This latest one seems like a storm in a teacup tbh, a bunch of random people who owe thousands of euros. Whoopie.
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I have just come across this article I wrote a few years back for a friend's blog. Some stuff a bit outdated, but it pretty much summarizes my thoughts on the matter.
"Calciopoli … what has really happened in the Spring of 2006? Where did the tsunami that was going to attempt to destroy Juventus really started?
Even today, we cannot give definite answers. But since that summer, a lot of things have happened and there are several facts to look at. Ok, I am a Juve fan but as many others did at the time, on the basis of what the newspapers were telling us, I found it difficult to defend my team. But now, every day we learn something new about that trial and the whole saga that really brings new evidence to the party.
But where do we start? Not an easy task, but I’ll try my best.
I think that the very first thing to look at is definitely the sentence of the Napoli tribunal: it’s a starting point and we can reflect on a number of things.
What are the major outcomes of the trial? What are the judges conclusions? These are the 4 key points:
1) The 2004-2005 and 2005-2006 Serie A League were not altered; no matches were fixed and no referees were corrupted. The investigation wasn’t carried out in a diligent manner (some of the phone calls used in court had been manipulated by the Carabinieri)
2) The phone SIM cards bought in Switzerland by Moggi and given by him to some referees and the referees bosses are the only evidence that “there has been an attempt to alter and condition the system although there is no evidence of match fixing”.
3) Moggi’s attitude is invasive when over the phone he tries to influence FIGC and the National team with his recurring phone calls to Carraro (then FICG President) and Lippi (Italy’s Manager at the time)
4) The fact that those phone calls and that this promiscuity which tended to make the organization a Mafia type organization were common to most Serie A teams does not absolve Luciano Moggi, hence his condemnation.
If you look at the above, the so called “motivation of sentence” which are attached to the Judge’s sentence, you probably feel like you wished you never had to deal with the Italian Judiciary system.
Basically, Moggi (not Juve, that comes out clear from the Napoli trial) has been condemned because he had some swiss phone SIM’s and he rang some people on average more then what the other Team Managers did. But let’s stay cool and look at each point.
1) This is what it’s technically known as the positive part of the motivation. The Leagues under investigation were regular. So, why on earth Juve has been stripped of two Scudetti ? And why was Inter given the 2005-2006 title? The only explanation we can give today is that Guido Rossi, the man in charge at the time, is an Inter man (he has served in Inter board for over a decade). But especially, why the FIGC isn’t stripping Inter of the title in the light of what Palazzi investigation concluded last July? Palazzi stated that Inter, through its Manager Facchetti, had the same behavior of Moggi and therefore Inter was guilty of breaching articles 1 and 6 of Italian Sports Law, the same articles supposedily breached by Juve. Fortunately for Inter, more then 5 years had elapsed since the crime was committed, so the crime wasn’t persecutable anymore. Mhh. Suspicious timing by Palazzi there who awaits 5 years and few days to rule on the case.
Let’s now look at the other conclusion: the Carabinieri did not run the investigation “diligently”. There is a bit more to that actually. Auricchio, the head investigator, is a personal friend of Baldini, who was Roma manager at the time and a friend of Tavaroli (we’ll come back to him on point 2), had already sentenced in the past for manipulating phone taps to his own advantage in other trials. So we are not talking about Mr. Moral here. Also, his testimony in court was controversial to say the least; he contradicted himself continuously and emerged as totally bias against Juventus. Some presumed “evidence”,
that has been used to condemn Moggi, has now disappeared. As we know, many phone calls, especially those involving Inter and Roma, have been neglected by our Sherlock Holmes Auricchio, a guy who stated he had no idea that Berlusconi, AC Milan owner, also owned Mediaset, Italy’s largest TV network.
2) The swiss SIM: in the light off what has emerged in a different trial, it makes sense that Moggi was using them. Infact Moratti and Inter had commissioned Tavaroli of Telecom (sponsor and co-owner of Inter) to tap Moggi’s phone, together with many others ranging from referees to other managers. It’s called industrial espionage and it’s a crime. Also, it’s a crime as far as sport is concerned and Judge De Biase, an expert in Sports Law, has declared that Moratti should get a life ban from football and Inter should be penalized. Let’s see how FIGC is going to avoid doing it this time around.
3) Point 3 is farcical. Carraro, President of FIGC, was phoning the referee’s boss Bergamo begging him to help Lazio and Moggi was considered “Invasive”?!?!? This is so laughable it’s almost unbelievable it was written in a sentence. So, as the judge conclusion was that every team manager was making these kind of phone calls, did they make a ranking of how invasive they were? Are we talking about how more Mafia-like the phone calls were ? Even a 6 years old child would understand that this makes no sense whatsoever.
4) I think we would all accept that. At one condition. If all those teams that violated article 1 and 6 were treated in the same manner! Inter included! The ridiculous thing is that although Inter were as guilty as everybody else, they were gifted a Scudetto!!!!
You might just say that my conclusions are bias too. As a matter of fact, I have found huge inspiration for the above from an article written by Oliviero Beha, leading journalist, Fiorentina fan known for his position against Juve. But he comes to the same conclusions especially about the role of media in this case. The role of some newspapers in Calciopoli, mainly Gazzetta and Corriere della Sera, are absolutely suspicious. One of the main sponsors of Calciopoli was Beppe Severgnini, one of Italy’s leading journalists and one of biggest Inter fans. A couple of years, he suddenly stopped writing and talking about football. Why so?
Draw your own conclusions. I have drawn mine.
"Calciopoli … what has really happened in the Spring of 2006? Where did the tsunami that was going to attempt to destroy Juventus really started?
Even today, we cannot give definite answers. But since that summer, a lot of things have happened and there are several facts to look at. Ok, I am a Juve fan but as many others did at the time, on the basis of what the newspapers were telling us, I found it difficult to defend my team. But now, every day we learn something new about that trial and the whole saga that really brings new evidence to the party.
But where do we start? Not an easy task, but I’ll try my best.
I think that the very first thing to look at is definitely the sentence of the Napoli tribunal: it’s a starting point and we can reflect on a number of things.
What are the major outcomes of the trial? What are the judges conclusions? These are the 4 key points:
1) The 2004-2005 and 2005-2006 Serie A League were not altered; no matches were fixed and no referees were corrupted. The investigation wasn’t carried out in a diligent manner (some of the phone calls used in court had been manipulated by the Carabinieri)
2) The phone SIM cards bought in Switzerland by Moggi and given by him to some referees and the referees bosses are the only evidence that “there has been an attempt to alter and condition the system although there is no evidence of match fixing”.
3) Moggi’s attitude is invasive when over the phone he tries to influence FIGC and the National team with his recurring phone calls to Carraro (then FICG President) and Lippi (Italy’s Manager at the time)
4) The fact that those phone calls and that this promiscuity which tended to make the organization a Mafia type organization were common to most Serie A teams does not absolve Luciano Moggi, hence his condemnation.
If you look at the above, the so called “motivation of sentence” which are attached to the Judge’s sentence, you probably feel like you wished you never had to deal with the Italian Judiciary system.
Basically, Moggi (not Juve, that comes out clear from the Napoli trial) has been condemned because he had some swiss phone SIM’s and he rang some people on average more then what the other Team Managers did. But let’s stay cool and look at each point.
1) This is what it’s technically known as the positive part of the motivation. The Leagues under investigation were regular. So, why on earth Juve has been stripped of two Scudetti ? And why was Inter given the 2005-2006 title? The only explanation we can give today is that Guido Rossi, the man in charge at the time, is an Inter man (he has served in Inter board for over a decade). But especially, why the FIGC isn’t stripping Inter of the title in the light of what Palazzi investigation concluded last July? Palazzi stated that Inter, through its Manager Facchetti, had the same behavior of Moggi and therefore Inter was guilty of breaching articles 1 and 6 of Italian Sports Law, the same articles supposedily breached by Juve. Fortunately for Inter, more then 5 years had elapsed since the crime was committed, so the crime wasn’t persecutable anymore. Mhh. Suspicious timing by Palazzi there who awaits 5 years and few days to rule on the case.
Let’s now look at the other conclusion: the Carabinieri did not run the investigation “diligently”. There is a bit more to that actually. Auricchio, the head investigator, is a personal friend of Baldini, who was Roma manager at the time and a friend of Tavaroli (we’ll come back to him on point 2), had already sentenced in the past for manipulating phone taps to his own advantage in other trials. So we are not talking about Mr. Moral here. Also, his testimony in court was controversial to say the least; he contradicted himself continuously and emerged as totally bias against Juventus. Some presumed “evidence”,
that has been used to condemn Moggi, has now disappeared. As we know, many phone calls, especially those involving Inter and Roma, have been neglected by our Sherlock Holmes Auricchio, a guy who stated he had no idea that Berlusconi, AC Milan owner, also owned Mediaset, Italy’s largest TV network.
2) The swiss SIM: in the light off what has emerged in a different trial, it makes sense that Moggi was using them. Infact Moratti and Inter had commissioned Tavaroli of Telecom (sponsor and co-owner of Inter) to tap Moggi’s phone, together with many others ranging from referees to other managers. It’s called industrial espionage and it’s a crime. Also, it’s a crime as far as sport is concerned and Judge De Biase, an expert in Sports Law, has declared that Moratti should get a life ban from football and Inter should be penalized. Let’s see how FIGC is going to avoid doing it this time around.
3) Point 3 is farcical. Carraro, President of FIGC, was phoning the referee’s boss Bergamo begging him to help Lazio and Moggi was considered “Invasive”?!?!? This is so laughable it’s almost unbelievable it was written in a sentence. So, as the judge conclusion was that every team manager was making these kind of phone calls, did they make a ranking of how invasive they were? Are we talking about how more Mafia-like the phone calls were ? Even a 6 years old child would understand that this makes no sense whatsoever.
4) I think we would all accept that. At one condition. If all those teams that violated article 1 and 6 were treated in the same manner! Inter included! The ridiculous thing is that although Inter were as guilty as everybody else, they were gifted a Scudetto!!!!
You might just say that my conclusions are bias too. As a matter of fact, I have found huge inspiration for the above from an article written by Oliviero Beha, leading journalist, Fiorentina fan known for his position against Juve. But he comes to the same conclusions especially about the role of media in this case. The role of some newspapers in Calciopoli, mainly Gazzetta and Corriere della Sera, are absolutely suspicious. One of the main sponsors of Calciopoli was Beppe Severgnini, one of Italy’s leading journalists and one of biggest Inter fans. A couple of years, he suddenly stopped writing and talking about football. Why so?
Draw your own conclusions. I have drawn mine.
what I still don't understand and still can't accept is, how come nobody took our side at that time? for the supposedly most supported club in italy, how come there was not even one person with influence ever defended us or at very least cause many others to pause and think? especially after 2006; let's even not think about upper political class, how about the ultras, the more fanatical fans throughout italy, how come nobody ever at very least caused a public protest or something like that, heck I'd want to see the so called ultras run riot on the streets for this grave injustice, I thought football is a religion in italy; or are they all just fakes ultimately? I even dare to say as far as acussing our italian fans to actually collaborated with the whole scandal, hah, let the internet record this.
well think about it, we even still getting trashed when we try to put 3 stars on our shirt back then, it's like everything they do simply easily went unopposed... I can somewhat understand if we're a small club, but no, we take pride as being the darling of the country.
so how the hell, all this time, it seem that no single italian ever defended us?
well think about it, we even still getting trashed when we try to put 3 stars on our shirt back then, it's like everything they do simply easily went unopposed... I can somewhat understand if we're a small club, but no, we take pride as being the darling of the country.
so how the hell, all this time, it seem that no single italian ever defended us?
as far as i remember, there was no time to react and defend properly. calciopoli erupted somewhere around may, the world championships were about to begin, then uefa threatened figc by excluding all italian teams from any uefa competitions if the situation wasn't solved until the start of the new cup season, so even if juve wanted an appeal and to go to a civil court, there was nothing to do. and our new board and directors weren't on the top of their game either.
what a fucked up summer it was, even with that crazy world cup.
what a fucked up summer it was, even with that crazy world cup.
From what I remember from around 2006, the general feeling among Juventus fans was not what it is today. As more and more "evidence" came out to light people were mostly accepting it. Heck, even our board accepted everything that happened without much of a fight. It was only in later years that most of said "evidence" turned out to fake or never existing. I'm guessing that's why nothing happened from our side in 2006.
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We could have fought till the end and appeal and we would have probably won but our board decided to accept everything "for the greater good of Italian football". In hindsight we should have gone to every court there is and drown Italian football in its own shit.
This is part of the reason why I hate the fact that some people support Italian clubs like merda or milan in Europe. Italian football doesn't deserve support from any Juventus fan after 2006.
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We could have fought till the end and appeal and we would have probably won but our board decided to accept everything "for the greater good of Italian football". In hindsight we should have gone to every court there is and drown Italian football in its own shit.
This is part of the reason why I hate the fact that some people support Italian clubs like merda or milan in Europe. Italian football doesn't deserve support from any Juventus fan after 2006.
Read my post again, I said after 2006, which mean after we got demoted...
So how come after we got demoted, and promoted again, and all new evidences surfaced, yet STILL NOBODY defended us, still nobody at the very least said: hey wait just a minute, something wasn't right there.
I always find it odd that we were so weak politically, even after 2006.
Not only as a club we didn't react properly but italian fans were also as guilty for not reacting properly in the following years.
If they did something, I believe at very least inter could've been stripped of those 2 scudettis.
It's pathetic that other fans run riots on ocassion due to unsatisfactory team performances and transfers; yet ours didn't do shit despite knowing 'the truth'.
So much for those so called ultras.
So how come after we got demoted, and promoted again, and all new evidences surfaced, yet STILL NOBODY defended us, still nobody at the very least said: hey wait just a minute, something wasn't right there.
I always find it odd that we were so weak politically, even after 2006.
Not only as a club we didn't react properly but italian fans were also as guilty for not reacting properly in the following years.
If they did something, I believe at very least inter could've been stripped of those 2 scudettis.
It's pathetic that other fans run riots on ocassion due to unsatisfactory team performances and transfers; yet ours didn't do shit despite knowing 'the truth'.
So much for those so called ultras.
The same thing with the politicians and influental figures
Or are you telling me, that all this time there was not a single politician or person with certain influences in italy that was a juve fan? I find that is unbelievable
How come nobody ever used that scandal to move against moratti and co, againat berlusconi and co? Etc? If random internet posters could gather those 'facts'; surely especially in a country like italy, they could be easily used against moratti and co? Yes I'm talking about how politicians work about politics.
Wiretraps stuffs are serious stuffs, they had been used for this scandal, and there are evidences that these stuffs were being used in the wrong ways, how come nobody investigated that? Legaly, politically, those are serious matters, with all those huge 'plot holes' that even internet dudes could find it, how come the parliament didn't bat an eye to that? Or are you telling me nobody in the parliament like juve? In a country like italy? Seriously? Or at very least neutral guys?
Too much weird shit in the whole case.
Or are you telling me, that all this time there was not a single politician or person with certain influences in italy that was a juve fan? I find that is unbelievable
How come nobody ever used that scandal to move against moratti and co, againat berlusconi and co? Etc? If random internet posters could gather those 'facts'; surely especially in a country like italy, they could be easily used against moratti and co? Yes I'm talking about how politicians work about politics.
Wiretraps stuffs are serious stuffs, they had been used for this scandal, and there are evidences that these stuffs were being used in the wrong ways, how come nobody investigated that? Legaly, politically, those are serious matters, with all those huge 'plot holes' that even internet dudes could find it, how come the parliament didn't bat an eye to that? Or are you telling me nobody in the parliament like juve? In a country like italy? Seriously? Or at very least neutral guys?
Too much weird shit in the whole case.
No but they should certainly have ties with the Agnellis and the Elkanns since these are gigantic families as well. Politicians should also be competing against the other politicians on Moratti's side and most certainly the likes of berlusconi.
He does have a point. The powers that be must have an insane level of influence and control or perhaps we are misunderstanding something.
He does have a point. The powers that be must have an insane level of influence and control or perhaps we are misunderstanding something.
I thought we (Juve) were fighting, last season there was a brief update that we were suing the FIGC for so-and-so figure or something of that sort, no? Maybe there's just not much coverage on what we're doing in court, but I don't think we're not doing anything because I distinctly remember there was that update last season.
Funny thing, amongst the public figures who defended us (and attacked Merde) there are people like Oliviero Beha and Mario Sconcerti who are Purple Rats fans and Juve haters whilst of the Juve linked figures I can only remember a few (Giampiero Mughini) and the one who has become a hero for us is Massimo Zampini, a Rome based lawyer and Juventus fan, who is the only one who still bring out the subject in public debates etc.
It almost seems as there is a sort of non written agreement to drop the subject amongst all those involved.
It almost seems as there is a sort of non written agreement to drop the subject amongst all those involved.
Tbh i dont mind calciopoli anymore. It was painfull then.
But now i use it to troll others, mostly my mirda brother and my arsenal friend.
Since 2006 juve managed to build new stadium,new management and new team.
We dominate italy and reach CL final and we keep dominating.
It just show what seria a worse without juve, with or without calciopoli its our destiny to dominate italy its our DNA.
So let people who keep looking for calciopli to go and fuck them selves.
But now i use it to troll others, mostly my mirda brother and my arsenal friend.
Since 2006 juve managed to build new stadium,new management and new team.
We dominate italy and reach CL final and we keep dominating.
It just show what seria a worse without juve, with or without calciopoli its our destiny to dominate italy its our DNA.
So let people who keep looking for calciopli to go and fuck them selves.