Of course not.
Some people who were in the court swore that Moggi left the court having tears.
Some people who were in the court swore that Moggi left the court having tears.
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I see your point, but whether you like him or not:
- he was the one who brought all the great players and coaches
- he was the one who made us win everything possible in the 1990's and early 2000's
- he was the ONLY one who didn't plainly accept the verdict, but charged it and dug out all the wiretaps of everyone doing the same
- he was the one crying in the dressing room according to Zlatan, not Elkan, not Agnelli, and even Zlatan the bastard defends him in his autobiography
Without Moggi, if any printerista was to talk crap to us today, we would simply have to swallow it, as we simply would never have heard of the "overlooked" wiretaps. No retaliation, no nothing from Juve management for years. Without Moggi, Juventus now wouldn't have even thought of starting an appeal or going back to the matters. They would have burried everything and we would have forever lived in infamy, branded as the sole, only corrupt villain in the world of football. All we know today is because of Moggi's efforts. And he always tried to clear Juventus along with himself. Unlike what Juve is doing now to him.
History is full with examples of people being used and discarded, he is one of them in my opinion. I respect your opinion, but for me Moggi deserves justice and he has never received it. Juve is now seen as a victim by more and more observers, if it wasn't for him, we would be the symbol of corruption all over the world. Moggi's doing, not our president's initiative. They were all so comfortable doing nothing, they couldn't care less.
Many fans might not like him for various reasons, but don't tell me he has received justice now and that he ruled the cupola, as it seems from the verdict. I have eyes and ears. I don't see Inter's and Milan's names anywhere in this verdict, this is no justice. This is a farce, nothing less.
- he was the one who brought all the great players and coaches
- he was the one who made us win everything possible in the 1990's and early 2000's
- he was the ONLY one who didn't plainly accept the verdict, but charged it and dug out all the wiretaps of everyone doing the same
- he was the one crying in the dressing room according to Zlatan, not Elkan, not Agnelli, and even Zlatan the bastard defends him in his autobiography
Without Moggi, if any printerista was to talk crap to us today, we would simply have to swallow it, as we simply would never have heard of the "overlooked" wiretaps. No retaliation, no nothing from Juve management for years. Without Moggi, Juventus now wouldn't have even thought of starting an appeal or going back to the matters. They would have burried everything and we would have forever lived in infamy, branded as the sole, only corrupt villain in the world of football. All we know today is because of Moggi's efforts. And he always tried to clear Juventus along with himself. Unlike what Juve is doing now to him.
History is full with examples of people being used and discarded, he is one of them in my opinion. I respect your opinion, but for me Moggi deserves justice and he has never received it. Juve is now seen as a victim by more and more observers, if it wasn't for him, we would be the symbol of corruption all over the world. Moggi's doing, not our president's initiative. They were all so comfortable doing nothing, they couldn't care less.
Many fans might not like him for various reasons, but don't tell me he has received justice now and that he ruled the cupola, as it seems from the verdict. I have eyes and ears. I don't see Inter's and Milan's names anywhere in this verdict, this is no justice. This is a farce, nothing less.
None of the ones that dislike/hate Moggi can give you one evidence or are even aware why Moggi was banned to be more clear. They can't convince you or me or anyone because they don't know what the fuck is going on. They're not following but they consider themselves out of the Moggi circle which to them is the cheating circle.
The thing is though - Gianni Agnelli knew how sneaky and sly Moggi was, he had him always under his control. But when Gianni died - Moggi went powermad, he did whatever he wanted to do. In Gianni's time, Gianni protected him and kept an eye on him. Now he had no protection and went batshit crazy on everyone. He made one of the strongest teams in the world - so they took him down. Had Gianni Agnelli been alive, those cunts wouldn't even get close to getting Juve accused of anything. Bunch of dickheads. Moggi still, UNO DI NOI.
Guilty is a technical word, in that case of the Italian justice system and I have no idea what it requires to be given to a person.
Do I believe Moggi did things he wasn't supposed to do? Yes, I do and there is evidence for that.
Did others do the same or worse? Yes, they did and there is evidence for that.
Does that make what Moggi did right? I am a person who believes that if others are doing something wrong then we shouldn't imitate them.
Look I am Lebanese and I have lived in Lebanon 28 years when I moved to Germany and later to Sweden, I drove a car since I was 18 and I never drove against traffic but more than 80% of the people do it occasionally and often. I simply refuse to do it. I am in Lebanon at the time being and I have rented a car, many roads have been changed and re-built and I tend to have the need to ask some people for directions. At two occasions I was asked to go against traffic for a distance to reach my destination to which I replied to be given the directions yo follow the traffic rules. I wear the seatbelt in the car because of safety precautions not because the law asks me to.
I hope you understand the analogy I am trying to give here but still people call me either an Inter fan or retarded...last night I was called a fucking cunt. Personally, I am a Juve fan as much as you and as much as the person calling me whatever names...
Do I believe Moggi did things he wasn't supposed to do? Yes, I do and there is evidence for that.
Did others do the same or worse? Yes, they did and there is evidence for that.
Does that make what Moggi did right? I am a person who believes that if others are doing something wrong then we shouldn't imitate them.
Look I am Lebanese and I have lived in Lebanon 28 years when I moved to Germany and later to Sweden, I drove a car since I was 18 and I never drove against traffic but more than 80% of the people do it occasionally and often. I simply refuse to do it. I am in Lebanon at the time being and I have rented a car, many roads have been changed and re-built and I tend to have the need to ask some people for directions. At two occasions I was asked to go against traffic for a distance to reach my destination to which I replied to be given the directions yo follow the traffic rules. I wear the seatbelt in the car because of safety precautions not because the law asks me to.
I hope you understand the analogy I am trying to give here but still people call me either an Inter fan or retarded...last night I was called a fucking cunt. Personally, I am a Juve fan as much as you and as much as the person calling me whatever names...
The gist of your answer implies that you believe Moggi is guilty. Your analogy has little relevance to the point you're trying to make.
If Moggi is guilty, then it follows that Juventus is also guilty. Although Moggi may have committed some sort of wrong, the wrong was common practice amongst all teams, not exceptional, and so, Moggi's so-called wrongdoing was used to brutally bring this entire club down in the most of heinous of ways.
That is why we all defend Moggi. Rather than the FIGC cleaning up the entire league, they found a scapegoat, Moggi and Juventus. The FIGC, and Italy as a whole, is littered with corruption. We, Juventus, club and fans, should not sit down while our name is being unjustly dragged through the mud. We are a proud club that is the epitome of success in Italian, European and even world football. We have won many titles and have had some of the most celebrated players don our jersey.
At this time, Moggi seems to be the only one interested in putting his money where his mouth is and defending this club in any manner possible.
If Moggi is guilty, then it follows that Juventus is also guilty. Although Moggi may have committed some sort of wrong, the wrong was common practice amongst all teams, not exceptional, and so, Moggi's so-called wrongdoing was used to brutally bring this entire club down in the most of heinous of ways.
That is why we all defend Moggi. Rather than the FIGC cleaning up the entire league, they found a scapegoat, Moggi and Juventus. The FIGC, and Italy as a whole, is littered with corruption. We, Juventus, club and fans, should not sit down while our name is being unjustly dragged through the mud. We are a proud club that is the epitome of success in Italian, European and even world football. We have won many titles and have had some of the most celebrated players don our jersey.
At this time, Moggi seems to be the only one interested in putting his money where his mouth is and defending this club in any manner possible.