Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (52 Viewers)

Hist

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Its just that I recall something about the time frame (statute of limitations) starts to count from scratch again when something happens (Maybe appeal or something)

In business law.. the book said that if Person X is in debt to person Y and the latter never collected the money within reasonable time (after the date in the contract), He loses the money but if he took any action or if person X even sent him an e-mail promising to pay him the money.. the statute of limitation starts to count from scratch.

How do they let people who have been in prison for many many years out when DNA evidence that wasnt available at the time of the trial surfaces now?
 

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Hist

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It seems retarded that the trial could stand if not only new evidence shows up but also evidence of tempering with the old evidence to ensure an unfair trial (fraud on court). Get the law people in here!
 
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gsol

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    Does it matter? Juventus' won't be doing shit. All they are interested in is avoiding paying damages to the clubs looking for a cash grab like Brescia.

    First of all a sports tribunal is not a regular court so all the lawful arguments we can muster up won’t necessarily apply the same way.

    Second, they are refusing to acknowledge new evidence in the sporting tribunal so proving that the evidence was tampered is not even possible because it surfaced afterwards.

    Third, as stated above Juventus will not be making such challenges. This last point really seems to be the hard one to drive home. Juventus’ management does not care!
     

    Hust

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    May 29, 2005
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    Does it matter? Juventus' won't be doing shit. All they are interested in is avoiding paying damages to the clubs looking for a cash grab like Brescia.

    First of all a sports tribunal is not a regular court so all the lawful arguments we can muster up won’t necessarily apply the same way.

    Second, they are refusing to acknowledge new evidence in the sporting tribunal so proving that the evidence was tampered is not even possible because it surfaced afterwards.

    Third, as stated above Juventus will not be making such challenges. This last point really seems to be the hard one to drive home. Juventus’ management does not care!
    Why are they refusing new evidence? How CAN they refuse it? Isn't that some kind of breach of conduct/law?

    I don't see how Agnelli can't care. Ugh.
     

    The Curr

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    Feb 3, 2007
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    I don't see how Agnelli can't care. Ugh.
    There are two sides to the Agnelli family. There is Andrea Agnelli (who loved the triade) and the Elkan side (that loves Montezemolo). The Elkan side wanted to assume total control of FIAT operations (including sport) and for this reason there was an internal struggle at Juventus for the last 5 years or so. I remember reading about it when I lived there so it was a while back. We all knew the Agnelli’s were no longer supporting Juventus financially because they didn’t hide it at all.

    To assume control the Elkan side needed to get rid of Moggi and Giraudo because they had control of the team’s business affairs. Not only that, but the Triade was loved by the fans and had a secure position within Juventus’ shareholders. Not to mention that if they fired the Triade they would just wind up working for Inter or Milan…I’m sure you remember both teams trying to recruit them, (Galliani admitted it and Moggi went on TV with the written contract signed by Moratti and later Moggi obviously refused). They needed Moggi and Giraudo out of soccer all together. That meant they needed them suspended.

    Proof 1)
    In the weeks prior to the scandal, the Milan Stock Exchange registered 4 times the average transactions of Juventus’ shares. After the Italian Revenue Agency (Guardia di Finanza) concluded their investigations they noted that Special Shares were sold to hand picked (new) shareholders. These new shareholders increased the number of voters on Juventus’ shareholders panel and as a result reduced the voting power of the two biggest (individual) shareholders which were Antonio Giraudo and Luciano Moggi. This ensured that if the two refused to step down, the shareholders on the Elkan side (now outnumbering the Andrea Agnelli side) could easily vote out Moggi and Giraudo. The two didn’t even put up a fight and decided to resign rather than be humiliated further after being voted out.

    Proof 2)
    FIAT and its holding company IFIL did not defend Giraudo and Moggi who had to find their own lawyers. To “defend” Juventus they used FIAT lawyer Zaccone who did pretty much nothing. He was quoted numerous times stating that things “could have gone worse (Serie C) given the evidence” (speech at the Juventus Shareholders Assembly on October 26th 2006). Now that we have the evidence and questioned him on what could have sent Juventus to Serie C, he has opted to remain silent. Zaccone only woke up and defended Juventus after the other squads had their sentence reduced and were all in Serie A (one even in he CL) except Juventus. At that point Juventus decided to appeal to the Civil Court of Lazio (TAR Appeal which I can provide for anyone interested). It seemed almost as if they (Elkan group) had been betrayed by the court. Maybe Serie B with 30 points (and then 17) was not what they had agreed to. The TAR appeal was created with a fury and deposited in court. On the 31st of August Zaccone retreated and withdrew the Appeal. Weeks later Juventus’ sentence was reduced to Serie B with -9 points. No further action was ever taken. In an interview in Tuttisport on the 4th of October former Constitutional Court President Antonio Baldassarre claimed “had Juventus proceeded with their appeal in civil court, they would have likely won and as a result crushed the system that currently controls soccer in our country.” So why did they withdraw hours before standing trial?

    Proof 3)
    Zaccone and Cobolli Gigli stated that the pressure of the public blame that would result due to the Italian tournaments being suspended by FIFA & UEFA (including Euro qualifiers) as a result of their appeal forced certain upper management figures to change their minds at Juventus and FIAT. Who though? Who put pressure on Zaccone and Gigli (who had finally woken up) to withdraw? Sports Minister Melandri may have answered that question for us after publically thanking Luca Cordero di Montezemolo (Elkan’s right arm) after Juventus’ withdrawal from the Civil Courts. Montezemolo is a FIAT Director and more importantly the President of Ferrari SpA. During the Calciopoli trial a woman by the name of Caterina Platea (who worked with the wire transcripts under Investigator Adamo Bove) confessed not only to manipulating and destroying wire transcripts for Bove (who committed suicide two weeks after the confession) also made another shocking revelation. Montezemolo was frequently at Telecom Italia where she was intercepting calls. She admitted to seeing him coming out of the offices of Tronchetti Provera and Massimo Moratti. Why would they be meeting? We got the motive recently when Telecom Italia sponsored Ferrari SpA for millions of Euros, the same Telecom Italia that spied on Juventus and is owned by Tronchetti (also owner of Inter’s biggest sponsor Pirelli tires and the FIGC/Lega’s biggest sponsor TIM).

    Fact: All Juventus personnel are now part of the Elkan side of the Agnelli family (note Tardelli and Bettega of the Triade side were let go or didn’t have their contracts renewed).
    - Secco (IFIL Director)
    - Cobolli Gigli (former FIAT Manager)
    - Blanc (IFIL Director)

    A popular theory amongst Juventini is that FIAT intend on offloading Juventus and cashing in on the sale of the team now that they own more than 60% of the team’s shares and control the team entirely. It is expected that if Juventus qualify for the Champion’s League that the team will be put to market. One of the bigger signs was the Elkan family’s 104.5 million Euro investment into the team which should have gone to player signings and salaries. It was instead used to pay off debts that resulted from their relegation (75 million) and finance the stadium that Juventus own (Delle Alpi for 20 million). Very little (less than 10 million) was used to purchase players. Most player signings this year were actually paid for with the sales of prior and current players. The decision is logical. After all, it’s easier to sell a team with fewer quality players and good books than a team with stars on the bench and debts in the bank with a busted stadium to fix. If sold FIAT could finally focus on and invest greatly in the team that has always been their priority…Ferrari. One team was sacrificed (and is still being sacrificed) for the other.

    We may not have all the answers yet…but what we do know points in the direction of an inside job, a betrayal, and a compromise between the Telecom Teamsters (Moratti-Tronchetti-Rossi) and the FIAT bosses (Elkan-Montezemolo).
     

    .zero

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    Moratti 'won't consider' revocation

    Massimo Moratti will “not even consider the possibility” of Inter seeing their 2006 Scudetto revoked.
    Juventus have made a formal appeal to have the 2006 Serie A title either given to them or simply left unassigned.

    Both the 2004-05 and 2005-06 seasons were won by Juve, but stripped in the Calciopoli scandal.

    The Bianconeri claim new evidence has come to light in the recent civil trial that suggests Inter also attempted to influence referees.

    According to La Stampa newspaper, Moratti has set out plans to give up the Presidency of Inter and hand the reins to his son if the 2006 title is revoked.

    “I will not even consider the possibility of such a thing happening,” he replied.

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    http://www.football-italia.net/jun29v.html
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