Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (219 Viewers)

[Vlad]

Well, look how being quiet turned out for him. Banned for life in Calcio.

Of course most credit will go to him, I like the guy but face it, he was no saint. Saints couldn't surivive so long as he did in this dirty league.

You can obviously see the difference in 2006 when the whole thing erupted and two years ago when the trial in Naples started. At first he was quiet and left lawyers to do their part but as it didn't work for him because judicial system in Italy is very and I must repeat it again very political, he started making more appearance in media, newspaper, TV shows. It kind of reminds me of movie Casino if you watched it, when De Niro gets his licence revoked and than starts doing his shows just to be more recognized and familiar to regular man. If Moggi is fishy then what are Moratti, or Berlusconi?

 

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[CAPITANO]

Certain people didn't want him around anymore so why can't he take another job and show them they made a mistake letting him go

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Yet Moggi resigned as soon as it happened. As Melo said, he thought Berlusconi would bail him so he left the sinking ship thinking about his own future only.

That's bullshit. You should have a personal grudge against him to fabricate this kind of stuff. He has resigned because he knew both Montezemolo and Milano clubs wanted to remove him from football, so maybe club could have been saved.

People here should adress their hate correctly. We have a club owner who undoubtedly sold us to Moratti for personal gain.

 

[Fake Melo]

He has resigned because he knew both Montezemolo and Milano clubs wanted to remove him from football, so maybe club could have been saved.

That's another interesting theory.

 

[Fake Melo]

Didn't he say couple of weeks ago that he turned down the Berlu?

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Short summary of situation before Farsopoli

Juventus wanted to get rid of Moggi.
Milan wanted to hire Moggi.
Inter wanted to erase Juventus along with Moggi.

 

[Cheesio]

Certain people didn't want him around anymore so why can't he take another job and show them they made a mistake letting him go

Agree, he knew that the Elkanns didn't want to renew his contract.

 

[Jem83]

If it's true that Moggi was going to Milan in 2006, it actually kills the theory that John Elkann was in on Calciopoli, which was a stupid theory anyway, concocted by that fat fuck Moncalvo.

Why would John Elkann go through all that bullshit, Serie-B, huge losses, just to remove Moggi when Moggi was heading to Milan regardless?

I've always found the theory laughable, but now it appears to be even more so.

 

[Paid-off-Ref]

Agree, he knew that the Elkanns didn't want to renew his contract.

He did, he's never consistent. A typical sign of a liar.

 

[Paid-off-Ref]

If it's true that Moggi was going to Milan in 2006, it actually kills the theory that John Elkann were in on Calciopoli, which was a stupid theory anyway, concocted by that fat fuck Moncalvo.

Why would John Elkann go through all that bullshit, Serie-B, huge losses, just to remove Moggi when Moggi was heading to Milan regardless?

I've always found the theory laughable, but now it appears to be even more so.

All it really needed was CIA links.

 

[Hust]

Why would that be laughable?

 

[Jem83]

Because it's not true and because it, as a conspiracy theory, is even worse than "The moon landing was fake", "Hoffa was abducted by aliens" and "Aquilani is actually a man". It's a classic conspiracy theory. Just like all those kids who run around pointing at the "eye of providence" on the dollar bill, convinced that a secret society or the illuminati controls the world.

To think that a prominent business man like John Elkann would go through all of that (and I shall repeat: suffer huge losses) when all he really had to do was fire Moggi or just simply not renew his contract, must be considered ludicrous.

 

[Cheesio]

Because it's not true and because it, as a conspiracy theory, is even worse than "The moon landing was fake", "Hoffa was abducted by aliens" and "Aquilani is actually a man". It's a classic conspiracy theory. Just like all those kids who run around pointing at the "eye of providence" on the dollar bill, convinced that a secret society or the illuminati controls the world.

To think that a prominent business man like John Elkann would go through all of that (and I shall repeat: suffer huge losses) when all he really had to do was fire Moggi or just simply not renew his contract, must be considered ludicrous.

You think that the Juve fans would be Okk with Elkann not doing everything possible to keep Moggi.? and let him fire him ?

 

[Jem83]

You think that the Juve fans would be Okk with Elkann not doing everything possible to keep Moggi.? and let him fire him ?

Are you referring to the Ultras?

They weren't OK with selling Baggio, Zidane, Inzaghi etc. but it still happened. There have been lots of things that they weren't OK with that still happened. Like Juve not appealing the Calciopoli-verdict strongly enough for instance. I'm not saying the owners don't take into consideration what the Ultra-groups and the fans in general want, but these wishes, from the fans, count for very little when the big boys make their decisions.

There's no way that Elkann would be afraid of not renewing Moggi's contract just because of the fans. And there's no way that Elkann decided to hurt the brand of Juventus, pull the club down the drain publically and cause losses for hundreds of millions.

 

[Hust]

You think that the Juve fans would be Okk with Elkann not doing everything possible to keep Moggi.? and let him fire him ?

 

[Cheesio]

Are you referring to the Ultras?

They weren't OK with selling Baggio, Zidane, Inzaghi etc. but it still happened. There have been lots of things that they weren't OK with that still happened. Like Juve not appealing the Calciopoli-verdict strongly enough for instance. I'm not saying the owners don't take into consideration what the Ultra-groups and the fans in general want, but these wishes, from the fans, count for very little when the big boys make their decisions.

There's no way that Elkann would be afraid of not renewing Moggi's contract just because of the fans. And there's no way that Elkann decided to hurt the brand of Juventus, pull the club down the drain publically and cause losses for hundreds of millions.

But the Elkanns had little to do with Juve back then, that's why the wanted Moggi and the triade out, no way they could've fired him and saw him go sign to ac milan he was keeping the share holders happy, never asked for money and above that Juve was winning. Hard to imagine him accepting to work for Milan if he didn't knew something was cooked behind the scenes.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

To think that a prominent business man like John Elkann would go through all of that (and I shall repeat: suffer huge losses) when all he really had to do was fire Moggi or just simply not renew his contract, must be considered ludicrous.

He didn't suffer any loss. Club lost. In fact, he earned a lot from Moratti's TIM for sponsorship. And you can't just fire someone who is best at his job. People would demand explanation and eventually call him a traitor.

 

[Jem83]

You think that the Juve fans would be Okk with Elkann not doing everything possible to keep Moggi.? and let him fire him ?

Look, he's the chairman of EXOR and Fiat, he's a chairman of La Stampa, ITEDI and the Italian Aspen Institute. This, + he's a boardmember of 10 or more companies/organizations. He's an industrialist that only knows profit and growth. What Moncalvo's conspiracy theory suggests simply does not fit the pattern here. You won't see a man like John Elkann deliberately cause losses to one of his companies, especially losses as big as hundreds of millions, just to remove ONE guy.

You also write "The Elkanns had little to do with Juve back then." That's not true. After the deaths of Gianni and Umberto, Elkann became Vice Chairman of Fiat and Vice Chairman of Giovanni Agnelli e C, giving him a controlling stake in EXOR. This was as "early" as 2004.

Moggi was never "in his way". Moggi was just a sporting director for crying out loud. He was hired, the way Secco was hired and the way Marotta is hired now.

Sure, the sporting results were there, so Elkann probably couldn't have fired him, but he damn sure could, if he wanted to, decide to not renew his contract.

All I'm saying is that he didn't have to go through Serie-B and hundreds of millions in losses and a damaged reputation just to get Moggi removed. I know that Moggi had an "aura" about him, but he was never that big. He was a Juve employee.

 

[Fake Melo]

Italian Juventus fans are pussies anyways.

 

[Jem83]

He didn't suffer any loss. Club lost. In fact, he earned a lot from Moratti's TIM for sponsorship. And you can't just fire someone who is best at his job. People would demand explanation and eventually call him a traitor.

Indirect losses, because EXOR has been forced to bail Juve out ever since. EXOR wiped Juve's debt clean in 2006, close to 100 million euros, and they've been pumping money into Juve ever since. This is a scenario that would've been much better for EXOR if things had stayed the way it was with Juve, with the Tamoil-partnership and the huge TV-deal that went down the drain.