who is Vimto?
With all the nonsense invloving m-eleyan I am now wary of what people do on here.
I asked how come players are not protesting vehemently about the injustice of Juventus and you cite Zlatan of all people
This is the same Zlatan that was willing to sue the club if they did not release him or is that also a media invention?
Or is it also a media invention that he is at Inter, the very team , you hold responsible for our fall from grace.
So if Zlatan knows the people that causes our downfall and if he is protesting like you say he is, why is he at Inter?
Another thing , explained in last post by gsol:
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Moggi responded saying that the numbers may have been real but the calls and tables were falsified.
Meaning: He admits that he bought the SIM Cards and all denying that they ever used them or he denied that he ever bought them ?
He bought his own. He claimed he had Swiss SIM card, among others because they were convenient when travelling first of all, but because he long feared industrial espionage. He said that he grew tired of having their transfer speculation posted all over the papers long before the deals were done which hindered their barganing power. In any case, it isn't unlawful to have international SIMs...even I have them. So what?
He admitted to having one but never produced one for anyone outside of Juventus. All the others implicated stated the same thing. The numbers may have been real but the calls showed signs of being computer generated like the videos show (that is just a demonstration). Time will tell now because his civil appeal isn't over yet.
Quote:
Moggi responded saying that the numbers may have been real but the calls and tables were falsified.
Meaning: He admits that he bought the SIM Cards and all denying that they ever used them or he denied that he ever bought them ?
He bought his own. He claimed he had Swiss SIM card, among others because they were convenient when travelling first of all, but because he long feared industrial espionage. He said that he grew tired of having their transfer speculation posted all over the papers long before the deals were done which hindered their barganing power. In any case, it isn't unlawful to have international SIMs...even I have them. So what?
He admitted to having one but never produced one for anyone outside of Juventus. All the others implicated stated the same thing. The numbers may have been real but the calls showed signs of being computer generated like the videos show (that is just a demonstration). Time will tell now because his civil appeal isn't over yet.
Snoop, I have the feeling you are angry at this guy and anyone who agrees with him. Why? Did you read everything what he posted: wiretaps, declarations, trial documents, etc.??
If you did, isn´t it clear that it makes a lot of sense what he is talking about and that Moggi is maybe not a devil what he was painted, that maybe there is a conspiracy in which even our new owners took part of? It all sounds very reasonable and Gsol is very convincing. He also backs up his statements perfectly. I like his point of view, I like the efforts he made. He does know a lot about this things, more than any for us. And I am personally very angry at people like Salman and Denco for not reading his pots properly and not accepting anything they don´t want to hear. And on top of that they are abusing him. Man, I would be pissed as hell too...... all they do is trolling and ranting on about something they haven´t read one bit, unlike Gsol who is very, very knowledgeable and informed.
All the guys wants is to shed some light and information and we Juventini should be pleased with the fact that our club wasn´t cheating and that they deserved every title they fought so hard for. Isn´t that better than being labelled a cheater and mafia? Are you happy we got relegated, lost money, world class players, directors for practically nothing?
If you did, isn´t it clear that it makes a lot of sense what he is talking about and that Moggi is maybe not a devil what he was painted, that maybe there is a conspiracy in which even our new owners took part of? It all sounds very reasonable and Gsol is very convincing. He also backs up his statements perfectly. I like his point of view, I like the efforts he made. He does know a lot about this things, more than any for us. And I am personally very angry at people like Salman and Denco for not reading his pots properly and not accepting anything they don´t want to hear. And on top of that they are abusing him. Man, I would be pissed as hell too...... all they do is trolling and ranting on about something they haven´t read one bit, unlike Gsol who is very, very knowledgeable and informed.
All the guys wants is to shed some light and information and we Juventini should be pleased with the fact that our club wasn´t cheating and that they deserved every title they fought so hard for. Isn´t that better than being labelled a cheater and mafia? Are you happy we got relegated, lost money, world class players, directors for practically nothing?
Keep laughing. Those 2800 members include notable lawyers that have brought he appeal to the European Court system. Granted they talk about recent things as well but that is normal discussion. If you were a member and had access to the legal section of the page you'd see that even Platini is behind us.
"You guys seem to be fighting too many battles at once accusing everyone from the media to Moratti to our board of conspiring against us."
That's exactly what happened and you denying it is pointless. Look at who was involved and then look at all the financial ties between them and Moratti and you'd get to where most have already arrived.
"Why you are getting upset is puzzling as your cause is a good 1 if it is just but i just do not think you and your buddies have a leg to stand on thats all."
i guess a fraudulent case based on tampered evidence and an unlawful trial isn't convincing enough anymore.
"I asked do you NOT EVIDENCE OR WHATEVER think Moggi is innocent and you quite categorically said yes which you are entitled to do as it is your opinion then you go and say it not you it is what the evidence said"
I do think he was innocent, and the judges agreed with me.
"i mean how many times are you pasting that SIM CARD POST?"
however many times its asked of me
"And whats with the you will come to certain questions later? Who are you going to ask to answer certain questions? Why don't you answer straight away so we know we are dealing with a person and not a copy and paste machine?"
rather than re-writing I go back and find the response and post it again.
"Who is Vimto?"
Another guy who agrees with me.
"I asked how come players are not protesting vehemently about the injustice of Juventus and you cite Zlatan of all people"
Did you miss his quote on Italian TV. Besides, the players are in no position to protest.
"This is the same Zlatan that was willing to sue the club if they did not release him or is that also a media invention?"
and...one has nothing to do with the other.
"So if Zlatan knows the people that causes our downfall and if he is protesting like you say he is, why is he at Inter?"
Are you serious, money and the possibility of avoiding Serie B and staying in the CL
As I suspected Denco...more nothing.
"You guys seem to be fighting too many battles at once accusing everyone from the media to Moratti to our board of conspiring against us."
That's exactly what happened and you denying it is pointless. Look at who was involved and then look at all the financial ties between them and Moratti and you'd get to where most have already arrived.
"Why you are getting upset is puzzling as your cause is a good 1 if it is just but i just do not think you and your buddies have a leg to stand on thats all."
i guess a fraudulent case based on tampered evidence and an unlawful trial isn't convincing enough anymore.
"I asked do you NOT EVIDENCE OR WHATEVER think Moggi is innocent and you quite categorically said yes which you are entitled to do as it is your opinion then you go and say it not you it is what the evidence said"
I do think he was innocent, and the judges agreed with me.
"i mean how many times are you pasting that SIM CARD POST?"
however many times its asked of me
"And whats with the you will come to certain questions later? Who are you going to ask to answer certain questions? Why don't you answer straight away so we know we are dealing with a person and not a copy and paste machine?"
rather than re-writing I go back and find the response and post it again.
"Who is Vimto?"
Another guy who agrees with me.
"I asked how come players are not protesting vehemently about the injustice of Juventus and you cite Zlatan of all people"
Did you miss his quote on Italian TV. Besides, the players are in no position to protest.
"This is the same Zlatan that was willing to sue the club if they did not release him or is that also a media invention?"
and...one has nothing to do with the other.
"So if Zlatan knows the people that causes our downfall and if he is protesting like you say he is, why is he at Inter?"
Are you serious, money and the possibility of avoiding Serie B and staying in the CL
As I suspected Denco...more nothing.